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Spin-off thread to satisfy my curiosity about @wim’s practices: https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/63378/on-data-hygiene/p1?new=1
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Well said as always @wim
Upon re-reading my comment, it seems as though I’m unabashedly fine with the practice of data collection/tracking and sporting an “it is what it is” mentality, which to be super clear, isn’t how I feel about this topic.
I rather carelessly chose to give an unearned seal of approval/trust to an unknown/faceless entity, then overly confidently shared a half thought out response that deserved more nuance considering the topic.
To which I feel the need to make abundantly clear that 100/100 times I’m choosing users privacy and anonymity than the current path of the new ownership.
I unequivocally believe there should be no tracking of users of any kind within the app, I regret my previous post on this thread and hope to not have offended or downplayed anyone’s rightful concerns.
If you could see my reading list of the last 20 years you would know how d u m b / full of shame I properly feel considering the subject matter on privacy is one of, if not the main topic of reading I seem to gravitate to. Then start to question my reading comprehension and/or fairly ponder if I’m potentially illiterate.
I don’t want my previous comment to be read and potentially taken at face value, considering it detracts from the more than fair points made by more thoughtful forum members in this thread. Apologies all around.
(Ironically I don’t even have this effing app)
Not at all @offbrands - you were giving the developer the benefit of the doubt, something we should all do here. I started the ball rolling by not making that clear in my initial statements that I was "done with Audiobus then". I should have clarified that this was only because of my own general practices rather than because I had concluded there was something foul afoot. Others shed better light and I did some later editing to soften my posts after further thought. Your comments were totally fine.
I have just too many years of trying to hammer some sense into corporate executives about this stuff to keep my mouth shut. A C-Level executive of an international corporation is obviously a much juicier target than us common folk. They should be (but almost never are) much more careful than the rest of us. That's the kind of egos I'm used to preaching to. The bigger they are, the dumber it seems.
Anyway, you shouldn't feel bad about bringing balance to the discussion.
For what it’s worth I didn’t read what you wrote as a warning call of foul, but I appreciate the explanation nonetheless the less.
I spent a good while writing my last response and I felt, appropriately, a bit put off that I had shared a less considered response.
It was for my own moral standings as much as it was something I wanted to clarify and somewhat attempt to make right.
It’s funny I did have benefit of the doubt written as basically a rationale but it felt like a cop out, overall my first comment made me feel foolish yanno? And I’d rather nip that in the butt than stand around feeling shame when a response is welcomed and available.
Reflection is always an important thing to do, we are all learning and trying to navigate a text based platform can sometimes leave unintended ambiguity.
Okay not to get too melodramatic but this reminds me of Robert Caro’s knock out quote about power after writing those many volumes on Lyndon B. Johnson.
“We’re taught Lord Acton’s axiom: all power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
“I believed that when I started these books, but I don’t believe it’s always true anymore, […]”
“What I believe is always true about power, is that it power always reveals”
“When you have enough power to do what you always wanted to do. Then you see what the guy always wanted to do.”
I try to believe the actions more so than the words of those with even a limited amount of power, as they often reveal their desired intentions.
If we don’t speak truth to power, they feel more emboldened to, often, be even shittier.
I appreciate the generous response and giving me grace on the subject. Cheers 🙏🏽
When I think of how many many times I almost got fired though... 😂
Believe me I know what you mean !! It’s fun to poke the bear 😬
Been a couple of comments in this thread that the functionality of the app is also broken. Can anyone confirm this? In particular…I’m a Xequence user. Can you still load Xequence and AUM in a midi channel and AUM in audio output? May need separate thread…thanks
Sheesh. Really?? Practical questions?
Some people. 🙄
I just tried and it seems to work fine.
... and in the process, ran across this, which, if it works, makes the question of cross-tracking moot.
Haha, sorry, won’t happen again.
Many thanks for checking, sounds like good news for my personal application of AB ( sorry to hear if others are having difficulties). Have been worried about losing my “daw” in the changeover.
Cheers wim
Lordy. Thanks for sharing @wim
On hindsight, I’m even more aligned with taking back my bs statements.
Furthermore…
REDACTED
Just wrote a couple paragraphs and realized I was taking a leisurely jaunt down the old** benefit of the doubt** avenue. I’m biting my tongue! (Metaphorically) and taking the scenic route in the opposite direction 😅😅😅
That popup is a textbook example of 2024-style "Terms and Conditions" legal bullshit weirdness.
1) The small text ("Use you device information...") makes no sense in connection with the large text above. It is not a logical continuation of the question asked.
2) There's a prominent typo in the small text, which doesn't help to instil trust in the developer.
3) Why is the first button worded in such a weird way? The question asks "Allow [...]?" -- the button should just be labelled "Don't Allow", like all other such buttons.
"Ask App Not to Track" has always sounded suspicious to me, like wording produced by lawyers. "Ask" is the key word. It's just a request, and requests don't have any effect unless the requestee chooses to follow them. If a developer chooses to make his app quietly disregard your request, is there any effect at all? Is there any requirement to tell you that your request had no effect? Nope, you got to make your request. Transaction complete. Maybe it's just a feel-good button.
That option should read simply, "Prevent Tracking by App" or "Turn off Tracking". Why doesn't it? There's surely a very good reason. I'd ask Apple's legal department to explain, but I can't find the button for that.
If you don’t like the idea of being tracked, 1Blocker can block in app trackers using a firewall on a local VPN. I’m sure there must be others that do something similar.
Yes, I wasn't implicitly blaming this particular developer here. But see @BeatsMe 's brilliant post below.
Yes, that's exactly what I was suggesting by pointing out the weird wording of the button.
Clearly, there's something dodgy going on here if the question explicitly asks if I want to "Allow" something, but then the available choices don't include "Don't Allow".
"Like wording produced by lawyers" (i.e., something straight out of the universe's ever-wider Bullshit Pipeline) nails it.
I completely agree that the wording is sketchy lawyer speak meant to avoid accountability and sell our types and swipes
Thankfully EU consumer protections have been on their ass and it will hopefully benefit everyone.
That seems pretty harsh. What is your basis for saying that it is so problematic?
Crashes reported over at the Cubasis forum related to there 3.5 release...
...and honestly I personally no longer care about AudioBus at all and everything that is still supporting IAA just postpones the AUv3 transition...
I guess we better dump Cubasis, Loopy Pro, ApeMatrix and AUM too then.
Saying the release is a total disaster seems a bit strong and different from “there are crashes reported on the Cubasis forum.”
Considering dumping iOS/iPadOS as well for certain audio tasks that bring in the greens to be honest…
🤣🤣
Anyway, back on topic. So far I haven't seen those reported problems with the 3.5 release, other than the usual IAA "start apps standalone first" bullsh*t. I also assume they'll fix the bugs. It's their first update out of the gate with a totally unfamiliar code base. They deserve to be cut some slack.
I do have a beef with the added trackers and the ambiguous maybe opt-out. At least they link directly to their easy enough to understand privacy policy right up front in the app.
I was hoping this was a thread about SunVox and Vividtracker etal in AB3
I will !
IMO they have a right to try to get some monetization from the app, and more power to them as long as they're not spamming ads in the app. They're very up front about it. It's not like it's hidden. In fact it's way more visible and forthright than the vast amount of tracking that goes on quietly behind virtually every website we visit every day. (I know, I monitor such things.)
We have the right to not use Audiobus if we're not ok with the possibility of a little targeted advertising data being supplied to the usual suspects. In fact, I've decided to do without it. But I can't say I hold this against them.
Audiobus is a paid app. Why should it have ads inside it ?
Still no communication from the new owner. I am uninstalling.
It doesn’t have ads in it. It could some day, but it doesn’t now.
Imma probably uninstall too, but it’s best to avoid putting out misleading information.
True
Time to buy AUM, I guess.