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@arda ok cool. not a major issue. Any plans for stereo processing?
I assume you are using GigFast Lite for saturation on a stereo bus. Our current signal flow might not be the best scenario for preserving stereo image. We are not going to process two input signals separetely unless we do offer 2 amps simultaneously in the same preset. Maybe we will discuss this internally to support but not planned in the first place.
@ArteraDSP yep that’s my plan Stereo Bus / Master Bus / Aux Bus stereo processing using saturation etc.
2 amps in same preset with option to link controls. If can’t do, no problem. NAM are planning and testing Stereo for iOS.
Please consider being in touch with either the AUM or Loopy Pro developer about the cause of the issue. (It is likely the same underlying issue). It is a very valuable feature from a user perspective to be able to store presets and be able to recall them in a host. Particularly in Loopy Pro where it vastly simplifies co-ordinating presets of all the effects in use. My understanding is that when preset saving like this doesn’t work, it is usually a fairly simple fix.
Btw, the OS itself has a mechanism for storing presets so that that they are visible to the host.
We will solve it for sure. Thank you.
That’s great news!
I travelled 12 hours back in time and had to get over terrible jet lag to pick up the guitar again. I was finally able to try the free demo for about an hour, and I do think it has a serious chance of being the best on iOS. Before playing a single note I set the app at 96kHz 128 buffer (my preferred setting) and turned off the noise gate (I hate noise gate). Starting with the default preset I was amazed, then for about 30 minutes I was confused and even frustrated, but after figuring out the app I was left amazed.
Before I get into details, a general note. The playing feel of this app, touch sensitivity, clarity, openness, decay, articulation, it’s all really amazing. It might be the most realistic I’ve ever played on iOS. The speaker cab sounds full, up close, and present, uncompressed, I can hear my own guitar in the sound, the articulation and clarity of the strings is extremely real. So at its core it really doesn’t sound processed or digital, nor distant. My ears pictured a real speaker cab 5-10 feet away, rather than a recording or some sort of rock arena sound stage. This is why at its core implementation the app could be the best.
Now the details. After the first preset I started navigating the app and was confused. I don’t think I like how the presets are implemented because while inside the preset you can still change the amp model. Since there aren’t titles next to some of the modules, I didn’t even know those were different amps. Changing the amp model made the preset pointless, and it seems like you have to make your own preset from a pre-existing preset rather than a “from scratch” option. Confusing, and the aesterisk signifying deviation from preset is not enough. So I would suggest a “Live” mode and a “Preset” mode. In Preset mode the amp model should be locked in, if not some of the other modules too. It’s just a suggestion.
The channels a/b/c are also confusing because it really just seems like each channel offers different amounts of gain or clean gain. What I mean is, if I’m on channel C on a high gain preset, turning down the gain doesn’t sound good, the amp sounds anemic. But if I’m on channel A/B turning up the gain offers lots of clean gain and you can get a great full clean sound with lots of headroom. when I was using the B-100 or S-100 amps, (Friedman and Soldano I’m assuming), switching them to channel A/B and turning up the gain yielded the best cleans. Much better than the other two amps (Fender and Vox I’m assuming). And obviously some of these amps are single channel or two channel amps, so saying 3-channel a/b/c is confusing. It seems like across all the models, you want channel C to stay higher gain, and you use Channel A/B for clean gain with headroom. I was amazed by the F-100 and S-100 amps in higher gain, but even more amazed by them in channel A/B with the gain turned up for big cleans. I wasn’t able to get a sound I liked from the Fender/Vox amps, but I’ll just need to give it more time.
I preferred to have the noise gate, OD, and reverb modules all off, because that’s how I prefer to test the amps. So I have no opinion on them. Sometimes I didn’t realize I was hearing the OD module so I kept turning it off. I can see it being useful as a boost maybe, but since the amps all have so much range and can be toggled via midi, I may prefer to use just the amps and not the effects. I didn’t see a description in the manual of the OD or Reverb, and if they were captured or modeled after anything.
All of the above is just me negotiating the app and after adjustments I was able to get incredible results. I do want to address the cab/ir loader though. It’s confusing to have low/high knobs in the cab section set differently across different presets. I wish the default across all presets could be fully ccw, aka unaltered. But let’s just forget the presets, I’m not judging an app based on presets alone.
I opened the app inside AUM, and Imported my own IR into the cab loader. Low/High off and Level at noon (default). Then I bypassed it and loaded the exact same IR into Thafknar, and volume matched them (Thafknar gain slider at .4). It’s really close, but it sounded better with Thafknar (no adjustments in the app except volume matching).
With Thafknar there was more bottom end and more top end, and therefore slightly more clarity. Using the exact same IR inside GigFast’s own cab module, there was more mids and it had slightly less focus and slightly more compression. I’m not exactly sure what I’m hearing, but I definitely hear more bottom and top end clarity with Thafknar. It’s not drastic, the difference is very minor. But the question is, is GigFast giving us the raw IR as it’s loaded, or is there some pre-eq adjusting going on in the module, or is Thafknar enhancing something or is it giving us the more unprocessed version of the IR. It would be great for other players to test the same IR this way and weigh in. Because I have not been able to quit Thafknar, not with Nembrini and not with Overloud.
I would still use all the FX in Overloud, especially the stereo fx, but the amps in GigFast sounded fuller, more present, and less compressed. And as I said, the feel, touch sensitivity, and string clarity in GigFast might be the best we’ve had so far. I haven’t messed with Tonex and don’t really intend to, the UI and connectivity issues are just off-putting. I do want to buy the little Tonex one pedal though, to have stompbox captures on my actual hardware pedal board…
If GigFast is an indication of where guitar amp modeling/capturing is going (Neural/NAM), then I am so amazed and impressed by the core sound and feel. The GigFast UI is clean and simple. I think this could surpass the th-u rigs and the Nembrinis.
@JoyceRoadStudios Welcome back! I was sure you’d like this app. It’s the only one I’m using now.
That was a great and informative review to read. Thanks a lot.
Regarding the amp channels, we did not want to change the UX for both factory amps and NAM slots. So, if the amp has 2 channels in real life, the 3rd channel is the same as the second channel with more gain as the default setting. Since it is not sharing EQ, it will still be quite useful for the end user to have flexibility with the gain range even with a single preset and one amp.
For modern amps with 3 channels or similar, each channel is included. To get more mileage from a highly saturated 3rd channel, we recommend keeping the audio interface input gain at a minimum. Please check out our manual.
https://arteradsp.com/support/
Regarding presets, your comments are well noted, and we will discuss internally about locking some settings as you have suggested. Thanks again.
Lastly, our IR loader section has no secret sauce or filtering to alter imported IRs. However, I cannot say Thafknar is doing something like that without testing it ourselves. If you share your IR with our support email, we will definitely test and diagnose it.
Wishing you all a great week.
Emrah
Greetings,
Here is a how to themed video for importing NAM models and IRs.
I use the GigFast plugin in Logic Pro for iPad. If I leave Logic open but stop using it for awhile, GigFast has to be reloaded in order to work again. This doesn’t happen with other plugins. @ArteraDSP please investigate…
We are checking thank you.
You’re back from Taiwan and can finally pick up a strat!
I’m glad you like this new Guitar Modeler because I’m tapped out on:
I remember when ToneStack, ToneBridge and Amplitiube seemed like everything you’d even need. But I have taken this journey with you thus far and will continue to track your levels of bliss.
NOTE: @flo has declared his love for Tonex but he’s very cautious and tends to lag you by about 2 months.
It’s also really great to see a developer participate in this forum as a conversation and not just a public notice board. I hope we can sustain a civil discourse, @ArteraDSP.
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@ArteraDSP . I've noticed that some presets "leak" a very low frequency square wave when the cabinet model is turned off. It seems to depend especially on the Bass and Presence controls, but not in a consistent fashion. The period of the wave appears to be about 2.5 seconds, so 0.4 Hz (audio 44.1 kHz, buffer 512). For the example below (preset A15, channel C), I just loaded the preset and turned the cab off. I could not get the scope (auScope X) to trigger at a slow enough sweep to show the full wave. The meters show the level of this wave. This should not be a problem, but does not seem right, somehow.
Thank you for letting us know. This was a known issue with NAM, which has been fixed in the original NAM plugin. However, we didn't notice it in GigFast Lite. We've made a quick fix, and it will be released in the next version in a day or two. See https://github.com/sdatkinson/NeuralAmpModelerPlugin/issues/271 for more details about the issue.
Could somebody clarify what the app being ‘available to use for free’ means ? Thanks !
Sure
Thanks @ninobeatz 👍
I’m continually impressed with GigFast, I’m able to get really great cleans from Channels A/B of F-002 and S-100. B-100 and S-100 are also great on Channels C for higher gain. I think within these three amps are some of the best tones and feels available on iOS. Parametric capture and feel set this thing apart from the rest, and I love the cascading content of the decays as they sound the most realistic to me. I’m not using the OD, Reverb, or Noise gate modules, at all. I haven’t found the sweet spot yet on the V-036 amp.
I still think my IRs sound slightly better through Thafknar than through GigGast’s own module. I’m using Ownahmmer IRs, and it doesn’t really matter which ones since using any IR would be a good test. Here’s what I assume is the “default” setting in Thafknar. I only adjust the gain from 1.0 to .3 or .4 to volume match.
Our Artist Relations Manager Mr. Firat OZ is back with serious Death Metal riffs, using GigFast Lite in a dense mix with no post processing. We are happy to announce upcoming free fx update that will include features and fx requested by users is coming soon!
This is fixed with the new update. Thanks again for letting us know.
I notice that the update (1.2) has removed the free use of the factory presets. Purchase now seems to be required for any use, same as the original release.
You are correct, we have tried various onboarding options and decided to use the first version.
Great demo of GigFast by Mr. Leon Todd! Free update with two new amps, tuner, wah, delay and modulation is on the way!
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No offense Joe grant but i encouraged you strongly to check out GigFast in my replies
(Maybe im on ignore for him?)
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