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Sort of. It's set free to die unfortunately.
Once Matt stops paying his developer fee to Apple, it will at some point (possibly as early as April) be no longer able to be installed anywhere unless backed up with iMazing, and even then I don't think the IAP content will be restored.
That's the nature of it when a dev signs off on an app.
So many of us have apps that we're keeping alive on our iPads by not updating the iOS versions etc.
I've got a couple of older iphones so I'll install NS 2 on those so that
I can use it as a sound module at the very least.
😂 this is so funny -- the SECOND I saw that post, I was itching to reply that I chose the "Nuclear Option" ☢️🇪🇺 and removed my apps from the EU entirely. They still bring enough income outside the EU (indeed only about 25% of sales were in the EU, so... as sad as it is for my users, I enjoy my big virtual middle finger to Brussels nonetheless 😃)
The EU related part of the discussion has been “othered” to here…
https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/64097/eu-good-or-bad-for-developers
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had a good go with it.. its ok.. not as good as beatmaker 3. theres no chords, drum rolls, or effect automation that i can find.. all in all ... meh...
"being sunset and made free as a thank you". Thanks to who exactly? It's no thanks to me who paid for everything so I'd assume it's a thanks to everyone who never supported it and contributed to it's demise?
I paid full price when it came out (£30, £40?), plus IAP’s, which it seems I’ll now lose.
This, along with the Audiobus/Audiokit shenanigans, isn’t going to help persuade professional musicians to consider the iOS platform as a serious alternative to desktop.
It's a separate thanks for you. More of a so long and thanks for all the fish.
I'm not even sure who it's a thank you to either. 🫠 I know Matt (Blip) doesn't agree with the EU stuff, but the least he could do is hand over the source code to another dev (or team of devs) who actually give(s) a damn to continue NS2's development (or at least maintain it for future iOS updates).
But my cynicism knew that Matt would eventually give up NS2. That's why I spent the better part of last year and late 2023 bouncing between other iOS DAWs to find a new main DAW to produce music in. Eventually ended up with Cubasis. It's a pretty decent workflow. Different from NS2, but I'm fluid in the workflow.
And now that we have GR2, I'm not really going to miss NS2 too much. Yeah I'm a bit bitter about Matt sunsetting the app, but it is what it is. It sucks though.
I guess we just have to use whatever tools we have available to us at the time to our advantage while we have them. Even Apple has occasionally killed some of their own software which I found invaluable (for example Soundtrack Pro, Aperture, Logic Express). I've even run into incompatibilities between GarageBand and Logic Pro which have corrupted a whole series of my older music files.
If he couldn't make the app part of a profitable business model, I don't know how you can blame him for shuttering the thing. He's supposed to go broke at the same time?
You have a good point there. 😂
"Thanks y'all who never paid a dime for the app. I couldn't have gotten here without you."
I didn't read that comment as saying anything of the sort. It was just speaking of the irony concerning beneficiaries of this "thank you" gesture. I do admire someone who is magnanimous in defeat though. He made a piece of art and is making it free for those who choose to enjoy it rather than just letting it die.
I made my choice bo buy NS2 at the time. I got use and much enjoyment from it. Sadly, circumstances changed. It's not hurting me for others to get to enjoy it for free now. It makes me happy that others might still get some enjoyment or use out of the app even though it's going away.
I'm not saying it's wrong for anyone to feel cheated by this gesture. I am saying that I really don't understand the thinking behind it. 🤷🏼♂️
I do totally understand being unhappy that the cost is a loss if/when the app stops working on our devices.
Awesome and very classy handling of some of the questions boiling around...
https://www.blipinteractive.co.uk/community/discussion/3476/some-questions-answered
The man has style. 😎
There are a few people around that I wish everyone would give the full benefit of the doubt. Matt is one.
I don’t feel cheated people are getting this free, I feel cheated I’m going to lose access to content I paid for, along with the app, because the developer doesn’t want to share his contact details like any other normal online business that trades in the EU and UK. It’s not as even if it doesn’t work - it’s still totally usable.
I’m also sad the message this sends out to potential new music app purchasers, that the app you buy tomorrow might not get the new features hyped up when you bought it, might not get continued support after a set number of years, removed, or updated with a new subscription and a bunch of trackers, harvesting your data for god knows what purpose.
I’ve been buying apps for over a decade - thousands of pounds worth. I’ll still support good devs such as 4Pockets Paul, out-there inventors such as Ivor Vasiliev, and companies making their desktop apps more affordable for iOS like AudioThing. But it’s bye-bye groovebox and pricey music apps for me now. This is a bad look for iOS music, you can’t spin it any other way.
Investing in apps is a big deal, since you can’t resell (I bought Ableton second hand, I could probably sell it for the same price I paid for it), so the very least we can expect is to be able to carry on using the damn things.
This. Is. Not. Good.
There's more to it than that, but I get you.
I think this is a reminder that anything on this digital platform is temporary and that is factored into the pricing. This whole thing is more of a rental than a purchase of anything solid. That is more to do with the framework this all exists in. Unfortunately iOS has some built in limitations that have been created by Apple.
For all of the love for the devices - we are essentially making music on our communication devices - it is what it is.
Now how do you backup an app ? Or ghost image? Imazing ?
Dang. 😲 But then again mate, you're absolutely correct. Just use what we have available at the time.
I didn't blame him for for doing anything. I just pointed out that the act of making it free and shutting it down is not a thank you to anyone.
Same here. It's not a thank you but it is a cool final act, albeit a sad circumstance. I'm glad he is giving it away for free. Although removing it from the store shortly after will reduce the joy of the freebie no doubt.
I don't feel cheated because Matt made the app free now. That's a kind gesture on his part, and I wouldn't be so petty to say "you can't use the app for free because I paid for it". 😂
What does make me feel cheated is Matt simply doesn't wish to give out the source code/sell it. If another company were to use said source code to develop and sell a Nanostudio 3 we'd have to purchase again, so be it. I'm willing to shell out a few extra bucks for an NS3 with audio tracks.
But meanwhile, I transferred my drum samples from the NS2 library folder into GR2's samples folder. Can't change what we can't change. Just gotta roll with it.
Quite right. 👍
I can't blame Matt at all for not wanting to give out the source code. He spent years of his life on it. It's a part of him. You might think of software code as simply an impersonal object, but it's no less an expression of himself than anyone here's art. Imagine if you spent years pouring your life into a symphonic piece or a painting and people who understand nothing about what you put into it called on you to let someone else add a few movements, or paint in some grassy hillsides or something.
Imagine yourself heading toward retirement and thinking "What am I going to do with myself?" Would you not perhaps like to keep the option open to finish and perfect that creation that you worked so hard on and loved so much but had to set aside because you had to pay the bills?
Sometimes it's not all about us.
Imo, it is reasonable for him to want to keep his source code. As he said, he might want to use it in the future.
He expressed a willingness to sell the source code. But it is unlikely that anyone is actually willing to pay what would seem like a reasonable price from his perspective.
I think a lot of people here don't realize the enormous investment of time involved in coding something of NS2's depth AND the amount of prior experience and knowledge required to get to the level where one could write something like NS2.
It is unfortunate that the regulations are written as they are.
It's about more than just the regulation. That was just a tipping point.
Fair enough. I always do appreciate a different perspective on things. Welp, I aired my complaints. Back to ye olde music dungeon I go. Gonna cook up some Minimal Techno or Ambient tomorrow in GR2. 😉
Absolutely. I don’t blame him one bit
Everybody knows when you buy software it might not be around forever.
A small developer might drop dead or be hit by a truck and that's it for his software.
Or a large corporation like Apple or Korg might decide in the boardroom that the iOS business is not worth staying in - and that's it for their software.
Backup to iMazing and you probably will get years of extra use even if the software developer goes belly up.