Any way to delete Apple effects?

Samu

Why delete them?! Most of them are actually pretty handy, especially the AUDynamicsProcessor that can act as a combined gate/downward-expander, compressor/limiter.

But sure, when sorting after 'Company' it would be handy to open/close each 'Company' as a folder...

Crabman

I keep my ipads very clean. Although i bought a lot of plugins over the years, just recently i deleted a lot of them. I keep only what i really need. The apple AU doesn‘t belong to them. And my list was short enough to ignore the search box.

oldsynthguy

@wim said:
search box. type two or three letters. done.

Yeah, but the problem for old folks like me, is I can rarely remember the name of the darned app I’m looking for, but usually I’ll remember who made it (ah, it was a SugarBytes thing…right…).

Plus I have so many of the things making the list even longer to scroll through isn’t helping.

I don’t understand the animosity here for suggesting a fix to improve UX - if they have to be enabled to appear in the list, then surely it’s fair to assume it’s possible to have an option in settings to hide them again? Or have a collapsible option via dev?

drewhino

@attakk said:

@drewhino said:

@wim said:

@drewhino said:

@GeoTony said:
Surely if you have the apps displayed in Last used order your favourites are at the top and unused stuff is at the bottom.
Really don’t see a problem here 🤔

because that was never my workflow…? that’s not too hard to understand. i had them organized by devs for years and honed in to about 30-40 apps on my list. now there is a huge ungodly amount of apple apps that are just a pain to scroll past every freaking time

search box. type two or three letters. done.

I bet I can find the plugin I want in less than half the time you can with or without the Apple plugins getting in the way. 😎

I'm sorry. I know I'm just being annoying. I get where you're coming from even though I'm not bothered by it. You might want to make a feature request for a settings option to hide them over on the AUM Discord.

maybe you don’t understand the idea of workflow. it’s a thing that is inherent to the artist and different artists have different ways of working (like choosing on the fly an instrument for a particular part of a song). a work flow that works for one artist may not work for another. much of a workflow is built on familiarity and then intuition. music is magical that way. why would you assume i know exactly what i’m looking for while choosing an instrument? what if my workflow is a familiar list of my equipment that i go through until i am (magically) pulled to my instrument of choice?

yeah you’re annoying because you’re just unnecessarily trying to convert someone else to your work flow when this thread literally had nothing to do with you and what you think you do best.

What I love about workflows are that once a person has one they will never, ever, ever compromise on it: devs are then expected to clutter their apps and code with workarounds and additional settings and the whatnot to meet at times the most bizarre and convoluted workflows (of which you’re often left scratching your head thinking “really?? this is very simple - why are you wanting to make it so complicated for yourself doing it THAT way??”)

Offers of advice - “have you thought about trying it this way? it’s actually really good and might complement and speed up your workflow” - are met like they are personal attacks or insults when all they are are someone simply taking the time to try and help. And then things start to get nasty and things get polarised and then the discussion eventually gets diverted by someone essentially trolling with a sarcastic comment, much like this one.

1.but in this case the dev actually cluttered the app by additions that weren’t there before…. maybe you guys don’t make music or art so i should have more grace but fyi there are plenty of points in the art/music making process where you don’t exactly know what instrument or color you want to use. you have your colors/instruments laid out infront of you and scan/scroll through what you have to see what you’re drawn to. call it bizarre, convoluted, or whatever you want. that’s art. of course it’s more simple to know exactly what i want, type it into a search engine and poof get exact results. but is the art making process always that simple?

2.this was not sarcastic. i literally don’t think he understands workflow. they were not trying to help when the question was “how do you delete this” and the answer doesn’t recognize any of the question and is just “why don’t you do it this way like me, my way is better than yours”. where i come from that’s rude. it’s like yeah bro of course i can find an infinite amount of different ways to do things but was i asking for that? i was asking to just know how delete something. simple as that. not some dudes snooty input on how his way is more efficient while disregarding my question as a whole. to me THAT is the literal definition of diverting a discussion.

iamspoon

AUM feature request : a show/hide plugins checklist …this would solve this issue and allow filtering so you could tailor what is shown without having to uninstall (and potentially lose access to) currently installed auv3.

This is probably pretty standard on desktop.. certainly this has existed in Cubase for ages.

espiegel123

If you want to make a feature request of AUM’s developer, contacting him with the request or requesting it in the AUM thread he monitors (and tagging him there) is probably going to be more effective than discussing it in this thread.

drewhino

@espiegel123 said:
If you want to make a feature request of AUM’s developer, contacting him with the request or requesting it in the AUM thread he monitors (and tagging him there) is probably going to be more effective than discussing it in this thread.

cool! will do thanks. yeah i just made this thread cuz i couldn’t find this topic and thought maybe there was a way and i was just missing something

Gavinski

@oldsynthguy said:

@wim said:
search box. type two or three letters. done.

Yeah, but the problem for old folks like me, is I can rarely remember the name of the darned app I’m looking for, but usually I’ll remember who made it (ah, it was a SugarBytes thing…right…).

Plus I have so many of the things making the list even longer to scroll through isn’t helping.

I don’t understand the animosity here for suggesting a fix to improve UX - if they have to be enabled to appear in the list, then surely it’s fair to assume it’s possible to have an option in settings to hide them again? Or have a collapsible option via dev?

I agree there is no harm in asking the dev to add an option to hide these. Just to mention tho regarding your above example, is that you can also search for dev name and then pick your app from the shorter list that will now appear. Not a judgment or criticism, maybe you still prefer avoiding using search, I'm just mentioning it.

wim

@drewhino said:
2.this was not sarcastic. i literally don’t think he understands workflow. they were not trying to help when the question was “how do you delete this” and the answer doesn’t recognize any of the question and is just “why don’t you do it this way like me, my way is better than yours”. where i come from that’s rude. it’s like yeah bro of course i can find an infinite amount of different ways to do things but was i asking for that? i was asking to just know how delete something. simple as that. not some dudes snooty input on how his way is more efficient while disregarding my question as a whole. to me THAT is the literal definition of diverting a discussion.

Well, I guess you didn't read your own thread. It has been clearly pointed out that you can't delete them. They're part of the operating system. Next it was made clear that you'd need to contact the developer to request a feature to hide them. I went to the trouble to sign on to Discord and generate an invite link to make that more convenient for you.

Finally, knowing that there is no immediate solution, myself and others suggested the "next best" workarounds. Some did it more politely than others.

@wim said:
search box. type two or three letters. done.

I bet I can find the plugin I want in less than half the time you can with or without the Apple plugins getting in the way. 😎

I'm sorry. I know I'm just being annoying. I get where you're coming from even though I'm not bothered by it. You might want to make a feature request for a settings option to hide them over on the AUM Discord.

You can take issue as much as you like with my snarky style of delivery, but to say that I didn't understand the concept of workflow or the question is silly if you actually read the posts leading up to the one that you're referring to.

Hey, it's up to you. Simply rant and end up having to learn to live with it indefinitely, or take action and request the feature. Its also your choice whether you want to try any of the suggestions to see if they make things easier in the meantime. I doubt anyone cares in the least if you take their suggestions or not.

wim

@oldsynthguy said:

@wim said:
search box. type two or three letters. done.

Yeah, but the problem for old folks like me, is I can rarely remember the name of the darned app I’m looking for, but usually I’ll remember who made it (ah, it was a SugarBytes thing…right…).

You're in luck then. Typing "sug" in the search box will jump right there.

Can't remember the name or who made that reverb? Type "rev" narrows down the list to anything with "reverb" in the name, which doesn't always come up with what you want, but sometimes it does.

It's a full text search, so any little bit of info you can conjure up just might help. Scrolling past the Apple plugins does add two more swipes. I think it would be best if there was an option to hide them as well. I can understand developers who try to resist the calls to put an settings option for everything too though.

[edit] oops ... cross posted before I saw @Gavinski had already said all this.

oldsynthguy

@Gavinski said:

@oldsynthguy said:

@wim said:
search box. type two or three letters. done.

Yeah, but the problem for old folks like me, is I can rarely remember the name of the darned app I’m looking for, but usually I’ll remember who made it (ah, it was a SugarBytes thing…right…).

Plus I have so many of the things making the list even longer to scroll through isn’t helping.

I don’t understand the animosity here for suggesting a fix to improve UX - if they have to be enabled to appear in the list, then surely it’s fair to assume it’s possible to have an option in settings to hide them again? Or have a collapsible option via dev?

I agree there is no harm in asking the dev to add an option to hide these. Just to mention tho regarding your above example, is that you can also search for dev name and then pick your app from the shorter list that will now appear. Not a judgment or criticism, maybe you still prefer avoiding using search, I'm just mentioning it.

From a UX perspective, I find scrolling down a list quicker and more user friendly than bringing up a search box, trying to remember the name/developer of an app, typing in the details, and then selecting it from the results. It’s a visual thing for me, seeing the names and icons rather than relying on my failing memory banks.

It’s not the end of the world, but it’s difficult to ignore that the drop down list is becoming increasingly unwieldy, so at some point rather than adding more apps to the list, it would be beneficial to look at ways of managing this more effectively.

@wim said:

@oldsynthguy said:

@wim said:
search box. type two or three letters. done.

Yeah, but the problem for old folks like me, is I can rarely remember the name of the darned app I’m looking for, but usually I’ll remember who made it (ah, it was a SugarBytes thing…right…).

You're in luck then. Typing "sug" in the search box will jump right there.

See above ^

mikejohn

From a different thread .. but it does seem a collapsible company section is on the roadmap ..
https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/63584/aum-1-4-6-is-out/p3

wim

@oldsynthguy said:

@Gavinski said:

@oldsynthguy said:

@wim said:
search box. type two or three letters. done.

Yeah, but the problem for old folks like me, is I can rarely remember the name of the darned app I’m looking for, but usually I’ll remember who made it (ah, it was a SugarBytes thing…right…).

Plus I have so many of the things making the list even longer to scroll through isn’t helping.

I don’t understand the animosity here for suggesting a fix to improve UX - if they have to be enabled to appear in the list, then surely it’s fair to assume it’s possible to have an option in settings to hide them again? Or have a collapsible option via dev?

I agree there is no harm in asking the dev to add an option to hide these. Just to mention tho regarding your above example, is that you can also search for dev name and then pick your app from the shorter list that will now appear. Not a judgment or criticism, maybe you still prefer avoiding using search, I'm just mentioning it.

From a UX perspective, I find scrolling down a list quicker and more user friendly than bringing up a search box, trying to remember the name/developer of an app, typing in the details, and then selecting it from the results. It’s a visual thing for me, seeing the names and icons rather than relying on my failing memory banks.

It’s not the end of the world, but it’s difficult to ignore that the drop down list is becoming increasingly unwieldy, so at some point rather than adding more apps to the list, it would be beneficial to look at ways of managing this more effectively.

Or not.

Favorites would also be helpful. Maybe pinned to the top of the list and with that section collapsable so that if you know it's not favorited you could get to the scrolley bit a little faster.

oldsynthguy

@wim said:

@oldsynthguy said:

@Gavinski said:

@oldsynthguy said:

@wim said:
search box. type two or three letters. done.

Yeah, but the problem for old folks like me, is I can rarely remember the name of the darned app I’m looking for, but usually I’ll remember who made it (ah, it was a SugarBytes thing…right…).

Plus I have so many of the things making the list even longer to scroll through isn’t helping.

I don’t understand the animosity here for suggesting a fix to improve UX - if they have to be enabled to appear in the list, then surely it’s fair to assume it’s possible to have an option in settings to hide them again? Or have a collapsible option via dev?

I agree there is no harm in asking the dev to add an option to hide these. Just to mention tho regarding your above example, is that you can also search for dev name and then pick your app from the shorter list that will now appear. Not a judgment or criticism, maybe you still prefer avoiding using search, I'm just mentioning it.

From a UX perspective, I find scrolling down a list quicker and more user friendly than bringing up a search box, trying to remember the name/developer of an app, typing in the details, and then selecting it from the results. It’s a visual thing for me, seeing the names and icons rather than relying on my failing memory banks.

It’s not the end of the world, but it’s difficult to ignore that the drop down list is becoming increasingly unwieldy, so at some point rather than adding more apps to the list, it would be beneficial to look at ways of managing this more effectively.

Or not.

Favorites would also be helpful. Maybe pinned to the top of the list and with that section collapsable so that if you know it's not favorited you could get to the scrolley bit a little faster.

Definitely.

robosardine

The search box is fine - except I have so many apps I can’t always remember the actual name of the one I’m looking for. AUFX:DUB probably being the one that I can never quite get in one or two goes the most. Also several apps that haven’t used for over a year can give me bother, though I have a good idea what they do.

Come to think of it there was an app I liked the look of years ago but never bought. I think it had a distressed metallic silverish appearance and acted something like the Joe Mox T-Resonator. I’m sure it had some mildly gothic Norse helmet graphics on it… and maybe a Thor hammer or something… Any ideas? 😀

wim

@robosardine said:
The search box is fine - except I have so many apps I can’t always remember the actual name of the one I’m looking for. AUFX:DUB probably being the one that I can never quite get in one or two goes the most. Also several apps that haven’t used for over a year can give me bother, though I have a good idea what they do.

Come to think of it there was an app I liked the look of years ago but never bought. I think it had a distressed metallic silverish appearance and acted something like the Joe Mox T-Resonator. I’m sure it had some mildly gothic Norse helmet graphics on it… and maybe a Thor hammer or something… Any ideas? 😀

Swipe a creativity crushing total of one and a quarter extra screens full of plugins and find out. 😉

anickt

@wim said:

@robosardine said:
The search box is fine - except I have so many apps I can’t always remember the actual name of the one I’m looking for. AUFX:DUB probably being the one that I can never quite get in one or two goes the most. Also several apps that haven’t used for over a year can give me bother, though I have a good idea what they do.

Come to think of it there was an app I liked the look of years ago but never bought. I think it had a distressed metallic silverish appearance and acted something like the Joe Mox T-Resonator. I’m sure it had some mildly gothic Norse helmet graphics on it… and maybe a Thor hammer or something… Any ideas? 😀

Swipe a creativity crushing total of one and a quarter extra screens full of plugins and find out. 😉

But, but that doesn’t fit my workflow! 😭😭😭

wim

I apologize @drewhino.

That last joke of mine was in poor taste. I meant it to be funny and directed toward @robosardine, but it's unnecessary snark and inviting more mockery of your OP.

j_liljedahl

Hi everyone!

I included the system-provided Apple plugins due to popular request, but as always there will be other users not happy with the decisions

But I think there are enough users who don't want to see these plugins that something has to be done.

• Modernize the Node picker to look more like the new Navigator, with collapsible sections. This would help but you'd still see that "Apple" section, and maybe in multiple places if you sort by Name or Last Used and not Company.
• Option in setting to hide them (default: not hidden). This would be the quick-and-dirty fix. But then, why not be able to hide other companies as well? Or even specific plugins?
• A blacklist of plugins to hide. But this would essentially be the same thing as a Favorites list, except backwards. My idea for favorites is to include a - toggle on each plugin in the Node picker list, as well as one button in the navigation bar, which when enabled only shows stared plugins. But then, newly installed plugins won't be stared.. and users that has the star-filter enabled will write 1-star reviews about their new plugins not being visible in the list, etc.

I think more users would prefer a favorites list than a blacklist, though.

As you see, one has to be careful when picking a solution to a problem, because each solution can give other problems for some users, and it's harder to change it later and I at least try not to upset my users, even if I fail at times

oldsynthguy

@j_liljedahl said:
Hi everyone!

I included the system-provided Apple plugins due to popular request, but as always there will be other users not happy with the decisions

But I think there are enough users who don't want to see these plugins that something has to be done.

• Modernize the Node picker to look more like the new Navigator, with collapsible sections. This would help but you'd still see that "Apple" section, and maybe in multiple places if you sort by Name or Last Used and not Company.
• Option in setting to hide them (default: not hidden). This would be the quick-and-dirty fix. But then, why not be able to hide other companies as well? Or even specific plugins?
• A blacklist of plugins to hide. But this would essentially be the same thing as a Favorites list, except backwards. My idea for favorites is to include a - toggle on each plugin in the Node picker list, as well as one button in the navigation bar, which when enabled only shows stared plugins. But then, newly installed plugins won't be stared.. and users that has the star-filter enabled will write 1-star reviews about their new plugins not being visible in the list, etc.

I think more users would prefer a favorites list than a blacklist, though.

As you see, one has to be careful when picking a solution to a problem, because each solution can give other problems for some users, and it's harder to change it later and I at least try not to upset my users, even if I fail at times

Personally, an option to hide Apple AU’s in settings is ample. I don’t use them, and I didn’t choose to install them. I don’t need an option to hide other plugins, since any I don’t want to use won’t be installed anyway.

Additional functionality via favourites and collapsible sections would be great too though.

Thanks for considering this, AUM is my most used app and a joy to use!

Gavinski

@j_liljedahl this recent update was excellent, thanks a lot. Still hoping a search bar gets added to the File Player, that would be incredibly useful for me and many others. I first requested that year's ago, is there maybe a technical reason why it hasn't been added?

anickt

@oldsynthguy said:

@j_liljedahl said:

Personally, an option to hide Apple AU’s in settings is ample. I don’t use them, and I didn’t choose to install them. I don’t need an option to hide other plugins, since any I don’t want to use won’t be installed anyway.

This makes sense to me since we don’t have the option to “not install” them. But some might want to hide some of them and not others so then what do you do?

And I was only kidding about workflow. My autism thrives on it.

Simon

@oldsynthguy said:
Personally, an option to hide Apple AU’s in settings is ample.

+1.

j_liljedahl

@Gavinski said:
@j_liljedahl this recent update was excellent, thanks a lot. Still hoping a search bar gets added to the File Player, that would be incredibly useful for me and many others. I first requested that year's ago, is there maybe a technical reason why it hasn't been added?

No technical reason. I only have so much time and energy, but hundreds of ideas and hundreds of user requests If it was quick and easily implemented, I would probably already have done it.

Johnmayo

@wim said:

@robosardine said:
The search box is fine - except I have so many apps I can’t always remember the actual name of the one I’m looking for. AUFX:DUB probably being the one that I can never quite get in one or two goes the most. Also several apps that haven’t used for over a year can give me bother, though I have a good idea what they do.

AUFX:DUB is awesome. My only used of the set.

danbun

@oldsynthguy said:
Personally, an option to hide Apple AU’s in settings is ample. I don’t use them, and I didn’t choose to install them. I don’t need an option to hide other plugins, since any I don’t want to use won’t be installed anyway.

Better think about the full picture to decide on a solution. Wasn't there a similar discussion about the Korg Gadget AUv3s, for example?

iamspoon

Yes, Gadget exposes all of the IAP auv3 whether you own them or not, so this would be another area where it would be desirable to blacklist/hide individual AUv3.

reasOne

The best way to get rid of these apple effects is to toss the iPad and get an android device! 😎

(Note: This is a joke)

oldsynthguy

@danbun said:

@oldsynthguy said:
Personally, an option to hide Apple AU’s in settings is ample. I don’t use them, and I didn’t choose to install them. I don’t need an option to hide other plugins, since any I don’t want to use won’t be installed anyway.

Better think about the full picture to decide on a solution. Wasn't there a similar discussion about the Korg Gadget AUv3s, for example?

The Gadget AU list is a PITA, particularly as the icons are all the same, so yes, a collapsible option there would be very welcome. I’m guessing a setting to switch off Apple AU’s is more straightforward for the dev though, which is why I suggested that option first. Personally I don’t want it in the list at all, collapsed or otherwise.

NeuM

@reasOne said:
The best way to get rid of these apple effects is to toss the iPad and get an android device! 😎

(Note: This is a joke)

Or eliminate all electronic devices and learn to play the harmonica? 😂