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Identity Trackers within Audiobus App

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  • nuno_agogonuno_agogo

    fm player 2 also with trackers in the new update

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @ecou said:

    @wim said:

    @ecou said:

    @wim said:
    IMO they have a right to try to get some monetization from the app, and more power to them as long as they're not spamming ads in the app. They're very up front about it. It's not like it's hidden. In fact it's way more visible and forthright than the vast amount of tracking that goes on quietly behind virtually every website we visit every day. (I know, I monitor such things.)

    We have the right to not use Audiobus if we're not ok with the possibility of a little targeted advertising. In fact, I've decided to do just that. But I can't say I hold this against them.

    Audiobus is a paid app. Why should it have ads inside it ?

    Still no communication from the new owner. I am uninstalling.

    It doesn’t have ads in it. It could some day, but it doesn’t now.
    Imma probably uninstall too, but it’s best to avoid putting out misleading information.

    True

    Time to buy AUM, I guess.

    Or Loopy Pro. If you were using AudioBus as a host, Loopy Pro as a host is significantly more capable than AB as a host.

  • bygjohnbygjohn

    @nuno_agogo said:
    fm player 2 also with trackers in the new update

    Damn, that means Retro Piano will be infested with this stuff soon, too. So much for my optimism about its future after it changed hands.

  • reasOnereasOne

    The website for the new owners looks sketch to me

  • wimwim

    I got 'em all backed up with iMazing, so I'm not updating any of those apps they acquired now. I mean, this type of tracker is no big deal IMO, but when I can avoid tracking, I do.

    And I'm not buying any further apps they acquire that I don't already have, on principle. I'm not saying that to discourage anyone else from buying them or from updating. However, if the developer is out there and reads this, I hope they'll take that as a marketing data point. Some people really don't like this kind of thing.

    Now all I have to deal with is having the stupid updates sitting in my App Store queue all the time. 😐

  • ecouecou

    @espiegel123 said:

    @ecou said:

    @wim said:

    @ecou said:

    @wim said:
    IMO they have a right to try to get some monetization from the app, and more power to them as long as they're not spamming ads in the app. They're very up front about it. It's not like it's hidden. In fact it's way more visible and forthright than the vast amount of tracking that goes on quietly behind virtually every website we visit every day. (I know, I monitor such things.)

    We have the right to not use Audiobus if we're not ok with the possibility of a little targeted advertising. In fact, I've decided to do just that. But I can't say I hold this against them.

    Audiobus is a paid app. Why should it have ads inside it ?

    Still no communication from the new owner. I am uninstalling.

    It doesn’t have ads in it. It could some day, but it doesn’t now.
    Imma probably uninstall too, but it’s best to avoid putting out misleading information.

    True

    Time to buy AUM, I guess.

    Or Loopy Pro. If you were using AudioBus as a host, Loopy Pro as a host is significantly more capable than AB as a host.

    I don’t do looping.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @ecou said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @ecou said:

    @wim said:

    @ecou said:

    @wim said:
    IMO they have a right to try to get some monetization from the app, and more power to them as long as they're not spamming ads in the app. They're very up front about it. It's not like it's hidden. In fact it's way more visible and forthright than the vast amount of tracking that goes on quietly behind virtually every website we visit every day. (I know, I monitor such things.)

    We have the right to not use Audiobus if we're not ok with the possibility of a little targeted advertising. In fact, I've decided to do just that. But I can't say I hold this against them.

    Audiobus is a paid app. Why should it have ads inside it ?

    Still no communication from the new owner. I am uninstalling.

    It doesn’t have ads in it. It could some day, but it doesn’t now.
    Imma probably uninstall too, but it’s best to avoid putting out misleading information.

    True

    Time to buy AUM, I guess.

    Or Loopy Pro. If you were using AudioBus as a host, Loopy Pro as a host is significantly more capable than AB as a host.

    I don’t do looping.

    Even if you don’t do looping. Loopy Pro is a a very capable host even as a host only with the added plus of being able to create a custom work surface to control your AUv3 in ways neither Audiobus or AUM can.

  • busaudiobusaudio

    @wim said:
    Now all I have to deal with is having the stupid updates sitting in my App Store queue all the time. 😐

    I tried that already but it did not go well.
    It get's too complicated to skip just some Apps, over and over again.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2024

    @busaudio said:

    @wim said:
    Now all I have to deal with is having the stupid updates sitting in my App Store queue all the time. 😐

    I tried that already but it did not go well.
    It get's too complicated to skip just some Apps, over and over again.

    Yeh, I've ended up deleting the apps myself eventually. Even hiding the app in your purchased apps list doesn't remove them from the updates notification. 🙄

    It kind of makes me mad that they give the old

    Stability improvements and bug fixes.

    release notes cop out.

    Should at least be:

    Stability improvements, bug fixes
    Added marketing and other trackers. See privacy policy for details.

    I'm getting very close to being done with all their apps on principle, not especially because marketing trackers are that horrible.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2024

    Yeh. I'm annoyed enough. They're getting offloaded. Offloading is less drastic than deleting, but still removes them from the updates list.

    I may bring 'em back temporarily and restore the non tracker versions using iMazing from time to time if I really miss them enough. FM Player 2 is a tough one to completely give up. [ edit] Maybe not so much considering King of FM is still with good ol' Analog Matt. 😎

    I wish the new owners all the best, but I personally am out.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2024

    For reference, here are the apps to keep an eye on for updates adding trackers if anyone is concerned about it. The ones without a red X are clean so far.

    (Note: Digital D1 also has a marketing tracker. I can't confirm if the tracker was added in the 2024-11-13 update or if it was always there.)

    [edit] marketing tracker to added FM Player 2 on Dec 16, 2024

  • wimwim
    edited December 2024

    Hey all - here's something that may make the issue moot, or at least provide some level of assurance if you don't like being tracked.

    The wording of popup that comes when a new tracker is added to an app is ambiguous "Ask the app not to track...". However, in Device Settings > Privacy & Security > Tracking, the wording is clear:

    Allow Apps to Request to Track
    Allow apps to ask to track your activity across other companies' apps and websites. When this is off, all new app tracking requests are automatically denied.

    The further down there are settings for individual apps with the wording:

    Apps that have asked for permission to track your activity with an identifier will appear here. Tracking activity is blocked by apps that you've denied access to.

    ** emphasis mine.

    It would appear that Apple sufficiently has our back on this one. Aside from the apparent sneakiness (imo) of what Audiobus Pty Ltd is doing, it would seem there's nothing practical to be concerned about here provided these options are set properly. (If you trust Apple, that is.)

    Based on this, I'm no longer deleting any apps. I'm not buying new ones from the developer on personal principle though, based on my own impression of the lack of forthrightness about this. That's just me though.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    Has anyone contacted the developer to express their feelings about this? I recall that a developer that is popular here activated some features that triggered the tracking warning. They were blasted by people here who assumed ill intent — the developer was genuinely surprised as they didn’t have nefarious intentions. Once they became aware how bothered people were, they reversed course.

    I know absolutely zero about this developer, but it seems like it would be worth contacting them and expressing your concerns.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2024

    @espiegel123 said:
    Has anyone contacted the developer to express their feelings about this? I recall that a developer that is popular here activated some features that triggered the tracking warning. They were blasted by people here who assumed ill intent — the developer was genuinely surprised as they didn’t have nefarious intentions. Once they became aware how bothered people were, they reversed course.

    I know absolutely zero about this developer, but it seems like it would be worth contacting them and expressing your concerns.

    They don't supply any information I was able find earlier as to how to do that.
    (other than links to their social media sites, which I don't touch)

    Just now I found a privacy @ audiob.us email address somewhat buried on their web site though.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2024

    On a side note, with more detailed reading on Apple's privacy settings, it's not clear to me if developers are actively blocked from using such tracking info if you've once granted it but later revoked it, or if it is up to them to comply.

    It does seem clear enough that if you turn it off globally before they ask to track you, then they're blocked. I'd say that's a setting that anyone concerned with trackers should consider turning off sooner rather than later. It defaults to ON, I believe.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    Has anyone tried the Email Us button?

    https://audiob.us/support

  • wimwim
    edited December 2024

    @espiegel123 said:
    I know absolutely zero about this developer, but it seems like it would be worth contacting them and expressing your concerns.

    You're not wrong - but honestly I'd be completely flabbergasted if they aren't monitoring here considering they started their acquisitions with, and named their company after, the former brand name of this forum.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2024

    @espiegel123 said:
    Has anyone tried the Email Us button?

    https://audiob.us/support

    Ahhh. The the old cleverly disguised, very obvious button in plain sight trick! What will they ever think of next?

  • ecouecou
    edited December 2024

    @espiegel123 said:

    @ecou said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @ecou said:

    @wim said:

    @ecou said:

    @wim said:
    IMO they have a right to try to get some monetization from the app, and more power to them as long as they're not spamming ads in the app. They're very up front about it. It's not like it's hidden. In fact it's way more visible and forthright than the vast amount of tracking that goes on quietly behind virtually every website we visit every day. (I know, I monitor such things.)

    We have the right to not use Audiobus if we're not ok with the possibility of a little targeted advertising. In fact, I've decided to do just that. But I can't say I hold this against them.

    Audiobus is a paid app. Why should it have ads inside it ?

    Still no communication from the new owner. I am uninstalling.

    It doesn’t have ads in it. It could some day, but it doesn’t now.
    Imma probably uninstall too, but it’s best to avoid putting out misleading information.

    True

    Time to buy AUM, I guess.

    Or Loopy Pro. If you were using AudioBus as a host, Loopy Pro as a host is significantly more capable than AB as a host.

    I don’t do looping.

    Even if you don’t do looping. Loopy Pro is a a very capable host even as a host only with the added plus of being able to create a custom work surface to control your AUv3 in ways neither Audiobus or AUM can.

    I use Audiobus as a idea starter, when I have something I move it to Cubasis for expanding and finishing. I like Audiobus simplicity, It does not get in the way. So I am thinking AUM could be a good replacement. Do you think Loopy pro would be a better option? Because I tried the free trial and I had no idea what to do with that app. Apart from recording audio loop and I don’t like working in loops

    Also when I work in Audiobus it is all in midi. Most of my work is in midi except for my guitar until mixing. I am very happy with Cubasis and I don’t plan on leaving that part of my workflow.

    Do you still think Loopy is a good fit ?

    Also I bought NS2 while it was on sale and I have not dove in it yet. That could be another possible solution

  • espiegel123espiegel123
    edited December 2024

    @ecou said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @ecou said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @ecou said:

    @wim said:

    @ecou said:

    @wim said:
    IMO they have a right to try to get some monetization from the app, and more power to them as long as they're not spamming ads in the app. They're very up front about it. It's not like it's hidden. In fact it's way more visible and forthright than the vast amount of tracking that goes on quietly behind virtually every website we visit every day. (I know, I monitor such things.)

    We have the right to not use Audiobus if we're not ok with the possibility of a little targeted advertising. In fact, I've decided to do just that. But I can't say I hold this against them.

    Audiobus is a paid app. Why should it have ads inside it ?

    Still no communication from the new owner. I am uninstalling.

    It doesn’t have ads in it. It could some day, but it doesn’t now.
    Imma probably uninstall too, but it’s best to avoid putting out misleading information.

    True

    Time to buy AUM, I guess.

    Or Loopy Pro. If you were using AudioBus as a host, Loopy Pro as a host is significantly more capable than AB as a host.

    I don’t do looping.

    Even if you don’t do looping. Loopy Pro is a a very capable host even as a host only with the added plus of being able to create a custom work surface to control your AUv3 in ways neither Audiobus or AUM can.

    I use Audiobus as a idea starter, when I have something I move it to Cubasis for expanding and finishing. I like Audiobus simplicity, It does not get in the way. So I am thinking AUM could be a good replacement. Do you think Loopy pro would be a better option? Because I tried the free trial and I had no idea what to do with that app. Apart from recording audio loop and I don’t like working in loops

    Also when I work in Audiobus it is all in midi. Most of my work is in midi except for my guitar until mixing. I am very happy with Cubasis and I don’t plan on leaving that part of my workflow.

    Do you still think Loopy is a good fit ?

    I can’t say for sure whether you will love Loopy Pro but if Audiobus was a good fit, Loopy Pro does everything Audiobus could and has a more flexible mixer than Audiobus. Loopy has sends and buses that AB lacks.

    It lets you add buttons and sliders and knobs to control your AUs. Want a button to change a bunch of presets at once? You can have it. Want an x/y pad to control some AUs, you can add it. You can create work surfaces and have multiple pages.

    Want to record your jams and ideas to export to Cubasis, recording is built in whether you use the audio as loops or not.

    And retrospective recording is handy for capturing what you just played.

    Sorry if that came across as a hard sell. There’s just a lot to Loopy Pro that people don’t realize is there because of the name.

  • ZerozerozeroZerozerozero

    Is it possible to use Loopy with Xequence? Does it perform whatever midi timing magic Audiobus does to enable use with AUM? Does Loopy support multi out? Sorry about questions. Just interested in replacement if Audiobus dies a death.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Zerozerozero said:
    Is it possible to use Loopy with Xequence? Does it perform whatever midi timing magic Audiobus does to enable use with AUM? Does Loopy support multi out? Sorry about questions. Just interested in replacement if Audiobus dies a death.

    Loopy Pro can be used with Xequence. Loopy Pro doesn’t yet support multi-in/out audio plugins/effects though it is a high priority. (It won’t be in the initial 2.0 release that is happening soon-ish but the plan is to get it in soon afterwards).

  • wimwim

    @Zerozerozero said:
    Is it possible to use Loopy with Xequence? Does it perform whatever midi timing magic Audiobus does to enable use with AUM? Does Loopy support multi out? Sorry about questions. Just interested in replacement if Audiobus dies a death.

    Sure, it works great with Xequence 2. The timeline will even follow Xequence's timeline so if you, for instance, put an audio clip to run on bars four through eight in Loopy's timeline, when Xequence hits bar four, the clip will play in Loopy.

    Soon Loopy Pro will also have MIDI sequencing of its own. The piano roll isn't as refined as Xequence 2's yet, but it does have some nice tricks up its sleeve.

  • ZerozerozeroZerozerozero

    Thanks for responses @wim and @espiegel123
    Sounds like an alternative is very near. Will start researching Loopy 👍🏻

  • busaudiobusaudio

    I used AudioBus as my central hub for IAA / AudioBus Apps and now read that things get more difficult with this.
    In summary, I don't care about the other Apps from that new developer, but I really hate that Michael did give away AudioBus!

  • wimwim
    edited December 2024

    @busaudio said:
    I used AudioBus as my central hub for IAA / AudioBus Apps and now read that things get more difficult with this.
    In summary, I don't care about the other Apps from that new developer, but I really hate that Michael did give away AudioBus!

    The only added difficulty, and hopefully one that will be addressed, is you have to press a "continue" button when you start up the app.

  • Mountain_HamletMountain_Hamlet

    @espiegel123 said:

    @ecou said:
    Since the new développer as left no way to contact them in the App Store or anywhere I am aware. I went ahead and left a 1 star review.

    Maybe @Michael could ask him to get in touch with the community.

    The other apps have not yet been updated. They don’t have tracking so far.

    FWIW, leaving a one-star review is probably not the best way to get a developer’s attention. Quite a few developers that you probably like have mentioned that leaving one-star reviews is a great way to not be heard.

    If you are unable to find contact info for the developer, you might want to drop Michael a note about your concern and ask if he can help you get in touch with them.

    I thought an app developer has to provide some kind of contact info when the app is placed on the store. - could be wrong. Probably a good reason to avoid them if you can’t communicate with them.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Mountain_Hamlet said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @ecou said:
    Since the new développer as left no way to contact them in the App Store or anywhere I am aware. I went ahead and left a 1 star review.

    Maybe @Michael could ask him to get in touch with the community.

    The other apps have not yet been updated. They don’t have tracking so far.

    FWIW, leaving a one-star review is probably not the best way to get a developer’s attention. Quite a few developers that you probably like have mentioned that leaving one-star reviews is a great way to not be heard.

    If you are unable to find contact info for the developer, you might want to drop Michael a note about your concern and ask if he can help you get in touch with them.

    I thought an app developer has to provide some kind of contact info when the app is placed on the store. - could be wrong. Probably a good reason to avoid them if you can’t communicate with them.

    There is an Email Us button on their website. I have no idea if they respond. But it is not hidden.

  • wimwim

    There's also a prominent link to their privacy policy in-app, and an email for questions about the policy at the bottom of the privacy policy page.

  • Mountain_HamletMountain_Hamlet

    There is an Email Us button on their website. I have no idea if they respond. But it is not hidden.

    @wim said:
    There's also a prominent link to their privacy policy in-app, and an email for questions about the policy at the bottom of the privacy policy page.

    So, really this thread is a thread about nothing …..

    ….one thing that has been highlighted nicely for me though is that Loopy Pro really does take care of all this app and hardware connection stuff now - among other things. I’ve just got to discover how it works best for me. I think I get side tracked by donuts.

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