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@MadeofWax I forgot my man NUNO!!!! One of my faves (decadence dance and play with me are the best metal solos for a blues based metal band i can think of [nb i dont dig/do blues based metal alot]…..nice solo Mac
(Im glad people are diggin the idea of the thread @pbelgium and @MistaG - i got a good feeling about this one’s potential)
Thanks @Gravitas and @yellow_eyez ,
Gravitas,
I use Riffler for rhythm guitar.
As far as the virtual leads on Darkness Within I used AudioLayer with this bare bones guitar instrument I made for it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s7Wf3tZ4Zw87IwTNCbG4QRTGis66pIoQ/view?usp=drivesdk
Using ChordJam and Aphelian both running into AudioLayer and setting the instrument to monophonic to get those weird wide pitch bends and then occasionally dropping ChordJam and changing the settings on Aphelian. ZOA is also good for making interesting solos with that AudioLayer instrument, especially if you send multiple lanes to it at the same time.
Thank you for the video.
I was thinking of doing
BACKING TRACK BATTLES
Every round another guitarist will pick a backing track.
I am not sure whether the backing track should be just drums, drums and bass or, drums bass and guitar? The only issue with that I can see is it might be a mode or progression way outside your comfort zone and that might deter people…but if we just kept it to drums, you can make your own instrumental choices
What do you guys think? Would anyone be interested in this type of “challenge?”
First person to reply, gets first pick for the first battle round
(Otherwise post your better ideas, hmmph [lol])
Oh you're so naughty...
We walked right into that one.
Right then...
I better get to practicing there's stiff competition, s!!T....
Lolololololol
but hey, since your already a real gem this will only add to your luster
Name: James
Location: Michigan USA
Genre/type jazz fusion, metal,
Guitars: Jackson dinky, Gibson les Paul, squire jazz bass
Favorite /influences: Al dimeola, Joe pass,, Becker, Gilbert, evh, srv, Henson
Favorite pickups: Duncan jb, Duncan custom shop 78
amps/cab: 5150iii 4x12 cab 20 watt greenbacks
fave Fx/pedals I haven’t found any I hate love them all
Samples/albums/tracks:
https://on.soundcloud.com/ZY3QTH3k85uoxZ8t9
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Keep going with that string count bro. You'll get there ...
lol. No 8 is TOO much - I discourage anyone from getting 8, and definitely 9+ is just stupid
But the 8 string custom shop was a gift , I think when I turned 35? And it was very unique
I was going to custom order an obscure independent luthier from Australia but I changed my mind last minute because it was fanned frets and I don’t have experience with them so I said let me go with what I know at that price point and level….didnt make a difference because it’s as good as it gets and I don’t really see a point to 8 strings except for cool cleans now; but the scale was 29.5” on the bass end whcih is way too long , so I just got a uniform 27” length
Point is: over 27” is way too long, it’s a bass. Under 27” doesn’t give enough length for the low heavy gauge strings, so 27” is the sweet spot. I got the best pickups in there, but it still falls short
I’m a 7 string player ; I love standard 6 and I like my 8 string but if I had to do it over I wouldn’t have spent what I spent on the 8 strings knowing how i feel now
And now my collection is complete - I will never again buy or trade a guitar
There is one guitar I won’t get my hands on because I just don’t have the money for it and they are OOP and rarely sold used but I think I’m going stop looking now and call this one the icing on the cake
It literally looks like jt lol
Meshuggah seriously contemplated having all their three string players all playing basses for The Violent Sleep album, but discarded the idea after some testing.
Two more strings than anyone really needs, but still better than a silly 7 string.
There's no such thing as a smart trade when getting a new instrument.
I've been playing guitar for a long time and I still haven't played a 7 or 8 string yet.
How are they to play?
That's an awesome gift.
A guitarist friend of mine is a fan of fanned frets and interestingly enough he also plays bass
and I also play bass so 29.5" is not really an issue if it needs playing.
Are you sure?
I'm not going to say it
however you now have an awesome guitar and cute with the looks as well.
Looking forward to hearing it at some point in the future once you start practicing daily again.
What about this one? 2 strings...
That’s a gem. Nice find!
A new guitar for a guitarist is sheer heaven.
On that note, I didn't get myself a 7 seven string lead machine
like @yellow_eyez went and got himself (and rightly so)
however I did pick up a rather straight ahead Fender Squier Strat
that was being ignored in the back of a shop so I got it.
It needed a tweaking for sure, the neck was bowed and the intonation was almost non existent.
An allen key, screwdriver and a days worth of playing later and she sounds fab.
Yes, a guitar tuner was involved.
Intonation sorted, tuning holds and she's fun to play.
I even went in on my Epiphone Wildkat and flipped the bobbin and
rotated the magnets in one of the pickups to get hum cancelling.
Yes, a soldering iron was involved.
I now get the sound of P90's on the rhythm and lead switch positions
and a humbucker in centre position thrown in.
Absolutely satisfiying.
The hum cancelling works by the way which is why I did it.
So yeah, I'm with @yellow_eyez all the way.
@Gravitas thank you my man! I’m glad that hum cancellation worked and you pulled it off!! Do you do your own setups ?
For me, and I can only speak to my own experience, I find “home” to be with my 7 strings. I love the slightly added width to the neck, and I love how the slightly added range really opens a lot of creative options for me. As I play a lot of taqsim, the ability to drone is essential …the added B string is absolutely perfect for slightly getting that wonderful lower end distorted without needing to drop tuning. IOW you can remain standard tuning but still get those nice low down dirty tones for hi gain. I see no difference between 6 and 7 strings but when I play 6 I feel like I’m missing something. So my 6 are basically collectors pieces now.
Conversely, the 8 string is difficult to play, it is difficult to find proper amplification, and it is not something I would recommend to anyone except high level intermediate or advanced players. It requires a lot of agility , and dexterity that only an intermediary + player could adapt themselves to. A beginner would be out of depth and also just overwhelmed …the size difference here IS distinctly noticeable even from 7 string to 8 string. But when you jump from 8 down to 6 you see how vast the size difference is between the two without that perfect 7 in between them. Whereas you don’t feel the difference or it might even be nice to feel if you have bigger hands with the 7, the 8 is ever going to feel Better than the 7. It might work, and it might feel as good but unless you’re abnormally large (6’4”+ hands) the 8 string itself might be an instrument outside of your physical ability to play normally or comfortably . Conversely it’s the 8 string cleans that I appreciate as the distorted signal usually doesn’t translate well at that depth. I tune again always to standard so this is f# (sometimes I’ll drop it down to E, to have a double octave thing going on with the low end) but it’s the only time I’ll play with tuning. Otherwise it’s standard
Oh and fanned fret might be brilliant but I’m not familiar with it - it’d be crazy to spend $4k on a guitar I never played by a independent luthier in Australia without any guarantee of really anything but bona fide in the luthier and trusting the anecdotes of others. Other guys said you can’t beat ESP custom shop, and that is a stone cold fact I eventually learned over time, the esp custom shop is indeed #1 on earth. So I just picked the safer bet. Was it the right choice? Maybe not. Maybe the Australian fanned fret 29.5”-25.5” would’ve been way better. At this point I’ll never know because I doubt anyone with one of those would trade for my custom shop esp and that’s the only thing I’m willing to trade
It’s funny you mention that because I bought the meshuggah Ibanez m80m at one point ; 29.4” scale - it just wasn’t me. But for meshuggah it totally works and makes sense, they are mainly playing in the first position only , for every song, and their leads consist of about four notes ringing out in unison drone. So to their musical style and sound, I see why they literally made basses out of their guitars … and Gravitas, that’s all I was saying, like if you’re gonna play a bass, just play a bass, don’t make a guitar out of it lol
@Poppadocrock thank you poppa! What do you play ?
I too have my base on 7-strings, with an "old-school" (for the topic) scale length of 25.5 (Ibanez Universe, 1st ed, bought 1990). I still love it though I need to have it serviced as it has lived a hard life and been my main stage guitar for over 200 live gigs around Europe, and it definitely could do with some TLC.
It takes a couple of weeks to get used to a 7-string I'd say, but after that you can swap between 6/7-strings without having to think about it.
I have most of my old gear in storage these days, or I have lent gear to a local studio (better it is being used than collecting dust, and I don't sell gear), but 2 electric and 1 acoustic guitars are still in the house. The second electric is a 6-string Charvel with EMG pickups.
I really would love having both a bass guitar and also an 8-string guitar within easy reach (in my music creation corner), but apparently I haven't wanted it enough to go buy them.
I can do basic setups now such as adjusting the neck and intonation however
I still am not confident with adjusting string height from the saddles and fretdressing.
I'm going to attempt fret dressing next year once I get the right tools for the job as
my frets are worn down on Peace though she is more than playable
I think that will make the difference in buzz and string height for sure.
If I fail I do know of a couple of really, really good luthiers.
I hear you on the drone as I sometimes drop the E to a D on mine.
I would like to hear some of your drone stuff as I played quite a bit of it years ago
especially when I went through my "asian" phase alongside learning
basic tabla rhythms, (not on tabla on drumkit) and singing the rhythms
the latter of which is how you learn tabla rhythms.
Sing it, you can play it.
I could make the leap as I'm used to larger frets from being a bass player.
It would mean I wouldn't be able to do certain stretches however I can still cover a lot of ground.
I've yet to try a fanned fret however at some point I will try one just to see and feel how it plays.
Yeah, I was gong to say a similar thing about Meshuggah.
Their sound is drumkit, bass and melodic white noise.
I'm not dissing it because because I really like their shizzle
however the truth is the truth.
Lololololll.....
Right then that's fisticuffs at dawn talk....
Maybe even a flick on the nose kung fu style.
Bruce Lee stare.
I'm an old school bass player.
If you can't rock a four string then you can't rock.
Yeah, I know that's cold however 30 something years
and a couple award winning students later I can safely say that.
One is currently in the top five in the UK Soul Charts
I'm quite happy to say.
So yeah play guitar, play bass
Don't get the two confused.
'It's like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.'
Meshuggah are house gods here and I've bumped in to them now and then at different times, but yeah, I too agree.
I read one of the most amusing descriptions of Meshuggah ever, as a YT comment the other day:
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Tomas, Marten, and Dick: CHUGGADA CHUGGADA CHUGGACHUGGADA CHUGGADA (unison)
Jens: "RAH RAAAAAAAH RAHRAH RAAAAAAH RAAAAAAAAAAH"
Fredrik: "Why yes, I do enjoy Abstract Jazz."
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I used to listen to them along with Korn quite a lot actually.
I used to practice the drum rhythms mainly.
His snare cuts.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I'm with Fredrik.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Personally, I find the neck to be a crucial thing. As the neck gets wider the shape become something I am more critical about. I've had a stroke of luck though. I have an LTD (by ESP) 7 baritone 27.5" and love the feel. At present I have it set to Eb tuning, with a dropped low string (to Ab). I had a custom shop Schecter and as nice as it was, the neck was something I couldn't get into.
With 6 strings I prefer a pretty meaty neck but I have other thinner necks that don't really bother me.
Damn, that's deep on the Ab.
Yeah, neck shape is crucial actually.
I tend to prefer thinner necks as they suit my style of playing
however I do like playing meaty necks for sure.
The thunk on them is defined quite nicely.
Funny : just traded my universe for that ESP custom. Yep - you just switch and don’t notice.
Go for the 8 when you can but talk to me about whcih to get first. I’m literally an 8 string fanatic. I over did my research with real life trials .
@Gravitas
lol and dawn it is!!!
No don’t get my message wrong. I love meshuggahs sound . It’s just rhythmic math metal, no melody. But idc it’s all good
I like thin necks - thin U or Ultra thin U
I’ll deal with a super slim c or ultra thin D but I prefer a U
This coming year I'm going to go looking.
I only trust three luthiers with my guitars and one luthier for my bass.
I once gave my guitars to a luthier I didn't know and they came back almost unplayable.
I was horrified, guitar buzz everywhere and the intonation was worse than before
so I started learning to do my own adjustments and when it comes to the in depth stuff
I take it to the luthiers that I know.
Intonation adjustments are really simply and all you need is a screwdriver.
Have a guitar tuner handy and I would advise adjusting it playing position
because I have done adjustments with the guitar horizontal and
when I've flipped it to playing the position the intonation is slighty off.
I am talking about a few cents either way.
Play the open string, play the octave note and then the harmonic on the octave on the same string
The octave note and the harmonic should be the same.
If it's sharp then the saddle goes towards the bridge and
if it's flat then the saddle goes away from the bridge and tune to taste.
In your case there's no need to go for the fanned guitars.
You have some awesome guitars.
Lololololol....
Cool....
I prefer hand to hand.
Yeah, it's all good.
Meshuggah tickle that part of my brain that loves polyrhythmic patterns left over from my prog days and nights.
Oooookk! Now I need a moshpit!
🤘🏾
F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!K......
WHERE'S THE PIT>>>>>>
Heads for the stage to stage dive.
@Gravitas
Serious buyers remorse kicking in despite monetarily making sense and being fairly even, I traded two high end signature guitars for one custom shop (coincidentally signature) !! Don’t get me wrong I love my new guitar but shit , when you realize it’s JUST a guitar, and that I gave away two fairly pricey models for this one is kinda kicking my butt now - but always wanted an esp custom shop 7 string so now I can just stop trying to find one or get the scalloped fretboard Yngwie * and I’m not going to be looking to purchase guitars anymore . (Potentially, I have only one guitar left to trade and I doubt I will bother trying or looking to do it)
If there is a good “setup” YT tutorial lmk because , this guitar is a vintage fender tremolo (not Floyd style), which I kind of like (it’s Hipshot + vintage fender trem), so it would translate to any 6 pt trem setup tutorial
I am misunderstood here. I like bass and I like meshuggah. A lot. I bought their guitar even. Just to see if I could replicate that sound. On top of that no one does polymeter odd metrics like they do. So they also tick that for me. Absolutely love it when sloshed as you say. (What I was saying was I thought going 29.4” with guitar strings and neck scale was ill advised) UNLESS fanned frets , then there’s one brand I would try
—- and ——
Ofc hand to hand - you think I would give away the one advantage I have over anyone (?!) Plus not all American NRA members are savages sir lmao
*(There were 2 guitars left I was going to try to get but I think I’m calling it quits with what I got now, one is a custom order 8 string from Australia and the other is out of business Parker guitars. Both run minimum of $4000+ in trades or cash; $5000-7,000 new so… time to say, 9 incredible , rare awesome top of the top of line guitars are enough , especially when I only play 4 of them regularly now )
Yeah, I hear you on the buyers remorse.
It happens.
I will suggest this.
Take her out of her case once a day and get to know her (my guitars are female)
Then start doing stretches and playing simple warmups.
Each day you play together you will grow closer.
You'll get to know every curve, bend and slide and the notes will flow so much easier.
I don't have a link to a tutorial on YT however have a look at this link.
https://www.musicradar.com/news/electric-guitar-setup-guide-set-up-action-strings-pickups
Nah, you're not misunderstood.
We all love Meshuggah.
The convo about Meshuggah started tickling
my memories of mosh pits and stage diving
and a whole heap of bonkersness.
Lololololololol
Dude, if you were here I would love to spar with you.
It's been ages since I've had a good sparring match
and you sound like a fun spar.
Anecdotal story....
Though I am non violent by nature I've got three brothers
and we all used to spar when we were young
various forms from White Crane through to Shotokan.
The borough were I grew up and still live in actually used
to be rather notorious and learning self defense was "necessary".
Thankfully some thirty something years later my borough
has grown immensely into a heaving metropolis.
I let go of the sparring however the discipline remains
and I approach my music with that discipline.
Lololololol
I hear you loud and clear.
Awesome.
Your guitars match your playing for sure.
When I first heard your guitar playing I was blown away by the articulation and the speed.
The clarity of notes can get lost when shredding and your clarity and diction was spot on.
One can hear the discipline in your playing which is why firstly
I challenged you to hand to hand because the discipline is the same.
You're ready for hand to hand? then you're ready to play and
I'm so looking forward to hearing your playing again.
🙏🏾