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Really tired of censorship on this forum
Now i got really pissed … This censorship here is really annoying, i really not understand why was topic about recent events in NJ closed, there is nothing weong on discussinh such topic..
I am going to leave this forum for a while, to rethink if i want to keep being active in such censoeship heavy enviroment .. really disgusted ..
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I know and agree about the censorship being overboard.
As did @LinearLineman too.
Hard agree here…
Yes.
I just got done reading the “drone” thread. I assume it was closed due to an antagonistic exchange, but it seemed pretty minor.
In any case, this forum is the only social media that I read - everything else is too inflammatory.
How is a thread about ufos and drones relevant in an iOS music forum? There are plenty of places on the internet to read about that stuff.
Moderators doing a great job here IMO.
I enjoy those topics as well but I guess from a moderator point of view the message is clear.
"This community is all about making music, with a focus on the iOS music world. Please keep all content related to music and music-making."
Well, I hope you come back to answer any Nanstudio 2 questions or chime in NS2 discussions. It is much appreciated.
I think the underlying message with the thread closures in general is 'This forum is about being positive, nice and chill.' Even threads about music and apps that get fighty/scrappy get closed or sunk.
I think that off topic, controversial threads should be closed here. Better yet, they shouldn’t be started. It’s not the place for it. The various argumentative threads about politics that were rife during the pandemic did lasting damage to the vibe here. This does not need to be a general purpose discussion forum, there are other places for that. This forum only has a handful of mods, all unpaid, and it is unfair to expect them to waste time monitoring and dealing with stuff that has zero relevance to an iOS music production forum.
Actually, though, bans being administered too liberally is the major problem I see with this forum in recent times. Is there a mute function? That would be preferable. If someone is out of line, mute them for a day or a week or whatever. Banning should always be a last resort and hold generally be preceded by warnings. To be clear btw, I did not play any part in asking for that NJ Drones thread to be closed.
This is exactly it. I too enjoy those kind of subjects, but this is an iOS music forum and those who run it have asked frequently to keep it “on topic”. It’s not censorship, it’s just running the forum the way it’s been asked to be run.
Yep.
How is a topic about drones controversial?
And yet the inane ‘ The “That’s what she said” thread’ full of sexual innuendo remains.
Bizarre.
I see it as more of a village, and we should be able to talk about many things, and agree or disagree in a civil manner without people taking offence or feeling marginalised. We might get out of hand from time to time, but in the end we all know each other more than those other places on the net and because of that, there’s at least grudging respect for differences of opinion, forgiveness, and understanding. I find it a great shame that we’re unable to do much of that these days, and it’s definitely reduced my willingness to participate as that feeling of community is rare. (Though I have also been distracted by the harshness of the economic environment the last two years to really indulge in as much music making as the previous four, so perhaps that’s part of it…)
Agree about the “That’s what she said” thread. Every time I see it pop up, I cringe (facepalm, unintentional “that’s what she said” joke). I mean, do we really need a thread that is so juvenile, borderline hostile? Not very welcoming to the (probably) few female members of the forum. I get it - people just want to joke around. Can there not be threads where strange shit is discussed - drones, ufos, etc.?
I find it really strange that weird ass offhand sexual innuendo that borders on non-consent jokes and technological masturbation is totally cool, but the second something broaches into geopolitics, conspiracy or national security there's a problem.
I can totally get with the thrust of your argument.
Whatever.
Edit: I observe that the drone thread wasn’t deleted, just closed. That barely rises to the level of “censorship.”
All these could be a problem it really depends how the subject matter is approached as @AudioGus stated above.
Censorship is the suppression of speech, closing a thread is certainly suppression of the subject matter surely.
I posted the initial thread about the NJ drones.
I like to ferret out and speculate upon weird shit, for fun, and I frequently use such things as inspirations for my own noises. (Indeed there is one such topic, ‘The Hum’, which recently made it to tv as the basis for a semi supernatural thriller series. The subject has long been an interest of mine, about which I had thought to post something, but….)
…Perhaps mistakenly, I assume that some others here might also find these Fortean excursions interesting, and in the past, the conversations which have developed in similar threads I have initiated have led to others pointing me at music, movies and so on which I have found interesting and mind expanding.
And, frankly, since this Forum and SoundCloud are the only social media I participate in, I have nowhere else to share these speculations.
But now it seems that such flights of fancy are officially frowned upon. Which seems to leave this forum as a dry, sterile place in which only the merits of the latest ‘insta buys’ are to be safely discussed under the ever present but unpredictable shadow of the ban hammer. Which makes it about as interesting as reading the review section of the Amazon website.
Posted in haste, before this thread gets closed down for being off topic.
As @Svetlovska correctly states the subject of UFO’s or UAP’s and so on run throughout modern culture, if one cares to look perhaps even ancient cultures from across the globe, to think this subject is of no value in regards to artistic representation doesn’t hold much merit.
What I don’t get… is why people who don’t like a given thread topic… don’t simply skip it?
I have never even clicked on the “that’s what she said” thread. Not because of any offense, but because it doesn’t interest me. Yet, I don’t care that it’s there for those it does interest.
Was only marginally interested in the UFO one, so I skimmed it, made a couple comments, then moved on.
The incendiary political stuff probably should always get the hammer dropped, but sometimes I have to wonder if some people make otherwise benign threads political intentionally just to get threads killed that they don’t like.
I mean, many of the music threads about apps that aren’t my jam… that go on many pages don’t interest me either. I just don’t click on those.
I wonder why users can’t basically skip over or completely ignore the threads they’re not interested in, and instead want them closed or removed so that no one else can read them either?
I’m sure moderation is not easy… I wouldn’t make a good one for sure.
If it was up to me, I’d let pretty much everything stay except those that get politically hostile, and let the users self threads they aren’t interested in reading or participating in.
While I agree that perhaps a music forum run by one guy in Australia and moderated by less than a handful is not the place for in-depth talks, I do disagree on the ban hammering of discussion when it’s not escalating past disagreement or mildly butthurt.
I can’t wait till global matters that affect us all don’t get at least mentioned much less discussed… to me that’s how fractured media gets exploited by those with ill intent, and how people remain oblivious and unawares as to others view or opinions. Granted this is not a news site or a larger forum for discussion like Reddit
@Svetlovska I always enjoy your flights of intellect and fancy. If this place becomes too dry for you, might I recommend exploring the fediverse? You may find a fit. There’s a lot of smart and weird out there.
@knewspeak Censorship is more prior constraint and post-facto erasure, and meaningful suppression usually involves punishment. Neither of which have any bearing here.
This place is someone’s pub. The proprietor runs the joint. Have an ale and vibe.
Agree completely.
/DMfan🇸🇪
That’s what I’m saying! There’s a few people here that like to start rukas and argue but over all we have a great community. And if i see a post about an app or off topic that isn’t my cup of tea i just skip it lol why bother with those that do tho as long as its civil.
Actually, I do not think this forum is about music making. It is about how to make sounds using apps and an iPad. The attenuation of tolerance for anything artistic over the past year or so, whether finished tracks or artistic discussion about how to create music is clearly at an end (see my Honest Man thread, in which there was a disagreement with @Simon about its appropriateness was handled with total civility between Simon and me was obviously flagged, but not closed).
Politics is one thing but helping each other get information on how to overcome musical difficulties (not finishing tracks, for example) should be relevant if, indeed, people are actually interested in making music. My Honest Man post was relevant to that. I’ve also posted videos about philosophers, like Schopenhauer, who talk about human suffering, which, again I feel is relevant to artistic creation.
That’s why I say this forum (which used to tolerate such discussions) is not about art in any form, and specifically not about making music). It is more like a forum dedicated to chisels rather than sculpture.
I have no problem with that. But, for me, everything I loved about this place is now kind of phony if you’re talking about making music (exceptions, of course. @richardyot and the SOTMC and a handful of talented creators who actually put iOS to the higher artistic purposes it is capable of.)
I definitely think it is a result of the times we live in. Either it is people who are so frazzled by the discord in the world and do not have the self discipline to ignore such stuff, or others who truly want to repress, censor and stifle voices that disagree with them or the purposes they judge themselves to be the ultimate arbiters of.
This was not always the case here. Yes it was sometimes messy (just as waning democracy is messy) but when even talking about the human creative endeavor is too upsetting for a handful and they control the content (not talking about the mods) I find it anathematic to the free spirit of musical creation.
A totally tech forum is fine, but do not try to dress it up as something that is remotely related to “making music” or in the interest of what those who do make music actually need from a place like this. A place that, when I stumbled upon it, actually cared about the struggles of other members, whether in music or in life. That’s what made this place exceptional, IMO. Now it is simply a resource for technical information and joins the ranks of all similarly motivated fora.
There was a thread recently about how to attract younger minds. Have you noticed no one asks noob questions about iOS anymore? I asked every basic question in the book and never was looked down upon. People seemed to sense this was a loving place. Ask yourself why this once “important” and welcoming resource has seemingly lost its relevance for beginners.
Still, go for it, guys. Nothing lasts forever. Personally, however, my contributions here are no longer relevant, and my particular needs as an iOS music creator are no longer addressed. In addition, I almost never get a good laugh here anymore and my imagination is rarely stimulated or even entertained. Maybe that’s the saddest thing, for me, about all this.
Thank you to all those I have come to love here for their generous support (yes, tech support especially) and wonderful, finished creations. Please reach out to me in DM in the next few days if you care to discuss possibilities or wish to continue a friendly discourse).
Hail and Farewell, chums. It was a great experience and made it possible for me to do what I thought was impossible. I wish you all well.
^ this.
If people don’t want to read about UFO’s or other esoterica, do what I do with the Benny Hill-esque ‘what she said’ tits, knobs & knockers thread, and ignore it. Instead of trashing and then demanding it’s closure.
@garden definition of censorship taken from Wikipedia, which is derived from three definitions.
Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. This may be done on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient".
Source for context.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship
@LinearLineman +1000