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How do we encourage youthful take up of this hobby?

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  • If I can find the study, I will post it here. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen more than one study stating that the age of iOS music makers is indeed an aging group, with more than 50% being over 35 and that age seems to be rising. By all means disagree and post some studies to dispute this, but it’s not a reach really, as most studies show that many hobbies are finding it increasingly difficult to garner new uptake to their hobby. UK Angling is the same and while that market has grown in financial terms, the actual number of participants taking up the sport each year is decreasing.

    Yep, if I can find the studies, I will post them for others to read, but I’m not going to go to a lot of trouble, as some will just disagree anyway as is their right to :)

  • I’m constantly pushing iOS music apps to the young kids in my neighborhood. We have a pretty tight group of neighbors and have frequent gatherings at different houses. Whenever it’s my turn to host the kids always gravitate towards the studio. I’ll leave Push 3 set up with some fun sounds for them to play with, and inevitably the parents ask me what to get to help their kids get into music cheaply. Most have old iPhones, so it’s pretty easy to recommend some simple apps that let them get their feet wet with minimal investment.

    So far Note seems to be a favorite out of the ones I suggest, but I admit I’m biased and push that one hard too 😉

  • @Tarekith said:
    I’m constantly pushing iOS music apps to the young kids in my neighborhood. We have a pretty tight group of neighbors and have frequent gatherings at different houses. Whenever it’s my turn to host the kids always gravitate towards the studio. I’ll leave Push 3 set up with some fun sounds for them to play with, and inevitably the parents ask me what to get to help their kids get into music cheaply. Most have old iPhones, so it’s pretty easy to recommend some simple apps that let them get their feet wet with minimal investment.

    So far Note seems to be a favorite out of the ones I suggest, but I admit I’m biased and push that one hard too 😉

    I bet the lights help too. When our grandkids come around, they seem to like my hardware bits with the most lights lol....O and touch apps like TC 11

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    I pretty much know that the majority of people that post regularly here are of a certain age (50s plus). I’m not saying that young peeps are not on here, but that the majority of regular posters are, I think that’s pretty obvious, if not only by our tastes in music lol.

    Like most hobbies that have an aging user group, I do wonder what we could actively do here to encourage uptake in this hobby?

    Release a music creation app called "The DAW from 1989 - Taylor's Edition". Most youngsters will blindly buy up anything to do with Swift, and I don't mean the programming language. 😂

    I do think SOTMC and the LPF Challenges help encourage people posting, but is there anything we could actively do to encourage more younger peeps to be active on here and then encourage their peers to try some iOS music making?

    But in seriousness, I think making music into a sort of immersive game would get younger people invested. Given that it seems the largest form of entertainment these days isn't literature, music, or cinema, but rather videogames, which have elements of all three previously mentioned artforms. Most videogames have elements of literature (captions, script writing), cinematic elements (how the story unfolds), and music (can't have an epic Final Fantasy game without a proper score, can you?)

    And no…a grumpy old person comment about life will not help lol

    ...fuck. 😂

    Yeah that rhythm fighting game seemed to have been popular lately

  • edited December 2024

    I think posting more music that we actually make with the apps, how we do MIDI routing , audio tricks etc….. seeing the process with a YouTube screen recording … stuff like that would bring more people into it.

    I think a lot of people see this stuff on iOS and don’t realize how to string it all together. Its kinda complicated and not super inviting to someone newer to iOS or music making.

    I’m not even talking professional quality high edited content but just raw content that shows off what things can do,

    People love social media, and quick video posts more than reading now a days.

    Maybe even a discord where we can all chat and answer questions not specific to any one app could bring in more people.

    I think forums Like this are an older people thing. At least posting and not just reading… I’m 44 and i do forums, instagram and YouTube

  • @reasOne said:
    I think posting more music that we actually make with the apps, how we do MIDI routing , audio tricks etc….. seeing the process with a YouTube screen recording … stuff like that would bring more people into it.

    I think a lot of people see this stuff on iOS and don’t realize how to string it all together. Its kinda complicated and not super inviting to someone newer to iOS or music making.

    I’m not even talking professional quality high edited content but just raw content that shows off what things can do,

    People love social media, and quick video posts more than reading now a days.

    Maybe even a discord where we can all chat and answer questions not specific to any one app could bring in more people.

    I think forums Like this are an older people thing. At least posting and not just reading… I’m 44 and i do forums, instagram and YouTube

    Yep targeted short fun informative and on the right sites seems sensible thinking!

  • @reasOne said:
    I think posting more music that we actually make with the apps, how we do MIDI routing , audio tricks etc….. seeing the process with a YouTube screen recording … stuff like that would bring more people into it.

    Agreed.
    Seeing and hearing the music being created is more inviting.
    Looking at tutorials comes later.

    I think a lot of people see this stuff on iOS and don’t realize how to string it all together. Its kinda complicated and not super inviting to someone newer to iOS or music making.

    I’m not even talking professional quality high edited content but just raw content that shows off what things can do,

    Raw inspiration is the way forward.

    People love social media, and quick video posts more than reading now a days.

    Yup, for sure.

    Maybe even a discord where we can all chat and answer questions not specific to any one app could bring in more people.

    Agreed, talking about the music being created, how to create particular sounds, the music that they would like to create.
    Not everyone wants to talk about apps.

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    I pretty much know that the majority of people that post regularly here are of a certain age (50s plus). I’m not saying that young peeps are not on here, but that the majority of regular posters are, I think that’s pretty obvious, if not only by our tastes in music lol.

    Like most hobbies that have an aging user group, I do wonder what we could actively do here to encourage uptake in this hobby?

    Release a music creation app called "The DAW from 1989 - Taylor's Edition". Most youngsters will blindly buy up anything to do with Swift, and I don't mean the programming language. 😂

    I do think SOTMC and the LPF Challenges help encourage people posting, but is there anything we could actively do to encourage more younger peeps to be active on here and then encourage their peers to try some iOS music making?

    But in seriousness, I think making music into a sort of immersive game would get younger people invested. Given that it seems the largest form of entertainment these days isn't literature, music, or cinema, but rather videogames, which have elements of all three previously mentioned artforms. Most videogames have elements of literature (captions, script writing), cinematic elements (how the story unfolds), and music (can't have an epic Final Fantasy game without a proper score, can you?)

    And no…a grumpy old person comment about life will not help lol

    ...fuck. 😂

    Yeah that rhythm fighting game seemed to have been popular lately

    😂🤣

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    I pretty much know that the majority of people that post regularly here are of a certain age (50s plus). I’m not saying that young peeps are not on here, but that the majority of regular posters are, I think that’s pretty obvious, if not only by our tastes in music lol.

    Like most hobbies that have an aging user group, I do wonder what we could actively do here to encourage uptake in this hobby?

    Release a music creation app called "The DAW from 1989 - Taylor's Edition". Most youngsters will blindly buy up anything to do with Swift, and I don't mean the programming language. 😂

    I do think SOTMC and the LPF Challenges help encourage people posting, but is there anything we could actively do to encourage more younger peeps to be active on here and then encourage their peers to try some iOS music making?

    But in seriousness, I think making music into a sort of immersive game would get younger people invested. Given that it seems the largest form of entertainment these days isn't literature, music, or cinema, but rather videogames, which have elements of all three previously mentioned artforms. Most videogames have elements of literature (captions, script writing), cinematic elements (how the story unfolds), and music (can't have an epic Final Fantasy game without a proper score, can you?)

    And no…a grumpy old person comment about life will not help lol

    ...fuck. 😂

    Yeah that rhythm fighting game seemed to have been popular lately

    😂🤣

    Yeah ok so I'm an old out of touch git lol

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    I pretty much know that the majority of people that post regularly here are of a certain age (50s plus). I’m not saying that young peeps are not on here, but that the majority of regular posters are, I think that’s pretty obvious, if not only by our tastes in music lol.

    Like most hobbies that have an aging user group, I do wonder what we could actively do here to encourage uptake in this hobby?

    Release a music creation app called "The DAW from 1989 - Taylor's Edition". Most youngsters will blindly buy up anything to do with Swift, and I don't mean the programming language. 😂

    I do think SOTMC and the LPF Challenges help encourage people posting, but is there anything we could actively do to encourage more younger peeps to be active on here and then encourage their peers to try some iOS music making?

    But in seriousness, I think making music into a sort of immersive game would get younger people invested. Given that it seems the largest form of entertainment these days isn't literature, music, or cinema, but rather videogames, which have elements of all three previously mentioned artforms. Most videogames have elements of literature (captions, script writing), cinematic elements (how the story unfolds), and music (can't have an epic Final Fantasy game without a proper score, can you?)

    And no…a grumpy old person comment about life will not help lol

    ...fuck. 😂

    Yeah that rhythm fighting game seemed to have been popular lately

    😂🤣

    Yeah ok so I'm an old out of touch git lol

    I knew exactly which game you meant, so I'm right there with ya. 🤣

  • Another thing not to be forgotten is something outside our control, to some extent, which is the lack of an Apple affiliate program. Affiliate links are the lifeblood of marketing in the social media age, and Apple scrapping them in 2017 has really hobbled things. There are now very few YouTubers etc in the scene as a result, and online publications also don't post about iOS as much. I don't see any point writing to Apple to complain lol, they won't give a damn. But it is an important factor nevertheless, one worth being aware of.

  • I have synths, guitars, etc lying around the house. There’s music apps on my kids tablet, he’s 7. He interacts in his own time and way. He’s nearer one end of the asd spectrum than the other so if something clicks then it really clicks. The thing that clicked was sampling him. He finds it funny to change hear his voice and change his voice. Honestly, his turn of phrase is ripe for sampling.

    He’s a bit younger than what we’re talking about, but I’ve noticed that there are foundations here and things to learn from him.

    As @Fruitbat1919 said, encourage young kids to try!
    Find what it is they find fun and allow them to explore that.
    He loves visual media. Short, exciting, noisy, bullet point videos.
    ASD kid also displays many stereotypical behaviours so he loves lists.
    5 ways you can use transit to transform your track! (We both love alliteration.)
    3 ways microwave can work wonders with chill wave!
    1 wonderful way you can use oneshot to work wonders on your workflow!

    Clickbait yes. But he literally peering over my shoulders when these things are playing on my phone.

  • My child has made some killer beats with Gadget. It’s so easy to get started with, all it took was showing it was possible. Even jaded kids are easily impressed by things in their immediate vicinity :)

  • @squeals said:
    I have synths, guitars, etc lying around the house. There’s music apps on my kids tablet, he’s 7. He interacts in his own time and way. He’s nearer one end of the asd spectrum than the other so if something clicks then it really clicks. The thing that clicked was sampling him. He finds it funny to change hear his voice and change his voice. Honestly, his turn of phrase is ripe for sampling.

    He’s a bit younger than what we’re talking about, but I’ve noticed that there are foundations here and things to learn from him.

    As @Fruitbat1919 said, encourage young kids to try!
    Find what it is they find fun and allow them to explore that.
    He loves visual media. Short, exciting, noisy, bullet point videos.
    ASD kid also displays many stereotypical behaviours so he loves lists.
    5 ways you can use transit to transform your track! (We both love alliteration.)
    3 ways microwave can work wonders with chill wave!
    1 wonderful way you can use oneshot to work wonders on your workflow!

    Clickbait yes. But he literally peering over my shoulders when these things are playing on my phone.

    Yep all good stuff. I have been working on a track with our granddaughter speaking for an age now. She thinks it's funny when she hears her own voice. Yes to the clickbait, but it obviously works, so worth keeping in mind.

  • @Darkstring said:
    My child has made some killer beats with Gadget. It’s so easy to get started with, all it took was showing it was possible. Even jaded kids are easily impressed by things in their immediate vicinity :)

    That's why I wish they would make more of an effort in local schools. My wife has worked in schools for most her life and she admits that while she loves teaching art, schools in general are not very good these days at promoting arts (including music) in schools. This obviously is just hearsay and I have little proof of this beyond a few poor Internet studies. I'm sure that many countries take the arts more seriously as studies than England seemingly does.

    I tried to figure out a way to get the money together to help promote ios music making in .local schools, but since my personal circumstances changed some years back, that all had to be dropped. I just remember after seeing how expensive it was going to be to start up and how the economic viability seemed pretty poor, I'm not surprised no one else cared to try at least locally anyway.

  • edited December 2024

    I think the answer is obvious.

    We invade Tik Tok for a day, making sure to condense your best work into a 7.87 second format with accompanying video playing inside a fridge or with a pizza on your head and banana up your nose.

  • @deadpoetlive said:
    I think the answer is obvious.

    We invade Tik Tok for a day, making sure to condense your best work into a 7.87 second format with accompanying video playing inside a fridge or with a pizza on your head and banana up your nose.

    Hmm possibly some merit in that.....but sure 7.87 second format isn't too long?

  • edited December 2024

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @deadpoetlive said:
    I think the answer is obvious.

    We invade Tik Tok for a day, making sure to condense your best work into a 7.87 second format with accompanying video playing inside a fridge or with a pizza on your head and banana up your nose.

    Hmm possibly some merit in that.....but sure 7.87 second format isn't too long?

    Funniest things I read all day, lol.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @deadpoetlive said:
    I think the answer is obvious.

    We invade Tik Tok for a day, making sure to condense your best work into a 7.87 second format with accompanying video playing inside a fridge or with a pizza on your head and banana up your nose.

    Hmm possibly some merit in that.....but sure 7.87 second format isn't too long?

    Funniest things I read all day, lol.

    I think our next challenge should be a short track challenge :D

  • Hmm possibly some merit in that.....but sure 7.87 second format isn't too long?

    To paraphrase my mrs. If 7.87 was too long, onlyfansummers would be doing a roaring trade in 4.2 second videos.

  • :D > @squeals said:

    Hmm possibly some merit in that.....but sure 7.87 second format isn't too long?

    To paraphrase my mrs. If 7.87 was too long, onlyfansummers would be doing a roaring trade in 4.2 second videos.

    Lmao this is quickly going downhill

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @deadpoetlive said:
    I think the answer is obvious.

    We invade Tik Tok for a day, making sure to condense your best work into a 7.87 second format with accompanying video playing inside a fridge or with a pizza on your head and banana up your nose.

    Hmm possibly some merit in that.....but sure 7.87 second format isn't too long?

    Funniest things I read all day, lol.

    I think our next challenge should be a short track challenge :D

    Actually that may not be such a bad idea. A 30 second-2 minute music challenge for January, that's app-agnostic. Rather than an app constraint, use a time constraint. :) Thanks for the idea mate.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @deadpoetlive said:
    I think the answer is obvious.

    We invade Tik Tok for a day, making sure to condense your best work into a 7.87 second format with accompanying video playing inside a fridge or with a pizza on your head and banana up your nose.

    Hmm possibly some merit in that.....but sure 7.87 second format isn't too long?

    Funniest things I read all day, lol.

    I think our next challenge should be a short track challenge :D

    Actually that may not be such a bad idea. A 30 second-2 minute music challenge for January, that's app-agnostic. Rather than an app constraint, use a time constraint. :) Thanks for the idea mate.

    Yep up for that :)

  • I think our next challenge should be a short track challenge :D

    Luckily, I always have a short one at hand 😜

    https://on.soundcloud.com/WgN73j1HSur9BexU9

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    :D > @squeals said:

    Hmm possibly some merit in that.....but sure 7.87 second format isn't too long?

    To paraphrase my mrs. If 7.87 was too long, onlyfansummers would be doing a roaring trade in 4.2 second videos.

    Lmao this is quickly going downhill

    That viral only fans girl who is getting lots of sympathy for feeling bad after sleeping with 100 guys in a day felt so bad she has now said (against the advice of doctors) has said she now wants to beat the world record(?????) and sleep with 1000 guys in a day.

    Now I haven't done the maths but what about a short form music soundtrack challenge......

    How's that for downhill... ;-)

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @deadpoetlive said:
    I think the answer is obvious.

    We invade Tik Tok for a day, making sure to condense your best work into a 7.87 second format with accompanying video playing inside a fridge or with a pizza on your head and banana up your nose.

    Hmm possibly some merit in that.....but sure 7.87 second format isn't too long?

    Funniest things I read all day, lol.

    I think our next challenge should be a short track challenge :D

    Actually that may not be such a bad idea. A 30 second-2 minute music challenge for January, that's app-agnostic. Rather than an app constraint, use a time constraint. :) Thanks for the idea mate.

    Yep up for that :)

    Nooooooooo....we are being dragged into the contemporary dark ambient zone......helppp...

  • @deadpoetlive said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    :D > @squeals said:

    Hmm possibly some merit in that.....but sure 7.87 second format isn't too long?

    To paraphrase my mrs. If 7.87 was too long, onlyfansummers would be doing a roaring trade in 4.2 second videos.

    Lmao this is quickly going downhill

    That viral only fans girl who is getting lots of sympathy for feeling bad after sleeping with 100 guys in a day felt so bad she has now said (against the advice of doctors) has said she now wants to beat the world record(?????) and sleep with 1000 guys in a day.

    Now I haven't done the maths but what about a short form music soundtrack challenge......

    How's that for downhill... ;-)

    With video? :D

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @deadpoetlive said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    :D > @squeals said:

    Hmm possibly some merit in that.....but sure 7.87 second format isn't too long?

    To paraphrase my mrs. If 7.87 was too long, onlyfansummers would be doing a roaring trade in 4.2 second videos.

    Lmao this is quickly going downhill

    That viral only fans girl who is getting lots of sympathy for feeling bad after sleeping with 100 guys in a day felt so bad she has now said (against the advice of doctors) has said she now wants to beat the world record(?????) and sleep with 1000 guys in a day.

    Now I haven't done the maths but what about a short form music soundtrack challenge......

    How's that for downhill... ;-)

    With video? :D

    Well it would hardly be a soundtrack otherwise...

  • @deadpoetlive said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @deadpoetlive said:
    I think the answer is obvious.

    We invade Tik Tok for a day, making sure to condense your best work into a 7.87 second format with accompanying video playing inside a fridge or with a pizza on your head and banana up your nose.

    Hmm possibly some merit in that.....but sure 7.87 second format isn't too long?

    Funniest things I read all day, lol.

    I think our next challenge should be a short track challenge :D

    Actually that may not be such a bad idea. A 30 second-2 minute music challenge for January, that's app-agnostic. Rather than an app constraint, use a time constraint. :) Thanks for the idea mate.

    Yep up for that :)

    Nooooooooo....we are being dragged into the contemporary dark ambient zone......helppp...

    Lol. Or short-form Pop track form. :lol: Basically a quick intro, a chorus, maybe a synth solo, and then an outro. Seems to be par for the course of many Pop tracks these days. I remember when Pop music tracks were becoming longer with each passing year pre-social media. Now modern Pop tracks are (mostly) becoming shorter with each passing year. You could jolly well make a quick hit. :lol:

  • Benny hill theme remix incoming

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