XP4N: I made a (photography) thing!

Luxthor

@brambos said:
Yes, that does look good (and that bar-shot is really nice! ).

It seems to be a creative choice made in the darkroom process to some extent, as many other shots posted online do have this pronounced teal/green cast caused by the tungsten compensation (and other yet again are more biased towards blue, which I suspect is mostly done in post processing).

I'll tinker to see if I can find a good middle ground without losing the original personality

It’s a freaking challenge, but it’s worth the try. Because in the end it will be a fine algorithmic alteration to the image. Dynamically sensitive, not just preset. A camera app worthy of your time. 🤗

dblonde

@dendy said:
I am simple man. I see new BramBos app, i click buy.

Love it .. simple to use. My primary app for gear photos from now !

Nice photo and nice box of tricks. What are they?

dendy

@dblonde said:

@dendy said:
I am simple man. I see new BramBos app, i click buy.

Love it .. simple to use. My primary app for gear photos from now !

Nice photo and nice box of tricks. What are they?

Elektron Digitakt 2, Digitone and Dirtywave M8

lasselu

@Luxthor said:
The only other request I have is a larger or better designed mode dial. Icons are too small, and when you accidentally change them, there is no other indication in which mode you actually are.

Yeah, I second that...great app though Bram!

richardyot

@brambos one (perhaps) easier feature request: would it be possible to trigger the shutter with the volume up button, like in the phone camera? That gesture is hardwired into my brain and I always forget I need to tap the shutter button instead.

brambos

@richardyot said:
@brambos one (perhaps) easier feature request: would it be possible to trigger the shutter with the volume up button, like in the phone camera? That gesture is hardwired into my brain and I always forget I need to tap the shutter button instead.

Let me check if I can get access to that. It may be that Apple shields that from us third party developers, but that should be easy to find out!

yellow_eyez

Congratulations @brambos
(I recommended it to a friend right away )

NeuM

@brambos said:

@johnfromberkeley said:

@brambos said:
So I decided to make an app that gets me as close as possible to the experience.

How did you achieve the emulation? Was it purely a qualitative aesthetic interpretation that you coded?

Yes, I've analysed a ton of images for each film mode and distilled an "average" (you can't exactly 100% derive the film character from looking at photos, because every darkroom process is slightly different, and every camera/lens adds its own personality - not to mention all the photoshop/lightroom business done after scanning).

But you can tell sensitivity to colors/color shifts, vibrance, how the highlights and shadows respond, contrast behavior etc. And I've just been scanning dozens of boxes of slide film from the family archive, so I have the whole "70s/80s film softness" burned on my retina lately

I then recreated the desired look as a preset in Affinity Photo. Last step: recreate all the Affinity manipulations/filters/effects in my app ( <-- that actually took a bit of time )

Are you familiar with "style transfer"? This is something that is quite common now in generative imagery. If you go to a generative art site like Krea.ai you can see it in action if you create a free account there. The "A.I." analyzes stylistic uniqueness about an image and then can apply those unique traits to other images. Perhaps this would even work for the subtle effect you get with your photo app. I wonder if a compact version of this sort of thing would be possible with a photo app?

sch

My current wish list:

1 Ability to use use the wide angle lens.
2 Shutter release via Vol Up.
3 Exposure compensation (too bright😎).
4 Save a cropped RAW file for PP.

brambos

@sch said:
My current wish list:

1 Ability to use use the wide angle lens.
2 Shutter release via Vol Up.
3 Exposure compensation (too bright😎).
4 Save a cropped RAW file for PP.

You can already use the ultra wide angle since yesterday’s update. Go to the settings app and choose “prefer ultra wide lens”.

dwell

@lasselu said:

@Luxthor said:
The only other request I have is a larger or better designed mode dial. Icons are too small, and when you accidentally change them, there is no other indication in which mode you actually are.

Yeah, I second that...great app though Bram!

I vote for this too. The rest is perfect.
👌🏼

brambos

It seems triggering using the Volume button is only possible using private APIs - which usually gets your app rejected because only Apple are allowed to use those

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi it seems.

richardyot

@brambos said:
It seems triggering using the Volume button is only possible using private APIs - which usually gets your app rejected because only Apple are allowed to use those

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi it seems.

No worries - thanks for checking 👍

klownshed

@brambos said:
It seems triggering using the Volume button is only possible using private APIs - which usually gets your app rejected because only Apple are allowed to use those

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi it seems.

Does that also apply to the iPhone 15’s action button?

sch

I’m noticing that the app can get off-balance and invert the screen image. It can be very difficult to get it back to a right-side-up orientation.

Also, I’m seeing intermittent behaviour of the film selection button being unresponsive.

(I’ve got two ‘camera cases’, eg. SmallRig etc that are patiently waiting for Bluetooth connectivity for Vol Up shutter release. I can’t think of a single camera app that doesn’t already have this.) 👍🏻

brambos

@sch said:
(I’ve got two ‘camera cases’, eg. SmallRig etc that are patiently waiting for Bluetooth connectivity for Vol Up shutter release. I can’t think of a single camera app that doesn’t already have this.) 👍🏻

You can think of one now.

Seriously though. I can't find how to get access to the volume controls in a way that will not get the app rejected by Apple. I can't find any legal API access to them (but I haven’t given up yet).

sch

@brambos said:
You can think of one now.

Touché!

At 75, my hands are better with a tactile button than trying to juggle an on-screen one! 😂

PapaBPoppin

@sch said:

@brambos said:
You can think of one now.

Touché!

At 75, my hands are better with a tactile button than trying to juggle an on-screen one! 😂

Turning 44 in a week

So very much same xD

(However, this will not stop me from using the app in the least. I only have an iPad so it's got the weird jank sizing issues on screen.... And this is still my favorite camera appbice used so far, simply for the quick quality pics it's producing.... Going to use a combo of this and Imaginandos VS plugin for a video of the song I've been working on! First attempt at this and VERY excited... Especially since seeing the little testing pics I've done. As soon as I get an iPhone, this will be a VERY regularly used app. Will be using it on iPad til then.... I just gotta remember to grab the pad instead of my android when I want to snap a pic xD)

Luxthor

@brambos said:
It seems triggering using the Volume button is only possible using private APIs - which usually gets your app rejected because only Apple are allowed to use those

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi it seems.

I’ve tested the new update with a wide lens. Greens are fantastic now, but you did kill the red in the daylight, as you said. I hope people on the forum will be happy now. I certainly won't. 😌

High contrast example, during the day. Red fringing and blooming were eliminated entirely.

NeuM

@brambos said:
It seems triggering using the Volume button is only possible using private APIs - which usually gets your app rejected because only Apple are allowed to use those

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi it seems.

According to the latest rumors, the newest iPhones (which will be announced on the 9th) will have a dedicated shutter/camera button.

Luxthor

@dwell said:

@lasselu said:

@Luxthor said:
The only other request I have is a larger or better designed mode dial. Icons are too small, and when you accidentally change them, there is no other indication in which mode you actually are.

Yeah, I second that...great app though Bram!

I vote for this too. The rest is perfect.
👌🏼

This is how I use my iPhone to take pictures, accidentally pressing the XP4N mode dial more than I should. 

brambos

I’ll keep digging to figure out how to use the volume buttons. If others get away with it, it should be possible/allowed.

Robin2

@Luxthor said:

@brambos said:
It seems triggering using the Volume button is only possible using private APIs - which usually gets your app rejected because only Apple are allowed to use those

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi it seems.

I’ve tested the new update with a wide lens. Greens are fantastic now, but you did kill the red in the daylight, as you said. I hope people on the forum will be happy now. I certainly won't. 😌

High contrast example, during the day. Red fringing and blooming were eliminated entirely.

It’s not about who’s happy and who isn’t, surely, it’s just about what is the closest emulation of the actual behaviour of the film stock in question.

Tarekith

After music making, photography is my favorite pastime so I really appreciate this. Excellent work, always wanted to play with an Xpan myself as well. I bet someone like Thomas Heaton on YouTube would be really into this and generate more interest (he uses an Xpan), might be worth reaching out to him!

Luxthor

@Robin2 said:
It’s not about who’s happy and who isn’t, surely, it’s just about what is the closest emulation of the actual behaviour of the film stock in question.

It’s my personal preference, I agree with change, and everything is fine. 👍 But what you wrote looks like you wanted that change but were not exactly happy about it, or I’m wrong.

I still need one night walk to test the new patch. I can’t wait to see the result.

Bietfriek

@brambos said:
I’ll keep digging to figure out how to use the volume buttons. If others get away with it, it should be possible/allowed.

I once made a Shortcut action that used the volume buttons to get some sort of switch. To make this work the app need to work with Apple shortcuts. When the app would support Shortcuts, users with an extra Action button, could use that to trigger the app?

dendy

@SinghSong said:
Come on @brambos give us a shutter sound worthy of your background…and perhaps an optional Hasselblad XPAN shutter sound🤞

+1000 !

Tarekith

I was just coming here to ask if we could have the option to use the volume buttons. The current orientation always feels upside down to me. 😁

brambos

@Tarekith said:
I was just coming here to ask if we could have the option to use the volume buttons. The current orientation always feels upside down to me. 😁

I’m fixing both as I type this. I found a seemingly “accepted by Apple” way to intercept the volume buttons and I am compensating the photo output when you flip the camera to the other side (I.e. rotate the app).

Robin2

@Luxthor said:

@Robin2 said:
It’s not about who’s happy and who isn’t, surely, it’s just about what is the closest emulation of the actual behaviour of the film stock in question.

It’s my personal preference, I agree with change, and everything is fine. 👍 But what you wrote looks like you wanted that change but were not exactly happy about it, or I’m wrong.

I still need one night walk to test the new patch. I can’t wait to see the result.

No, no, you’re wrong. I simply asked Bram whether the effect was that pronounced on the actual film stock. I personally didn’t think it looked very good in daylight shots before but that wasn’t a request for a change - if the answer had come back that that’s how the actual film behaved then it absolutely should have stayed like that. Personally, i think the results look much better now but that’s also irrelevant; the important thing is that it is now a better emulation of the actual film stock.

Anyway, it’s all good. Cheers.