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Guitarists’ Guide (news & all things guitar related)

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  • @pigdog237 said:
    It’s a shame these two threads were combined - I’m really interested in the Pocket Master and would be interested to see people’s opinion of it.

    Yeh I must say I was a bit confused about the combo of these two threads. I think the Pocket Master can still have its own thread to keep it clean.

  • Combining the threads (with the title saying in caps Sonicake Pocket master ) shouldn’t be too hard to follow and continue discussing considering we are doing that right now 😆 in the “guitar discussion” thread….

    the point was to get a whole repository of guitarists and guitar information and guitarists connected to a constant feed of running, updated, guitar news etc, like this, so for that, Thank you again @Uprightmusic for adding to this idea and the spirit of the thread for us guitarists on here

    (Please don’t forget to fill out your info about guitars and influences and genres and styles you like to play!! This is supposed to be fun 🤩)

  • @espiegel123 said:

    Btw, I was reading about the Pocket Master in a NAM forum and it was mentioned that the device doesn't let you use an IR and a NAM profile. So, if you are using a NAM profile that doesn't have the cabinet baked in, it is not going to sound right. Since most NAM profiles assume you will run an IR after it.

    Ah this is good to know. Thanks for relaying that.

    @espiegel123 said:

    There was also speculation that it isn't running NAM profiles natively but is converting to some proprietary other format. I have no idea if that is true.

    This would make a lot of sense. The “bright” switch that Soncake include in the NAM profiles would be my first reason to believe they are doing some sort of converting to make it work with the Pocket Master UI. Perhaps this is just an early implementation of NAM in the Pocket Master and they just wanted to get it in the hands of folks and add a bullet point to the feature list. From what I’ve heard they actually put NAM in the device in a previous firmware but then removed it because it wasn’t working properly.

  • @pigdog237 said:
    It’s a shame these two threads were combined -

    Yeah this initially threw me off as well. I kinda wondered “hey where’s my thread” 🤣

  • @yellow_eyez said:

    (Please don’t forget to fill out your info about guitars and influences and genres and styles you like to play!! This is supposed to be fun 🤩)

    Gotcha! I’ll definitely do that soon.

  • @Uprightmusic said:

    @pigdog237 said:
    It’s a shame these two threads were combined -

    Yeah this initially threw me off as well. I kinda wondered “hey where’s my thread” 🤣

    My bad dude - that’s why I asked if it was all good - if I misunderstood you I apologize as you are the OP… if you want to make your own thread again, feel free to do so

    Same goes for everyone ofc, I was hoping the thread would serve as a source to help keep it aggregated for guitar stuff…

    Again thanks @Uprightmusic and my bad if I confused your response to my question about the merge/joining the “mega”thread

    But for what it’s worth, that’s why the title is edited to have your thread content in caps

    And it goes without saying, you guys can post wherever you want, but as a guitarist , I rather visit a constant updated thread with new info added rather than a thread that’ll fizzle after a week or so; that way someone might be able to reference the info within the same thread at a later time rather than trying to scramble locating another thread

    Anyway that was the thinking but guys, do what makes you happy - you know this is a very loose and relaxed place without restrictions (except against evil! ;) )

  • @yellow_eyez said:

    @Uprightmusic said:

    @pigdog237 said:
    It’s a shame these two threads were combined -

    Yeah this initially threw me off as well. I kinda wondered “hey where’s my thread” 🤣

    My bad dude - that’s why I asked if it was all good - if I misunderstood you I apologize as you are the OP… if you want to make your own thread again, feel free to do so

    Same goes for everyone ofc, I was hoping the thread would serve as a source to help keep it aggregated for guitar stuff…

    Again thanks @Uprightmusic and my bad if I confused your response to my question about the merge/joining the “mega”thread

    But for what it’s worth, that’s why the title is edited to have your thread content in caps

    And it goes without saying, you guys can post wherever you want, but as a guitarist , I rather visit a constant updated thread with new info added rather than a thread that’ll fizzle after a week or so; that way someone might be able to reference the info within the same thread at a later time rather than trying to scramble locating another thread

    Agreed.

    Anyway that was the thinking but guys, do what makes you happy - you know this is a very loose and relaxed place without restrictions (except against evil! ;) )

    Once again agreed with especially the latter. :)

  • @yellow_eyez said:
    (Please don’t forget to fill out your info about guitars and influences and genres and styles you like to play!! This is supposed to be fun 🤩)

    Well, I wasn't really interested in a general guitar thread (my guitar stuff is "old school" & pretty much separate to iOS and even more so to anything like a DAW), but I was really interested specifically in the Pocket Master :p

    ...but in the spirit of strumming, my favourite guitarists are probably Steve Cropper (Booker T & the MGs), J Mascis, Bob Mould (Hüsker Dü) and David Gilmour.

  • @yellow_eyez said:

    My bad dude - that’s why I asked if it was all good - if I misunderstood you I apologize as you are the OP

    oh man no problem! I just wasn’t sure what happened lol… I think the thread being merged here makes sense because of the amount of guitar players here. Maybe at some point we can start another hardware topic related to the pocket master where people can talk about specifics concerning the unit. Although that may not be necessary because we can really do that here.

  • I totally support whatever you decide. In fact , may I suggest, once a few users get theirs, especially @wim being the kinda guy we know he is, if owners want to make like a “Sonicake Pocket Master Megathread” so THAT serves for completely devoted attention to help, support, sharing , etc then I think that would totally make sense (same way there is an Ableton Move thread etc)

  • Personally, I’d prefer that threads about specific guitar topics not get folded into a mega thread.

  • Well that’s my point man, you can post wherever you want.

    But the point of this thread is because a few guitarists did want something dedicated to a guitar mega thread.

    So again by all means post however and wherever you like but guitarists part of the Guitarist Guide just seem to prefer a streamlined thread , keeps things fresh and varied since it’s not like we talk a lot about guitars all that much anyway to begin with now that I think of it

    So do ya thang playas

  • @yellow_eyez ok I hear you. With that in mind I just started a thread in the Hardware section based on the Pocket Master as a iOS interface (because the majority of folks here are using iOS to some degree)
    Here’s the thread
    https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/63931/sonicake-pocket-master-as-an-ios-interface-for-guitar/p1?new=1

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @Uprightmusic said:
    @espiegel123 i mentioned this before but there is no “bright” switch in the NAM app on iOS but every single NAM profile you load into the Pocket Master has a bright switch. Trying to turn this bright switch off results in utter chaos from my experience.

    Btw, I was reading about the Pocket Master in a NAM forum and it was mentioned that the device doesn't let you use an IR and a NAM profile. So, if you are using a NAM profile that doesn't have the cabinet baked in, it is not going to sound right. Since most NAM profiles assume you will run an IR after it.

    I got mine today and am able to use both NAM profile and my own cabinet IRs.

  • @wim said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @Uprightmusic said:
    @espiegel123 i mentioned this before but there is no “bright” switch in the NAM app on iOS but every single NAM profile you load into the Pocket Master has a bright switch. Trying to turn this bright switch off results in utter chaos from my experience.

    Btw, I was reading about the Pocket Master in a NAM forum and it was mentioned that the device doesn't let you use an IR and a NAM profile. So, if you are using a NAM profile that doesn't have the cabinet baked in, it is not going to sound right. Since most NAM profiles assume you will run an IR after it.

    I got mine today and am able to use both NAM profile and my own cabinet IRs.

    That’s interesting. A few people in the NAM Facebook group posted that it wasn’t possible and posted pictures showing the IR module disabled when they had a NAM profile loaded.

  • wimwim
    edited January 29

    I'm on the late> @espiegel123 said:

    @wim said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @Uprightmusic said:
    @espiegel123 i mentioned this before but there is no “bright” switch in the NAM app on iOS but every single NAM profile you load into the Pocket Master has a bright switch. Trying to turn this bright switch off results in utter chaos from my experience.

    Btw, I was reading about the Pocket Master in a NAM forum and it was mentioned that the device doesn't let you use an IR and a NAM profile. So, if you are using a NAM profile that doesn't have the cabinet baked in, it is not going to sound right. Since most NAM profiles assume you will run an IR after it.

    I got mine today and am able to use both NAM profile and my own cabinet IRs.

    That’s interesting. A few people in the NAM Facebook group posted that it wasn’t possible and posted pictures showing the IR module disabled when they had a NAM profile loaded.

    Definitely can do here. I'm on version 1.1.0 firmware released just this month. Maybe they were on a previous release.
    [edit] see below...

  • @espiegel123 said:

    That’s interesting. A few people in the NAM Facebook group posted that it wasn’t possible and posted pictures showing the IR module disabled when they had a NAM profile loaded.

    Yeah it definitely works…just got around to testing it.

    It’s possible they had the IR block turned off. It’s easy to do if you are not familiar with the interface. Also you need to load IR’s through the app and make sure the IR is selected in the drop down menu….and it obviously needs to be a compatible IR.

  • Here is a picture someone posted.

    If the people posting in the other group are wrong that would be good to know.

  • @wim @Uprightmusic so the IR module isn’t crossed out for you as it is in the picture I posted above? It was posted by one of the people insisting that the IR module is deactivated when a NAM profile loads.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    @wim @Uprightmusic so the IR module isn’t crossed out for you as it is in the picture I posted above? It was posted by one of the people insisting that the IR module is deactivated when a NAM profile loads.

    You're right. I was assuming that since everything else worked normally (on/off switch, selecting the IR, icon lighting up ...) that it was working. It is not.

  • @Uprightmusic said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    That’s interesting. A few people in the NAM Facebook group posted that it wasn’t possible and posted pictures showing the IR module disabled when they had a NAM profile loaded.

    Yeah it definitely works…just got around to testing it.

    I think not now. I hear no difference when I switch the IR cab in and out.

  • @Uprightmusic said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    That’s interesting. A few people in the NAM Facebook group posted that it wasn’t possible and posted pictures showing the IR module disabled when they had a NAM profile loaded.

    Yeah it definitely works…just got around to testing it.

    It’s possible they had the IR block turned off. It’s easy to do if you are not familiar with the interface. Also you need to load IR’s through the app and make sure the IR is selected in the drop down menu….and it obviously needs to be a compatible IR.

    Are you sure? See the pic I posted . A lot of people have posted in the NAM group about this.

  • edited January 29

    @espiegel123 said:

    Are you sure? See the pic I posted . A lot of people have posted in the NAM group about this.

    Hmm. So after trying it again the IR block is not grayed out and I can absolutely turn it on and off but like @wim mentioned it isn’t making a difference in the tone. So it’s pretty much useless. So IR’s do make a difference when used with the on board amps but not with the Clones (NAM models) even though the IR block can be activated while using a clone. Perhaps they will get this sorted with an update.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    Personally, I’d prefer that threads about specific guitar topics not get folded into a mega thread.

    Same here.

  • wimwim
    edited January 29

    @Uprightmusic said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    Are you sure? See the pic I posted . A lot of people have posted in the NAM group about this.

    Hmm. So after trying it again the IR block is not grayed out and I can absolutely turn it on and off but like @wim mentioned it isn’t making a difference in the tone. So it’s pretty much useless. So IR’s do make a difference when used with the on board amps but not with the Clones (NAM models) even though the IR block can be activated while using a clone. Perhaps they will get this sorted with an update.

    It does have the "Off" glyph on the FX unit, but they should have provided more visual feedback, like not allowing you turn it on in the first place and not lighting it up in the FX chain.

    I don't know if they'll sort it out so that both can be used. There's only so much processing a little box like this can take, and IR / NAM processing is CPU intensive and RAM intensive. I imagine if it could handle both at the same time, they wouldn't have disabled it in the first place.

  • @wim said:

    It does have the "Off" glyph on the FX unit, but they should have provided more visual feedback, like not allowing you turn it on in the first place and not lighting it up in the FX chain.

    I don't know if they'll sort it out so that both can be used. There's only so much processing a little box like this can take, and IR / NAM processing is CPU intensive and RAM intensive. I imagine if it could handle both at the same time, they wouldn't have disabled it in the first place.

    Great points. It’s hard to say either way without knowing how much processing is still available. Seems like they would be able to allocate the process resources of their onboard cabs to the IR’s when the cabs aren’t being used. I would imagine IR processing would be less intensive than cab modeling but I know nothing about any of that lol. I guess we will have to just wait and see.

  • @Schmotown said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    Personally, I’d prefer that threads about specific guitar topics not get folded into a mega thread.

    Same here.

    Or as there seem to be so many guitarists, pianists and other instrumentalists here, what is the possibility of a sub forum dedicated to any instruments that don’t fall into the controller or hardware synth type instrument category?

  • We totally appreciate that feedback and idea but we kinda have a lot already going on with subcategories. This was just my idea for a guitar thread because of how closely tied electric guitar is to iOS and electronic music for me and a few buddies (shout out, big up @Gravitas ) but feel free to make a “Piano Pitstop” or whatever instrument you like man. IOW I coined guitarists guide because it was a sporadic idea but it’s by no means an official forum megathread. This was made by the member formerly known as yellow eyez 🤣 (not the mod) :)

  • edited January 30

    @yellow_eyez said:
    We totally appreciate that feedback and idea but we kinda have a lot already going on with subcategories. This was just my idea for a guitar thread because of how closely tied electric guitar is to iOS and electronic music for me and a few buddies (shout out, big up @Gravitas ) but feel free to make a “Piano Pitstop” or whatever instrument you like man. IOW I coined guitarists guide because it was a sporadic idea but it’s by no means an official forum megathread. This was made by the member formerly known as yellow eyez 🤣 (not the mod) :)

    Right back at ya brother.

    I've been deep diving.
    I've been doing some beta testing and then some.
    Currently mapped over 1000 parameters and still going strong.
    Yes, I have been playing guitar, quite a lot actually.
    In keeping with this thread least I offend anyone with dRambo stuff ;)
    the PSA1000 jr + Primo combo is qute nice sounding.
    I switched off the A.I because it accented all the wrong notes however the tone is really good. :)
    So my current signal path is....

    electric guitar > active D.I box > audio interface > Brusfri > PSA1000 Jr > Primo with a touch of reverb.
    I've got the hi-gain mapped so that I can switch it in whenever I like.

    By the way there were complaints in another thread a while back about
    the Zoom U-44 not having enough signal to send to an external mixer etc.
    I've been testing this whilst I've been doing my live streaming and
    the Zoom U-44 was going into a Soundcraft Notepad 5 using balanced cables then into the Pixel 5 via usb audio.
    Other than my technical mishaps I think the signal level is more than sufficent. :)

    On that note, streaming will be back on next week. (Blatant plug) lolololol :)

  • I thought I would mention that
    I've set myself the task of learning
    some Charlie Parker horn lines on guitar. :)
    I think by Summer they should be fluid if not before.
    Anyways back soon. :)

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