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"Looping Should be Federally Banned" -Professor Rabin

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  • @ecou said:

    @philowerx said:
    I love sound I love music. I dig a groove, a Tibetan monk playing a cave…The bird outside the window, the babbling brook and the breeze finding its way through the trees. . Everything is music

    It's 3 AM and I am not loving the bird outside my window keeping me from sleeping. 😔

    Sample it and use it in a song.

  • @colorsinspace said:
    I mean everyone has their thing. For me it would be torture to go see a blues guitarist or any sort of blues type band.

    The thing about blues is that it's really fun to be the person playing it. I don't know how long I could sit in the audience, though. I have to admit, I really liked Muddy Waters. He played and talked to the audience, and told great stories. He also lived on Adams Street in Westmont. My friends rented the house next door and his grandson would stop by to party when we were jamming. We would see Muddy walking around his kitchen in a blue bathrobe. He liked Kellog's Corn Flakes.

  • @Paulieworld said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    Joe Zawinul was a cruel person and played a big role in Jaco’s unraveling.

    I met Zawinul at an unexpected meet and greet. He was a dick. I told him that I had also seen them the night before at the Auditorium Theater. Instead of saying something like "thanks for coming", he just said "Yeah, it was killer" and walked away like I didn't exist. Prior to joining WR, Jaco never drank or got high. Zawinul introduced him to a life of heavy drinking and self destruction. The last time I saw Jaco playing was when he was touring Word Of Mouth with his big band. We went with great expectations, but he was a mess by then. Such a shame. Then he got his ass kicked and died. And so it goes...

    God must be a boogieman…

  • @Paulieworld said:

    @colorsinspace said:
    I mean everyone has their thing. For me it would be torture to go see a blues guitarist or any sort of blues type band.

    The thing about blues is that it's really fun to be the person playing it. I don't know how long I could sit in the audience, though. I have to admit, I really liked Muddy Waters. He played and talked to the audience, and told great stories. He also lived on Adams Street in Westmont. My friends rented the house next door and his grandson would stop by to party when we were jamming. We would see Muddy walking around his kitchen in a blue bathrobe. He liked Kellog's Corn Flakes.

    I will begin to begin my day with those.

  • edited June 5

    @Paulieworld said:

    @colorsinspace said:
    I mean everyone has their thing. For me it would be torture to go see a blues guitarist or any sort of blues type band.

    I kind of feel bored sitting in any audience or corralled like an animal at a "festival". I love music in a park where I can walk around, dip in and out from different angles.

    The thing about blues is that it's really fun to be the person playing it. I don't know how long I could sit in the audience, though. I have to admit, I really liked Muddy Waters. He played and talked to the audience, and told great stories. He also lived on Adams Street in Westmont. My friends rented the house next door and his grandson would stop by to party when we were jamming. We would see Muddy walking around his kitchen in a blue bathrobe. He liked Kellog's Corn Flakes.

    That is awesome!

  • @Paulieworld said:

    @ecou said:

    @philowerx said:
    I love sound I love music. I dig a groove, a Tibetan monk playing a cave…The bird outside the window, the babbling brook and the breeze finding its way through the trees. . Everything is music

    It's 3 AM and I am not loving the bird outside my window keeping me from sleeping. 😔

    Sample it and use it in a song.

    Be sure to use a shotgun mic 😜

  • Nice Muddy Waters story @Paulieworld. I haven't eaten cornflakes in along time - maybe that's why my blues is not "Grrreat!"

    Dani Rabin is a fine musician/guitarist and for the most part, having dabbled in it myself, I follow his sentiments on looping. But, he's been a bit shortsighted to neglect the extremely talented loopers out there. One of my favourite albums is Pendulum by Eberhard Weber, another bassist who carried on the Jaco legacy.

  • Its ironic how boring he was, given the subject matter. I’m sure he’s correct in his world, a music prof. is probably greviously overexposed to looper performances.
    I’m overexposed to self righteous rants in monotone. So I guess I can empathize, that way. Everyone thinks they are unique. No one is. Do what you do with love and its more likely to be bearable. Maybe the prof will pick that up one day

  • edited June 5

    @sveinbjorn said:
    Its ironic how boring he was, given the subject matter. I’m sure he’s correct in his world, a music prof. is probably greviously overexposed to looper performances.
    I’m overexposed to self righteous rants in monotone. So I guess I can empathize, that way. Everyone thinks they are unique. No one is. Do what you do with love and its more likely to be bearable. Maybe the prof will pick that up one day

    Lots of people love snark and do well with it. Many people want to advance themselves not just for their own edification but to also feel superior to others. Finding an instructor/mentor who validates both can be potent. But after a while people like this blast through the old crop of grasshoppers with their shotgun negativity approach. The thing with the global internet and algo system though is that there is always a new crop of grasshoppers to munch on. If he were like a Hans Zimmer type, some multi instrumentalist guru then sure snark away, I may listen, but a one shtick shredder pony, eh, not impressive enough.

  • @Paulieworld said:

    @colorsinspace said:
    I mean everyone has their thing. For me it would be torture to go see a blues guitarist or any sort of blues type band.

    The thing about blues is that it's really fun to be the person playing it. I don't know how long I could sit in the audience, though. I have to admit, I really liked Muddy Waters. He played and talked to the audience, and told great stories. He also lived on Adams Street in Westmont. My friends rented the house next door and his grandson would stop by to party when we were jamming. We would see Muddy walking around his kitchen in a blue bathrobe. He liked Kellog's Corn Flakes.

    Ha! Cool story but now I’m craving Corn Flakes!

  • @sveinbjorn said:
    Its ironic how boring he was, given the subject matter. I’m sure he’s correct in his world, a music prof. is probably greviously overexposed to looper performances.
    I’m overexposed to self righteous rants in monotone. So I guess I can empathize, that way. Everyone thinks they are unique. No one is. Do what you do with love and its more likely to be bearable. Maybe the prof will pick that up one day

    I like this post.

    I didn't enjoy the video, I always feel duped when I click on rage bait junk.

  • No sense in crying the blues about these videos. 😏😂

    (Okay back to my music dungeon I go!)

  • Sorry to disrupt the consensus, but I thought it was funny and a great example of hyperbole: going way over the top to eviscerate a relatively benign phenomenon. (Not sure they hold up in 2025, but Dennis Leary's rage monologues for MTV seem to share the same DNA as this anti-looper rant.) Don't think I need to subscribe to the guy's worldview or even his channel to appreciate his take. I agree in essence: Looping was once innovative and now impresses no one, and it's really boring to watch live. That doesn't mean you can't make art out of it — see the incredible video posted by @espiegel123 above.

    Just don't think we all need to agree on everything to all get along. I'm a bass player and not at all a Jaco fan. I appreciate his remarkable artistry, but it's secondary to the song for me. He elevates Joni Mitchell's "Coyote," but he never wrote anything that is anywhere near as memorable.

    And my final contrarian statement before I go back under my rock: Joe Zawinul may have been a dick, but he wrote "Mercy, Mercy, Mercy" for Cannonball Adderley! That song will live forever.

  • @Paulieworld said:

    @ecou said:

    @philowerx said:
    I love sound I love music. I dig a groove, a Tibetan monk playing a cave…The bird outside the window, the babbling brook and the breeze finding its way through the trees. . Everything is music

    It's 3 AM and I am not loving the bird outside my window keeping me from sleeping. 😔

    Sample it and use it in a song.

    Bro I was going to say this!!! Beat me to it. Lol on the subject of sampling birds it reminded me of this video

    Cristobal Tapia De Veer, known most for being the composer of the first 3 seasons of HBO’s The White Lotus’s got inspiration from birds outside his window when making the main theme song. Really cool story. The way he mentioned hearing arpeggios from bird songs really changed an understanding about music all around you, to me.

    Utilizing Ableton to compose with samples while also of course sampling many of his own things. This video was really inspiring to me. If you’re into the very eclectic white lotus music.

  • @CracklePot said:

    @Paulieworld said:

    @ecou said:

    @philowerx said:
    I love sound I love music. I dig a groove, a Tibetan monk playing a cave…The bird outside the window, the babbling brook and the breeze finding its way through the trees. . Everything is music

    It's 3 AM and I am not loving the bird outside my window keeping me from sleeping. 😔

    Sample it and use it in a song.

    Be sure to use a shotgun mic 😜

    😂

  • @ExAsperis99 Mercy Mercy Mercy is a great Jazz standard. Ironically, it was brought to the attention of the general teeny bopper public by The Buckinghams, a local Chicago based pop rock vocal band. They turned it into a national hit with their own lyrics and arrangement. In any case, it’s great song with a timeless melody, regardless of who performs it. The Buckinghams did some great music back in the day… back in my day, that is. They did a song called “Susan”. It was just your basic love song, but… in the middle of the song, they suddenly inserted a passage from Charles Ives “Central Park In The Dark”. It was very controversial and I loved it. Check it out…

    Perhaps I should rephrase my comment about Zawinul. He was a dick… to me… that night. I was in college with limited cash and I drove 50 miles to see the band at the Chicago Auditorium, even though I had tickets for the next show the following night at NIU. After the show, me my drummer buddy and I just decided to walk backstage. Their road manager said… are you guys hungry? We got a bunch of food and nobody to eat it. Of course we said… you bet! The first guy we met was Peter Erskine. He was a super friendly guy and seemed to really enjoy talking to us. Next, we met Zawinul and Shorter. They were probably both tired and ready for bed. Finally, I met Jaco. He was juggling apples from the food table. He was a very good juggler! I asked him for an autograph. He said, no problem… where are we? I said, we’re in DeKalb. He said… is that a city? I said… yeah. He signed it… Jaco DeKalb.

    Joe might have been a dick to me, but I love their music. It was a good night that I will always remember.

  • edited June 6

    Jaco DeKalb! Phenomenal.

    And I have never heard the Buckinghams. “Susan” sounds like the Seekers but what a crazy interpolation! And their version of “Mercy, Mercy, Mercy” is no less inventive. But it’s indisputably a Joe Zawinul composition, though the credits for their adaptation expands the songwriting team hilariously.

  • @supadom said:
    I think the guy’s a d&*k. I didn’t last 10mins watching it.

    Although it’s got to be said that bad looping can be bad.

    Absolutely correct and concisely put. He needs to study a little more.

  • edited June 6

    @knewspeak said:

    @supadom said:
    I think the guy’s a d&*k. I didn’t last 10mins watching it.

    Although it’s got to be said that bad looping can be bad.

    Absolutely correct and concisely put. He needs to study a little more.

    While it might be hard to argue with the claim "the guy's a d&*k" (albeit a pretty humorous one), lack of study is not a reasonably warranted attribute of this information-saturated Berkley educated musician.

    @Gavinski said:
    I only watched about a minute of the video, but I'd be very surprised if this guy hates looping as much as he claims. This polemic is likely a exaggeration of his true opinions, either for rhetorical impact or for clicks, or for both, no?

    I've seen many of his videos and am convinced this is completely correct.

  • @UrbanNinja said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @supadom said:
    I think the guy’s a d&*k. I didn’t last 10mins watching it.

    Although it’s got to be said that bad looping can be bad.

    Absolutely correct and concisely put. He needs to study a little more.

    While it might be hard to argue with the claim "the guy's a d&*k" (albeit a pretty humorous one), lack of study is not a reasonably warranted attribute of this information-saturated Berkley educated musician.

    Well, one of humor’s best traits is that it is subjective, this video proving that once more.

    He’s a Berkley Alumni? I’m almost impressed. If that is so, that makes his punching down with those ignorant/abhorrent comments toward ‘homeless’ people even more disgusting, while simultaneously showing how an education at a well respected school doesn’t automatically mean a person is in fact educated.

    @Gavinski said:
    I only watched about a minute of the video, but I'd be very surprised if this guy hates looping as much as he claims. This polemic is likely a exaggeration of his true opinions, either for rhetorical impact or for clicks, or for both, no?

    I've seen many of his videos and am convinced this is completely correct.

    Seems that their bit is working then, I saw this video elsewhere since your post.

    Why do you engage with this persons content? I’m genuinely interested in why this kind of rage bait is entertaining.

  • edited June 6

    @offbrands said:
    Why do you engage with this persons content? I’m genuinely interested in why this kind of rage bait is entertaining.

    While criticizing him for being "a d&-k" seems reasonable enough I don't see his reaction to looping really amounts to rage.

    Why engage? His instructional content is fantastic -that is how/why I found him, and for some reason his humor usually really amuses me. I think his remarks about looping contain elements of exaggeration as well as elements of truth and thought it would be worthwhile to see how others who are interested in looping might parse all that out.

  • @UrbanNinja said:

    @offbrands said:
    Why do you engage with this persons content? I’m genuinely interested in why this kind of rage bait is entertaining.

    While criticizing him for being "a d&-k" seems reasonable enough I don't see his reaction to looping really amounts to rage.

    Why engage? His instructional content is fantastic -that is how/why I found him, and for some reason his humor usually really amuses me. I think his remarks about looping contain elements of exaggeration as well as elements of truth and thought it would be worthwhile to see how others who are interested in looping might parse all that out.

    I often do something similar, take information that’s relevant and perhaps valuable while leaving the rest. Though, I couldn’t really do this as I don’t think I could stomach someone who grossly talks down of a vulnerable group like that.

    I’m sure you can see that those unnecessarily awful comments were in fact a part that is also of the rage bait. You can agree with his points, I’m sure some do, that doesn't mean that talking down of a group of people while making points you agree with isn’t still in fact, rage bait.

    There just isn’t a point to it. Rage baiting is manipulation and just awful behavior. Lord knows what else this person will do.

    But hey, do you, last I’ll say about it.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    Jaco DeKalb! Phenomenal.

    And I have never heard the Buckinghams. “Susan” sounds like the Seekers but what a crazy interpolation! And their version of “Mercy, Mercy, Mercy” is no less inventive. But it’s indisputably a Joe Zawinul composition, though the credits for their adaptation expands the songwriting team hilariously.

    Larry Williams crosses my mind everyday (the cat’s life story is incredible) but I was thinking about his relationship with Johnny Guitar Watson just yesterday…and today I find out they share a song credit with Joe Zawinul. On a Buckinghams’ record…

  • edited June 6

    @offbrands said:
    I don’t think I could stomach someone who grossly talks down of a vulnerable group like that.
    Rage baiting is manipulation and just awful behavior. Lord knows what else this person will do.
    But hey, do you[?]

    I don't perceive it that way at all.

    With respect to humor, there are predominant subjective variations today that are, I think, more attributable to generational differences than alleged "ethical failures" where anyone displaying a certain type of humor or temperament is ipso facto "awful" or "evil" etc..

    For example the great "insult comedian" Don Rickles. "Don Rickles, the king of insult comedy, left an indelible mark on the world of humor. His razor-sharp wit and ability to turn any situation into a laugh-fest made him a comedy legend." Rickles often appeared on the Johnny Carson Show (humor show) was not at all dissimilar to Rabin stylistically and in fact was far more blunt and caustic than anything in that looping video; but nobody in the his entire generation and one or two following him (nobody) accused or thought he or the style he represented was "deep down" mean spirited, "malevolent to the vulnerable" etc. even if it totally appeared "mean spirited" on the surface (which is actually why people laughed at Rickles' jokes).

    Fast forward to today, where cancel culture and outrage at perspectives and styles different than those originating more recently have established wide cultural currency. I say the following respectfully, not wishing to be argumentative or judgmental if those of another generational mindset do not agree but for the sake of clarity, that my generation regards reactions to things like that -claiming they are awful, baiting, manipulative, evil behavior,or claiming that folk are "ethically inferior" who do not object or who do not "cancel" by refusing to pass along anything of that sort of style- as overly fragile "snowflakes" have become too reactive and humorless (not entirely humorless, but humorless with respect to a huge comedic genre of the sort a previous generation universally enjoyed without any caveats whatsoever and which produced belly laughs among those with ears to hear).

    You also described his position as "elitist," (because he is Berklee educated and critiquing those who might not have the benefit of a similar education) which I think is certainly true, but not less humorous for all that. I also agreed he is somewhat of "a d&-K" but don't find him less humorous for that either. But -again another generational difference, I think) contemporaneous cancel culture outrage strikes older folk as elitist, and comes across as here to them as "preachy" and "ethically smug and superior" when they claim a different style of humor that got lost somewhere in cultural shifts of time are reducible to "attacks upon the vulnerable" and so on. I honestly don't think loopers as a group are that fragile and vulnerable as all that, but again I would largely attribute the difference to cultural variability/relativity that is culturally subjective rather than ethically objective or superior as such or in some absolute sense. It is easy to rage against Rabin's style and label Rabin's comments as "subjective" without realizing to what degree our own cultural subjectivity and prejudice underlay an outrage which others might see without argument as misplaced over-fragile humorless over-reaction.

    I also trained under a martial arts instructor who later became my bass player who use to insult his students to such a degree some of them would invariably stomp out infuriated; he did it to weed out people with tempers who he thought were better off not knowing the skills he was teaching. He also said one of the best forms of self defense is to learn not to care or get mad no matter how badly you are insulted. Students who had been there for some time had to try not to laugh when he started on someone relatively new. That instructor became my best friend and for many years we have deep down routinely enjoyed saying incredibly insulting things to one another with little other aim than seeing who can insult the other the most or the most outrageously (neither he nor I would do that to just anybody or in a truly malevolent manner). But we love one another like brothers and would probably literally die for one another. Go figure, it's a different culture, not an evil malevolent or ethically inferior one; anyone may disagree; we will maintain it to our graves.

    "To have great poets, there must be great audiences, too," -Walt Whitman

    Again I'm not saying all this disrespectfully condescendingly as if I think an older style "culturally or ethically superior" or as if every generation and or displacing, displaced or partially displaced paradigm is not value/subjectivity-laden. That said I don't "get" in an existential subjective sense where I could share it the outrage and cancel mentality and probably never will. Neither though will I say your generation is not entitled to be as ludicrous and harmful in its own way as ours is/has in its own way, and I do think the outrage/cancel mentality is as harmful in its way as old school insult humor of the Don Rickles variety.

  • @UrbanNinja said:

    @offbrands said:
    I don’t think I could stomach someone who grossly talks down of a vulnerable group like that.
    Rage baiting is manipulation and just awful behavior. Lord knows what else this person will do.

    I don't perceive it that way at all.

    With respect to humor, there are predominant subjective variations today that are, I think, more attributable to generational differences than alleged "ethical failures" where anyone displaying a certain type of humor or temperament is ipso facto "awful" or "evil" etc..

    For example the great "insult comedian" Don Rickles. "Don Rickles, the king of insult comedy, left an indelible mark on the world of humor. His razor-sharp wit and ability to turn any situation into a laugh-fest made him a comedy legend." Rickles often appeared on the Johnny Carson Show (humor show) was not at all dissimilar to Rabin stylistically and in fact was far more blunt and caustic than anything in that looping video; but nobody in the his entire generation and one or two following him (nobody) accused or thought he or the style he represented was "deep down" mean spirited, "malevolent to the vulnerable" etc. even if it totally appeared "mean spirited" on the surface (which is actually why people laughed at Rickles' jokes).

    Fast forward to today, where cancel culture and outrage at perspectives and styles different than those originating more recently have established wide cultural currency. I say the following respectfully, not wishing to be argumentative or judgmental if those of another generational mindset do not agree but for the sake of clarity, that my generation regards reactions to things like that -claiming they are awful, baiting, manipulative, evil behavior,or claiming that folk are "ethically inferior" who do not object or who do not "cancel" by refusing to pass along anything of that sort of style- as overly fragile "snowflakes" have become too reactive and humorless (not entirely humorless, but humorless with respect to a huge comedic genre of the sort a previous generation universally enjoyed without any caveats whatsoever and which produced belly laughs among those with ears to hear).

    You also described his position as "elitist," (because he is Berklee educated and critiquing those who might not have the benefit of a similar education) which I think is certainly true, but not less humorous for all that. I also agreed he is somewhat of "a d&-K" but don't find him less humorous for that either. But -again another generational difference, I think) contemporaneous cancel culture outrage strikes older folk as elitist, and comes across as here to them as "preachy" and "ethically smug and superior" when they claim a different style of humor that got lost somewhere in cultural shifts of time are reducible to "attacks upon the vulnerable" and so on. I honestly don't think loopers as a group are that fragile and vulnerable as all that, but again I would largely attribute the difference to cultural variability/relativity that is culturally subjective rather than ethically objective or superior as such or in some absolute sense. It is easy to rage against Rabin's style and label Rabin's comments as "subjective" without realizing to what degree our own cultural subjectivity and prejudice underlay an outrage which others might see without argument as misplaced over-fragile humorless over-reaction.
    Again I'm not saying this disrespectfully, as if every generation and or displacing, displaced or partially displaced paradigm is not value/subjectivity-laden. That said I don't get the outrage and probably never will. Neither though will I say your generation is not entitled to be as ludicrous and harmful in its own way as ours is/has its own way, and I do think the outrage/cancel mentality is as harmful in its way as old school insult humor of the Don Rickles variety.

    It's hard to respond to this when you're using quotes multiple times to things I did not say, I never said 'elitist' and never said 'ethically inferior' - calling out the education was to highlight that I found it distasteful for someone who should know better than to be hateful to a vulnerable group, I don't believe I made mention of what I think of their ethics, though I think I understand why you think that's the case.

    With respect, I'm not any authority or a person with a following nor am I upset enough about this guy to give him any more attention than this comment in reference to that person.

    I'm not in a rage, I'm just stating an opinion that I feel isn't humorous. I'm not getting any kind of a mob to in unison to cancel him. I don't believe that humor has changed as much as you say, because I think the understanding has evolved in many ways that shows that this kind of humor was always in poor taste, that's how life goes, we grow to learn to be better humans for other people.

    Either way. I'm just a guy on forum, who grew up in poverty, in unfortunate neighborhoods, in and out of having housing and shelters with my single-parent mother, and sisters.

    I didn't have the kind of privilege (not using that as a pejorative as some might take it) as this person evidently does.

    Later in my life, I had to again experience homeless as a young adult, worked my way out of it, had a lot of luck, then hello 2008 financial crises, to which, also left me in a bad position.

    Worked my way through it, spent many free nights of mine going to shelters and helping youth get on paths to hopefully get a roof over their heads, as well as feeds for adults and helping at food banks. I did that because I recognized how many people it took for me to make it as far as I did, and overall, I still had to remind myself that it wasn't as bad as it could have been.

    Did you like stop to think maybe people here have dealt with that? It doesn't seem so and that isn't to call you out really, it's to point out that the video personality didn't either and I find that really gross. I probably always will.

    This isn't some generational cancel culture no more humor thing (that isn't actually happening - people don't get cancelled lol) - It's about not punching / laughing down at people and not giving attention to people who aren't good people. Cause that action isn't an action of a good person. It's an action of a loser, imo.

    For the record -I find Don Rickles very funny, I find Richard Pryor very funny (from my father's hometown) and I even still find myself laughing at dumb horrible jokes I did in my youth, I grew up watching Chappelles show (when I had a place and tv)

    SO, with respect... I appreciate you taking the time to respond, even though I don't think the quotes was a very fair representation of what I was saying, or even used properly as a implication.

    To put a bow on this... I saw the video the thread is on through a youtuber I watch and he used this teaser clip in the start showing a clip where the screen reads

    "At 31 years of age, I finally mustered up the courage to pursue music" -

    to which the youtuber says

    "its over i'm sorry pal its too late by the time you figure out how to use that stuff it's done it's too late"

    -- I found that hilarious, especially so since I started getting into music at 33 and he's probably right honestly.

    Do you see the difference? Like that is making a joke at the expense of someones experience but it's not punching down to someone who is vulnerable. That's the issue to me.

    You could find things funny, that I find abhorrent, and you can think I'm whatever you think that I am by calling it out, I again, mean all of this with respect, and I'm grateful that this seems to be a productive conversation. I'm not hating on anyone or even judging them, just calling out something gross and moving on.

  • @UrbanNinja said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @supadom said:
    I think the guy’s a d&*k. I didn’t last 10mins watching it.

    Although it’s got to be said that bad looping can be bad.

    Absolutely correct and concisely put. He needs to study a little more.

    While it might be hard to argue with the claim "the guy's a d&*k" (albeit a pretty humorous one), lack of study is not a reasonably warranted attribute of this information-saturated Berkley educated musician.

    @Gavinski said:
    I only watched about a minute of the video, but I'd be very surprised if this guy hates looping as much as he claims. This polemic is likely a exaggeration of his true opinions, either for rhetorical impact or for clicks, or for both, no?

    I've seen many of his videos and am convinced this is completely correct.

    Just because someone has the best education ‘money could buy’ doesn’t mean they know everything about that subject, indeed the subject ‘music and sound’ pre-existed formal educational institutions.

    Cyclical music forms have existed for a long time, as we understand history, indeed they even exist among other species.

    They have existed in early know forms of spiritual and religious ‘ceremonies’ mantra’s, chants and so on incorporating instruments and sounds of a droning nature, often with the purpose to alter one’s state of mind.

    Maybe he should step ‘out of the box’ of his education and study a little more.

    @offbrands <3 deepest respect.

  • I watched another few videos by this guy. Grade A asshole. See this for example:

    https://youtube.com/shorts/OXphpHgQpwk?si=juGVP9EMBf9PW88W

  • @Gavinski said:
    I watched another few videos by this guy. Grade A asshole. See this for example:

    https://youtube.com/shorts/OXphpHgQpwk?si=juGVP9EMBf9PW88W

    Yeah, it doesn’t take much to spot one.

    I’d love someone to pick one of his videos apart but then again, perhaps shit should be left where it belongs instead of being engaged with.

  • @supadom said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I watched another few videos by this guy. Grade A asshole. See this for example:

    https://youtube.com/shorts/OXphpHgQpwk?si=juGVP9EMBf9PW88W

    Yeah, it doesn’t take much to spot one.

    I’d love someone to pick one of his videos apart but then again, perhaps shit should be left where it belongs instead of being engaged with.

    Indeed!

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