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XP4N: I made a (photography) thing!

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  • PapaBPoppinPapaBPoppin

    Wow! This thing is stunning! Downside, I only have an iPad, so can't use this to take pictures of my recording setup (as it's all iPad based)!

    However, this beast doesn't take a bad picture! (after randomly snapping pics around the room to test the filters

    Hella impressive! Can't wait to get my mitts on an iPhone! This will probably be getting a lot of use (even w/o the iPhone)

  • eylvyeylvy

  • LuxthorLuxthor

    @brambos said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @brambos, is the effect really that pronounced on the film stock being emulated?

    Usually not so pronounced on daytime shots. That's why I've made it the "night time" mode, where it's typically very pronounced.

    I have on my list of things to figure out if I can "detect" whether something is shot in daylight or in brightly lit indoor environments. I'll probably have to make it depend on shutter speeds.

    That would be a terrible idea to “detect” artist freedom and cancel it. 🤦‍♂️😂 If you ever implement this feature, you will ruin this mode.

    I deliberately used night mode in the middle of the day when contrast is high to fish for some good dramatic effect. And yes, I will continue to use it in the way it is not intended as everything in art.

    You have a good minimalistic XPAN simulator, it should stay as it is. 

  • brambosbrambos

    @Luxthor said:

    @brambos said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @brambos, is the effect really that pronounced on the film stock being emulated?

    Usually not so pronounced on daytime shots. That's why I've made it the "night time" mode, where it's typically very pronounced.

    I have on my list of things to figure out if I can "detect" whether something is shot in daylight or in brightly lit indoor environments. I'll probably have to make it depend on shutter speeds.

    That would be a terrible idea to “detect” artist freedom and cancel it. 🤦‍♂️😂 If you ever implement this feature, you will ruin this mode.

    I deliberately used night mode in the middle of the day when contrast is high to fish for some good dramatic effect. And yes, I will continue to use it in the way it is not intended as everything in art.

    You have a good minimalistic XPAN simulator, it should stay as it is. 

    I will certainly not disable it! Just make it behave more naturally - like the film it was based on - when pushed in daylight.

    Here's an example test of a high-contrast daylight shot... The effect is still there, it just looks less artificial under bright daylight conditions :)

  • wimwim

    That looks really good. It seems like a worthy refinement.

    I'm glad you're so good at filtering feature requests and sticking to your original vision. I mean, artistic types have every filter and editing tool available to them to refine (or abuse) the results anyway.

  • LuxthorLuxthor

    @brambos said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @brambos said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @brambos, is the effect really that pronounced on the film stock being emulated?

    Usually not so pronounced on daytime shots. That's why I've made it the "night time" mode, where it's typically very pronounced.

    I have on my list of things to figure out if I can "detect" whether something is shot in daylight or in brightly lit indoor environments. I'll probably have to make it depend on shutter speeds.

    That would be a terrible idea to “detect” artist freedom and cancel it. 🤦‍♂️😂 If you ever implement this feature, you will ruin this mode.

    I deliberately used night mode in the middle of the day when contrast is high to fish for some good dramatic effect. And yes, I will continue to use it in the way it is not intended as everything in art.

    You have a good minimalistic XPAN simulator, it should stay as it is. 

    I will certainly not disable it! Just make it behave more naturally - like the film it was based on - when pushed in daylight.

    Here's an example test of a high-contrast daylight shot... The effect is still there, it just looks less artificial under bright daylight conditions :)

    I know, now it’s just a bloom, not a red burst, and it’s still artificial. I was afraid the camera would automatically change night to day mode. 🫣 I will accept whatever changes you make towards your main idea, and I’m glad that my photos helped you in this direction. 🫶

  • Robin2Robin2

    @brambos said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @brambos said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @brambos, is the effect really that pronounced on the film stock being emulated?

    Usually not so pronounced on daytime shots. That's why I've made it the "night time" mode, where it's typically very pronounced.

    I have on my list of things to figure out if I can "detect" whether something is shot in daylight or in brightly lit indoor environments. I'll probably have to make it depend on shutter speeds.

    That would be a terrible idea to “detect” artist freedom and cancel it. 🤦‍♂️😂 If you ever implement this feature, you will ruin this mode.

    I deliberately used night mode in the middle of the day when contrast is high to fish for some good dramatic effect. And yes, I will continue to use it in the way it is not intended as everything in art.

    You have a good minimalistic XPAN simulator, it should stay as it is. 

    I will certainly not disable it! Just make it behave more naturally - like the film it was based on - when pushed in daylight.

    Here's an example test of a high-contrast daylight shot... The effect is still there, it just looks less artificial under bright daylight conditions :)

    This looks much better @brambos. No idea how it compares to the original film stock in daylight, but hopefully very similar.

  • LuxthorLuxthor

    Night walk with night mode:


    Night walk with balanced mode:


  • maxwellhousermaxwellhouser
    edited September 5

    Love this app! Our Hallway:

  • SvetlovskaSvetlovska
    edited September 4

    Sorry folks. Some kind of weird multi post glitch just occurred. Was just going to observe how the effect creates instant horror movie vibes for me. The hallway looks like something from The Shining.

  • auxmuxauxmux

    Congrats! Very cool app. I'll get to support but don't have an iPhone though use Mac and iPad everywhere. Wish for Android app one day. :)

  • reezyglereezygle

    @brambos

    Incredible! I hope you make more money from it than all the great music apps you’ve given us, combined. You deserve it.

    It’s one article/photography influencer video away from going viral.

  • reasOnereasOne

    Awesome app! I have been using pearla for photos a lot, and a couple other apps.
    This is a Classic camera and your app is great! Can’t wait to go outside and get a bunch a shots with it! Nice work and nice release!

  • johnfromberkeleyjohnfromberkeley

    @brambos said:
    So I decided to make an app that gets me as close as possible to the experience.

    How did you achieve the emulation? Was it purely a qualitative aesthetic interpretation that you coded?

  • dendydendy
    edited September 5

    @Luxthor said:

    Rijeka, King's Caffe pub ??

  • brambosbrambos

    @johnfromberkeley said:

    @brambos said:
    So I decided to make an app that gets me as close as possible to the experience.

    How did you achieve the emulation? Was it purely a qualitative aesthetic interpretation that you coded?

    Yes, I've analysed a ton of images for each film mode and distilled an "average" (you can't exactly 100% derive the film character from looking at photos, because every darkroom process is slightly different, and every camera/lens adds its own personality - not to mention all the photoshop/lightroom business done after scanning).

    But you can tell sensitivity to colors/color shifts, vibrance, how the highlights and shadows respond, contrast behavior etc. And I've just been scanning dozens of boxes of slide film from the family archive, so I have the whole "70s/80s film softness" burned on my retina lately :D

    I then recreated the desired look as a preset in Affinity Photo. Last step: recreate all the Affinity manipulations/filters/effects in my app ( <-- that actually took a bit of time ;) )

  • dendydendy

    @brambos would be possible to add feature where you can pick existing photo from library and just process it through your app's filters and save it as new ?

  • johnfromberkeleyjohnfromberkeley

    @brambos said:

    @johnfromberkeley said:

    @brambos said:
    So I decided to make an app that gets me as close as possible to the experience.

    How did you achieve the emulation? Was it purely a qualitative aesthetic interpretation that you coded?

    Yes, I've analysed a ton of images for each film mode and distilled an "average" (you can't exactly 100% derive the film character from looking at photos, because every darkroom process is slightly different, and every camera/lens adds its own personality - not to mention all the photoshop/lightroom business done after scanning).

    But you can tell sensitivity to colors/color shifts, vibrance, how the highlights and shadows respond, contrast behavior etc. And I've just been scanning dozens of boxes of slide film from the family archive, so I have the whole "70s/80s film softness" burned on my retina lately :D

    I then recreated the desired look as a preset in Affinity Photo. Last step: recreate all the Affinity manipulations/filters/effects in my app ( <-- that actually took a bit of time ;) )

    Oh, wow, cool process. So, it sounds like your own approximation of the aesthetic, which is good enough for me! Purchased. I’d also love to have thos presets. I really dig affinity

  • LuxthorLuxthor

    @dendy said:
    Rijeka, King's Caffe pub ??

    Nope, it was wine bar “Zajc”, which is the name of our famous composer. Theatre has the same name.

  • dendydendy
    edited September 5

    @Luxthor said:

    @dendy said:
    Rijeka, King's Caffe pub ??

    Nope, it was wine bar “Zajc”, which is the name of our famous composer. Theatre has the same name.

    I think this is it, King's Caffe is just right next to that bar :-) I was there in july,
    had best hamburger in my entire life there .. :-) Love Rijeka, absolutely beautiful city,
    will return there again for sure.


  • brambosbrambos
    edited September 5

    I don't really want to compromise on the original "frame and forget" concept by adding all sorts of camera option widgets to the UI, so here's a neat compromise.

    You'll still need to commit to the normal wide angle or the ultra wide angle lens in a way, but you'll be able to swap to your preferred lens (really, as if you're changing lenses on the original XPAN :D ):

    Hiding it here also makes it easier because I don't have to explain that 48mpx mode and UW lens usage are mutually exclusive (at least until the iPhone 16 models come out) etc.

  • LuxthorLuxthor
    edited September 5

    @brambos said:
    I don't really want to compromise on the original "frame and forget" concept by adding all sorts of camera option widgets to the UI, so here's a neat compromise.

    You'll still need to commit to the normal wide angle or the ultra wide angle lens in a way, but you'll be able to swap to your preferred lens (really, as if you're changing lenses on the original XPAN :D ):

    Hiding it here also makes it easier because I don't have to explain that 48mpx mode and UW lens usage are mutually exclusive (at least until the iPhone 16 models come out) etc.

    That’s a good solution, thank you! 🫡
    Original XPan could change lenses, so you will not break any law there other than be even more close to the original.

    The only other request I have is a larger or better designed mode dial. Icons are too small, and when you accidentally change them, there is no other indication in which mode you actually are. About image quality, regarding my favorite night mode, green cast is too acidic, even in night shots. In my opinion, this is more of a problem than the red cast you already targeted.

    Unmodified night shot with night mode:

    Slightly modified green channel:

    Edit: Added modification graph.

    Unmodified day shot with night mode:

    Slightly modified green channel:

    Edit: Added modification graph. It’s different from the night shot.

    Keep up the good work! ❤️

  • LuxthorLuxthor

    Look at these JJ Davies XPan photos. The green cast is not that acidic in night or daylight photos.
    https://jjdavies.co/hasselblad-xpan

  • LuxthorLuxthor

    @dendy said:

    I think this is it, King's Caffe is just right next to that bar :-) I was there in july,
    had best hamburger in my entire life there .. :-) Love Rijeka, absolutely beautiful city,
    will return there again for sure.

    Next time PM me so we can eat this mosterburger together. ;)

  • dendydendy

    @Luxthor said:

    @dendy said:

    I think this is it, King's Caffe is just right next to that bar :-) I was there in july,
    had best hamburger in my entire life there .. :-) Love Rijeka, absolutely beautiful city,
    will return there again for sure.

    Next time PM me so we can eat this mosterburger together. ;)

    🤝

  • dendydendy
    edited September 5

    @Luxthor said:

    @brambos said:
    I don't really want to compromise on the original "frame and forget" concept by adding all sorts of camera option widgets to the UI, so here's a neat compromise.

    You'll still need to commit to the normal wide angle or the ultra wide angle lens in a way, but you'll be able to swap to your preferred lens (really, as if you're changing lenses on the original XPAN :D ):

    Hiding it here also makes it easier because I don't have to explain that 48mpx mode and UW lens usage are mutually exclusive (at least until the iPhone 16 models come out) etc.

    That’s a good solution, thank you! 🫡
    Original XPan could change lenses, so you will not break any law there other than be even more close to the original.

    The only other request I have is a larger or better designed mode dial. Icons are too small, and when you accidentally change them, there is no other indication in which mode you actually are. About image quality, regarding my favorite night mode, green cast is too acidic, even in night shots. In my opinion, this is more of a problem than the red cast you already targeted.

    Unmodified night shot with night mode:

    Slightly modified green channel:

    Unmodified day shot with night mode:

    Slightly modified green channel:

    Keep up the good work! ❤️

    I like that slighy modified versions ! Looks a bit less “matrix-ish” …

  • brambosbrambos

    Yes, that does look good (and that bar-shot is really nice! <3 ).

    It seems to be a creative choice made in the darkroom process to some extent, as many other shots posted online do have this pronounced teal/green cast caused by the tungsten compensation (and other yet again are more biased towards blue, which I suspect is mostly done in post processing).

    I'll tinker to see if I can find a good middle ground without losing the original personality :)

  • ZaubrerZaubrer

    Nice app, instantly bought it when I saw it popping up.

    There could be a stronger visual and/or haptic feedback when taking a photo. Either it is because I get no feedback or there might be a bug, because I always take two identical photos.

  • brambosbrambos
    edited September 5

    @Zaubrer said:
    Nice app, instantly bought it when I saw it popping up.

    There could be a stronger visual and/or haptic feedback when taking a photo. Either it is because I get no feedback or there might be a bug, because I always take two identical photos.

    You should hear the Apple shutter sound. Do you have the system sounds switched off/turned down?

    Alternatively, if you have "Also save unprocessed JPEG" enabled in settings, it will save 2 photos for each shot (one processed, one unprocessed).

  • ZaubrerZaubrer

    @brambos said:

    @Zaubrer said:
    Nice app, instantly bought it when I saw it popping up.

    There could be a stronger visual and/or haptic feedback when taking a photo. Either it is because I get no feedback or there might be a bug, because I always take two identical photos.

    You should hear the Apple shutter sound. Do you have the system sounds switched off/turned down?

    Alternatively, if you have "Also save unprocessed JPEG" enabled in settings, it will save 2 photos for each shot (one processed, one unprocessed).

    Ah, I see. I usually have my iPhone in silent mode. Then the two pictures were because I only lightly pressed the shutter button and probably hovered over the screen so I took two exposures. Maybe a very light haptic feedback would be nice though, you'd feel the shutter in a real XPAN too, at least a little.

    Also +1 to the idea adding HP5! You already nailed Cinestil, I always love the look of the highlights.

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