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I wouldn't say that. It has brought to light several clarifications about what trackers really are, what they do and how to defeat them. All of which is good data for people to make their own decisions about whether they want to continue to use the app ... that is, if someone cares enough about the subject to go beyond knee-jerk reactions.
Fair enough.
Hi,
Thank you for bringing up this topic.
To clarify, Audiobus only tracks a unique ID that is not linked to the personal identity of the user.
This tracking is solely for purposes like improving app functionality and ensuring a better user experience.
We prioritize user privacy and do not collect any data that could directly identify you.
If you'd like to understand more about how we manage data, you can visit the product page on the App Store, which provides additional information.
For full transparency, we also invite you to review our Privacy Policy (https://magic-cake-e95.notion.site/Audiobus-Privacy-Policy-14acf6557a08808ca1adc1d8a0e67223), where you'll find detailed explanations about what data is tracked and how it is handled.
If you have any further questions or concerns, feel free to ask!
Nice to hear from you @Audiobus_support.
I guess the biggest question in my mind is whether or not the data will be provided to third parties and/or used for advertising profiling. All the wording of the App Store and the privacy policy indicates that you can.
That’s not so terrible, though I avoid it in apps and web sites. I don’t like targeted advertising. Some people do. It would be helpful to have that clear so that people can make informed choices.
It’s clear that personally identifiable information is not collected, but as an IT professional, I know that the profiling information gleaned from even anonymous device id’s coupled with IP address and Web cookies is all being sucked up into information pools that can and do put together those linkages indirectly. I know enough and have seen enough of this first hand to prefer not to be profiled when possible.
FM Player 2 update today added a marketing tracker that can be used to track your usage across 3rd party sites and apps. Digital D1 update today has it too, but I don’t know when it was first added.
My two cents: to update an App that has been established for years, and without mention introducing trackers is completely unacceptable. Sad, but the era of Audiobus comes seemingly to an end with this kind of behaviour (for me, of course).
There‘s NO need for trackers here, all the Apps being updated with trackers go into the bin automatically.
Cheers and good luck.
@Audiobus_support Thank you for commenting and linking your privacy policy. I hope you are open to looking at these areas where it could be improved:
Data Collection and Usage
Specify types of data collected:
Explain data usage more thoroughly:
Address third-party data sharing:
User Rights and Controls
Include information on user rights:
Add details on data retention:
Accessibility and Transparency
Include last updated date:
Explain how users will be notified of changes:
i wonder if tracking would also be possible, if i don't update. just because the data might be within the app already and now it's just labeled officially.
I would not worry about that. Apple as to approuvé updates. If the code was in the app it would have triggered the warning.
Holding off updating also. @Audiobus_support
..wondering if a more personal message might help people understand where you’re at with the apps you’re acquiring? So far seems a bit copy/paste legal speak. Did send a message about bass808 still not working in host but not received a response.
Judging by thread seems like people are being left to assume not the best perhaps.
If people end up offloading these apps then not sure what purpose of exercise was?
Hope you can clarify/comment, thanks
VHS Synth got the tracking update as well… bummer.
I never used loopy pro for anything else then its mixer. Why? Because it‘s support for external midi controller is afaik better than anything else on the market (yes, AUM included)
I've never seen a privacy policy that mentions specifics down to the detail level suggested above, but it would be nice to know what type of data would be shared with 3rd parties and how. If not in the privacy policy, at least as a response here.
Audiobus could be a goldmine of marketing information. It knows every single IAA and AUv3 app on your system, and how often you use them.
I'm not thrilled about the idea that a web site I visit could have that information available. Not that it's harmful, in fact, some people are very comfortable with that idea. It just feels underhanded to me.
This forum is only a small slice of the customer base. This thread more so. Most people won't even notice. Fewer will care.
Could be. I don’t know the numbers in terms of how many views a thread gets.
Retro Piano now has it too.
Damn. I'm not happy about ditching that one. But with the persistent vagueness surrounding this, I'm going to offload (not delete) it for now.
These are all venerable apps that, for better or worse, were kind of on life support anyway. I totally get a new developer wanting to understand app usage patterns etc, but I'm afraid they're nuking the market value of the apps they acquired in the process. A smarter roll-out could've mitigated the damage here, but, even though I don't really think this is the case, the way in which it happened makes it feel like a typical "enshittification" process that so many acquired products go through.
@wim you may be right that the conversation happening here is a tiny ripple in a big lake, but I'm not 100% sure there, especially in the case of Audiobus. I think if you are an Audiobus user, there's a good chance you're at least aware of this forum. I would not be surprised to hear that a sizable portion of all the remaining Audiobus users are at least occasional visitors here.
The correct technical term is "bullshittification" ☝
Seriously though, enshittification is a term of art with a specific meaning. The term was coined by Cory Doctorow a couple of years ago and perfectly describes a lot of what is going on around us.
Oh. I don't know Cory and I thought you came up with the term yourself. Bullshittification™️ is indeed my own invention so I will continue to use it in the future 😃
@Audiobus_support Please can you share with us the details of how our data can now be tracked across which apps and websites and why? Your privacy policy does not make this clear.
@Michael @analog_matt Do you have ongoing communication with @Audiobus_support ? I worry they might be unintentionally tarnishing the good name that you have both built up for these brands over these many years which would be a real shame.
Just to be clear, they could do that with the innocuous:
Many, many apps have that and I'm fine with it.
They have purposefully gone a significant step further with
(emphasis mine)
I can only assume this is to potentially monetize data about our app usage by providing it to marketing tracking agencies. There isn't any other reason for tracking at that level that I can think of. No other music apps I have go that level.
That the new owner dipped in here and said something vague about the id tracking, then hasn't been back to answer any specific questions yet, doesn't give me a lot of confidence.
I'm going to take the time to contact them directly through the link on their privacy policy. They may have some level of legal responsibility to respond through that avenue.
As I noted earlier, in Device Privacy Settings, one can "Ask" apps not to track you. It's a little ambiguous as to whether that prevents all tracking, but people concerned about the subject should learn about those settings.
I’ve posted to the iOS Facebook groups as well that I’m uninstalling these apps until the developers can give us more information.
I'm only offloading them at this point so that if I change my mind or satisfy myself that Privacy Settings prevent tracking, I don't lose presets, etc.
(I also have the pre-tracking versions backed up with iMazing so I can fall back to them if I like.)
How does offloading work once you have agreed to the third party tracking I wonder?
If the app is offloaded, it isn't going to be used, and won't annoy you with App Store update notifications. It's impossible to do any tracking in the offloaded state, which is just like uninstalling except your presets, etc. are preserved.
Even if installed, the only way an app can track anything about you is if it's running. There might be an exception if General > Background App Refresh is enabled. That's probably another good place for people to educate themselves about if they're concerned about privacy.
Gross. iOS developers have to disclose this. Them disclosing it doesn't mean this isn't shady, it just means they understand Apple will reject the app/new build if they don't.
Other than that, Audiobus worked just fine without this. Want to make the app better? Talk to users.
I don't have> @wim said:
Bass 808 has the 3rd party capable tracker now. I guess we can assume they all will have it at this point. Not a huge big deal. Just an fyi.
I'm good with King of Bass to replace that one.
Note to self: Keep an eye out to see if they acquire other apps.
Well I guess I was originally right to assume the worst 🥲