Really tired of censorship on this forum

catherder

I have no problems with discussing controversial subjects if it’s done in a mature, civilised way. But I fully agree about what people say about the “That’s what SHE said” thread. For me a music related forum should be welcoming and inclusive. I wonder why the moderators have kept this thread that contains in my opinion openly misogynistic posts alive. I would actually not just close this thread, but remove it.

skiphunt

@LinearLineman I understand where you are right now, but I hope you reconsider. You have been one of the most well-rounded contributors to this site since I joined over a decade ago. You share your art, knowledge, and tend to post great, thought provoking threads like your recent video thread.

I hope you decide to stick around.

Gavinski

@skiphunt said:
@LinearLineman I understand where you are right now, but I hope you reconsider. You have been one of the most well-rounded contributors to this site since I joined over a decade ago. You share your art, knowledge, and tend to post great, thought provoking threads like your recent video thread.

I hope you decide to stick around.

Absolutely. You'd be missed Mike, big time

knewspeak

@skiphunt said:
@LinearLineman I understand where you are right now, but I hope you reconsider. You have been one of the most well-rounded contributors to this site since I joined over a decade ago. You share your art, knowledge, and tend to post great, thought provoking threads like your recent video thread.

I hope you decide to stick around.

While I haven’t always agreed with @LinearLineman I have nothing but respect for his viewpoints and most definitely his music and spirit.

jwmmakerofmusic

@Gavinski said:

@skiphunt said:
@LinearLineman I understand where you are right now, but I hope you reconsider. You have been one of the most well-rounded contributors to this site since I joined over a decade ago. You share your art, knowledge, and tend to post great, thought provoking threads like your recent video thread.

I hope you decide to stick around.

Absolutely. You'd be missed Mike, big time

I agree 100% that you'd be missed Mike. Hoping you reconsider.

Gravity

@rheslip said:
How is a thread about ufos and drones relevant in an iOS music forum? There are plenty of places on the internet to read about that stuff.

Moderators doing a great job here IMO.

This 100%.

All lamenting about "supression of free speech" can easily arrange to meet somewhere else. There are myriads of platforms, social media and other stuff.

What I like about this forum is the fact that it's 100% about the topic I'm here for: making music on iOS.

Goldiblockz

When people leave, they come back if the vibe comes back. It's rare on forums in my experience, but it is possible.

This is a focused forum based on technical knowledge and discussions. You have to let people bicker off-topic if you want actual community.

Community is not sterile, community is not all-in agreement. Community is about discussion and building bridges, relating to others experiences and seeing how their life is their workflow. Closing threads haphazardly seems to go against that mission.

Is this supposed to be a community, or a technical support forum / advertising platform?

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NoiseHorse

To me this has always been the place to discuss iOS music apps and things related like songs created via those apps. I guess a way to branch into other subjects would to write an iOS song about whatever topic and sing it here… ???….

Goldiblockz

@NoiseHorse said:
To me this has always been the place to discuss iOS music apps and things related like songs created via those apps. I guess a way to branch into other subjects would to write an iOS song about whatever topic and sing it here… ???….

This is my train of thought too.

Would my thread get closed if I posted a politically charged piece of music?

AlexY

I propose that all potentially off topic and controversial threads be conducted in an MC/Rap battle format so they can be on topic.

Not meaning to undermine the concerns by being cheeky. I too was surprised at that thread being closed since it seemed relatively civil and levelheaded.

On the other hand, being a mod is hard and often a thankless task. Maybe the mod that closed it wanted to prevent a spiral into controversy. Not sure how the previous thread on the topic went so I lack the context to really judge.

cyberheater

@LinearLineman

Hope you’ll stay but wishing you the best if you do leave. Always loved your music and your thought provoking conversations.

DMfan

@Gravity said:

@rheslip said:
How is a thread about ufos and drones relevant in an iOS music forum? There are plenty of places on the internet to read about that stuff.

Moderators doing a great job here IMO.

This 100%.

All lamenting about "supression of free speech" can easily arrange to meet somewhere else. There are myriads of platforms, social media and other stuff.

What I like about this forum is the fact that it's 100% about the topic I'm here for: making music on iOS.

+1

/DMfan🇸🇪

michael_m

@rheslip said:
How is a thread about ufos and drones relevant in an iOS music forum? There are plenty of places on the internet to read about that stuff.

Moderators doing a great job here IMO.

Yes, there is a plethora of places to discuss things that are discouraged by the forum rules, so I’m not sure what motivates people to consistently use this forum for shitposting. (And of course creating a headache for the moderators, who I agree always do a great job).

knewspeak

@Goldiblockz said:

@NoiseHorse said:
To me this has always been the place to discuss iOS music apps and things related like songs created via those apps. I guess a way to branch into other subjects would to write an iOS song about whatever topic and sing it here… ???….

This is my train of thought too.

Would my thread get closed if I posted a politically charged piece of music?

It could.

knewspeak

@michael_m said:

@rheslip said:
How is a thread about ufos and drones relevant in an iOS music forum? There are plenty of places on the internet to read about that stuff.

Moderators doing a great job here IMO.

Yes, there is a plethora of places to discuss things that are discouraged by the forum rules, so I’m not sure what motivates people to consistently use this forum for shitposting. (And of course creating a headache for the moderators, who I agree always do a great job).

Second WOW of the day.

Paulieworld

@LinearLineman I hope you’re not leaving. I was hoping to do another collaboration one of these days. Intervention of Angels was one of my favorites. I rarely stray from the Creations thread and tend to keep my opinions to myself. However, I love to talk about music and food. We had Datiles Con Tocino (bacon wrapped dates). Bacon is the king of meat. Your music is like bacon… and butter!

Gravity

@michael_m said:

@rheslip said:
How is a thread about ufos and drones relevant in an iOS music forum? There are plenty of places on the internet to read about that stuff.

Moderators doing a great job here IMO.

Yes, there is a plethora of places to discuss things that are discouraged by the forum rules, so I’m not sure what motivates people to consistently use this forum for shitposting. (And of course creating a headache for the moderators, who I agree always do a great job).

100%.

tahiche

@skiphunt said:
What I don’t get… is why people who don’t like a given thread topic… don’t simply skip it?

💯
I actually had a look at the drone ufo thread, I had no idea what it was about. Took 10 seconds to figure I wasn’t interested. What’s the harm?. I do get that this is a forum about iOS music and apps, it is 90% of the times. But sometimes topics wonder off or there’s ramifications.
I clearly remember a “no money/pricing talk” on a thread about a Teenage Engineering product. Well money is a big part of it. And Apple’s app sandboxing or closed system is politics. And the missing headphone jack has to do with capitalistic driven decisions… so it’s all tied together. Unless things get aggressive, offensive or rude just let people do their thing. We can just skip past it.

RajahP

@rheslip said:
How is a thread about ufos and drones relevant in an iOS music forum? There are plenty of places on the internet to read about that stuff.

Moderators doing a great job here IMO.

GrooveRider 2 is why UFO and Drones MUST be discussed..
Jim Audio may be from another Planet…

pedro

I’m not in favor of censorship of any kind, but ffs this is a free forum, devoted to audiobus originally, then to all things mobile music related, then apparently to world events and anything anyone has any opinion about.
Wtf? Can’t you just go to facebook or reddit or shitter and keep the forum clean and faithful to its intent, which is clearly stated at the top, and Michael so generously provides? Our comments cost him money, you know? (mine included)

oldsynthguy

Blipsford_Baubie

@Gravity said:

@michael_m said:

@rheslip said:
How is a thread about ufos and drones relevant in an iOS music forum? There are plenty of places on the internet to read about that stuff.

Moderators doing a great job here IMO.

Yes, there is a plethora of places to discuss things that are discouraged by the forum rules, so I’m not sure what motivates people to consistently use this forum for shitposting. (And of course creating a headache for the moderators, who I agree always do a great job).

100%.

The only people creating headaches for the moderators are the SNOWFLAKES.

@LinearLineman said:

@cyberheater said:
I enjoy those topics as well but I guess from a moderator point of view the message is clear.

"This community is all about making music, with a focus on the iOS music world. Please keep all content related to music and music-making."

Actually, I do not think this forum is about music making. It is about how to make sounds using apps and an iPad. The attenuation of tolerance for anything artistic over the past year or so, whether finished tracks or artistic discussion about how to create music is clearly at an end (see my Honest Man thread, in which there was a disagreement with @Simon about its appropriateness was handled with total civility between Simon and me was obviously flagged, but not closed).

Politics is one thing but helping each other get information on how to overcome musical difficulties (not finishing tracks, for example) should be relevant if, indeed, people are actually interested in making music. My Honest Man post was relevant to that. I’ve also posted videos about philosophers, like Schopenhauer, who talk about human suffering, which, again I feel is relevant to artistic creation.

That’s why I say this forum (which used to tolerate such discussions) is not about art in any form, and specifically not about making music). It is more like a forum dedicated to chisels rather than sculpture.

I have no problem with that. But, for me, everything I loved about this place is now kind of phony if you’re talking about making music (exceptions, of course. @richardyot and the SOTMC and a handful of talented creators who actually put iOS to the higher artistic purposes it is capable of.)

I definitely think it is a result of the times we live in. Either it is people who are so frazzled by the discord in the world and do not have the self discipline to ignore such stuff, or others who truly want to repress, censor and stifle voices that disagree with them or the purposes they judge themselves to be the ultimate arbiters of.

This was not always the case here. Yes it was sometimes messy (just as waning democracy is messy) but when even talking about the human creative endeavor is too upsetting for a handful and they control the content (not talking about the mods) I find it anathematic to the free spirit of musical creation.

A totally tech forum is fine, but do not try to dress it up as something that is remotely related to “making music” or in the interest of what those who do make music actually need from a place like this. A place that, when I stumbled upon it, actually cared about the struggles of other members, whether in music or in life. That’s what made this place exceptional, IMO. Now it is simply a resource for technical information and joins the ranks of all similarly motivated fora.

There was a thread recently about how to attract younger minds. Have you noticed no one asks noob questions about iOS anymore? I asked every basic question in the book and never was looked down upon. People seemed to sense this was a loving place. Ask yourself why this once “important” and welcoming resource has seemingly lost its relevance for beginners.

Still, go for it, guys. Nothing lasts forever. Personally, however, my contributions here are no longer relevant, and my particular needs as an iOS music creator are no longer addressed. In addition, I almost never get a good laugh here anymore and my imagination is rarely stimulated or even entertained. Maybe that’s the saddest thing, for me, about all this.

Thank you to all those I have come to love here for their generous support (yes, tech support especially) and wonderful, finished creations. Please reach out to me in DM in the next few days if you care to discuss possibilities or wish to continue a friendly discourse).

Hail and Farewell, chums. It was a great experience and made it possible for me to do what I thought was impossible. I wish you all well.

@Goldiblockz said:
When people leave, they come back if the vibe comes back. It's rare on forums in my experience, but it is possible.

This is a focused forum based on technical knowledge and discussions. You have to let people bicker off-topic if you want actual community.

Community is not sterile, community is not all-in agreement. Community is about discussion and building bridges, relating to others experiences and seeing how their life is their workflow. Closing threads haphazardly seems to go against that mission.

Is this supposed to be a community, or a technical support forum / advertising platform?

AGREED

and agree with you @skiphunt regarding not going through the front door if you know it’s not your kind of place (metaphorically paraphrased).

Agree with you @LinearLineman
This place had the same fate as SNL.

jo92346

@LinearLineman

Actually, I do not think this forum is about music making. It is about how to make sounds using apps and an iPad.

That’s why I say this forum (which used to tolerate such discussions) is not about art in any form, and specifically not about making music). It is more like a forum dedicated to chisels rather than sculpture.

Personally, however, my contributions here are no longer relevant, and my particular needs as an iOS music creator are no longer addressed.

I feel you brother. Same here.
Same causes same consequences. I wrote yesterday I wouldn’t post anything new here after finishing my last little project.

Pxlhg

This shit makes me sad and put me in a real bad mood.

Hel

Threads about UFO’s /conspiracies at their core are about belief. Does it really come as a surprise that these discussions end up closed down , just like a thread about religion or politics would ?

bluegroove

I don't have a problem with it being closed for the simple fact that it's pretty much impossible to have a discussion like that these days without politics coming into the mix, and they were even on page 1 (a comment about the state of the border over "the last 4 years" is just a political talking point, plus speculations about the government withholding info from us, etc.). So it's no surprise it got closed. There are plenty of other places to talk about that stuff imho.

reasOne

I have an iOS discord i started long ago that we could use to go off and on topic in further discussions if anyone is interested.
I’ve never invited anyone but i just started it so if that need ever arose.
We would probably need some Mods, incase of ugly but I’m an anti censorship kinda fella

https://discord.gg/mVkGgKrM

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

Forums about software and technical issues are useful and essential. But also very boring and not conducive to community-building.

The less sense of community, the less traffic. The less sense of community, the fewer people who are willing to help noobs and idiots like me.

For a forum about software to thrive, there needs to be a sense of community. And that cannot happen if all we talk about is bugs and apps and which apps made which sounds on my latest track.

And I say this as someone who pretty much never participates in politics or culture war arguments, and who skips right past them when I see them come up.

Gavinski

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
Forums about software and technical issues are useful and essential. But also very boring and not conducive to community-building.

The less sense of community, the less traffic. The less sense of community, the fewer people who are willing to help noobs and idiots like me.

For a forum about software to thrive, there needs to be a sense of community. And that cannot happen if all we talk about is bugs and apps and which apps made which sounds on my latest track.

And I say this as someone who pretty much never participates in politics or culture war arguments, and who skips right past them when I see them come up.

That is a very valid point. Thing is, it has been shown again and again here that politics- and culture-war-related discussions here often don't end well.

I don't think that thread today was very inflammatory btw or that anyone was particularly out of line. There were differences of opinion and there were definitely differences of interpretation regarding motives etc. I don't know why the mods deleted it, I guess it was a pre-emptive strike and they're just tired of dealing with the aggro that these kinds of threads generate.