JUNE by AudioThing (Released)

timfromtheborder

@Pxlhg said:

@timfromtheborder said:
... Sadly there’s no Prophet or ARP 2600 for iPad.

Excuse a total novice on synths, their history whatnot but isn't Korg Odyssey = ARP 2600, or a stripped version of it at least. Maybe I got that wrong?

No it’s the ARP Odyssey, hence the name. Yes, the Odyssey is like a stripped down 2600, it’s more of a traditional monosynth. AFAIK it is not Auv3 though so it’s dead to me.

greatestlengths

@ecou said:

@ecou said:

@Squishy said:

@ecou said:
You probably already know Carpenter Brut

And Gunship but covering the basses. And the videos are so cool.

Rad sounds man! Which synths did you use for making these? Or is every track different? Rephrase: are these Juno emulations the best choice for synthwave or are there other bangers that excel more at that genre?
(Also new to synthwave but it kinda reminds me of Hotline Miami haha)

Edit: my bad, sometimes it hides the vids here when “Quoting” sometimes it doesn’t…

These are not my songs. I wish they were. lol

I know Gunship uses all hardware synths and most of them Sequencial.

Is Juno the best ? Depends on what type of Synthwave you want to create.

This is my music
https://www.soundcloud.com/a_shade_darker/tokyo-cyber-racing-league

@Squishy said:

@ecou said:
You probably already know Carpenter Brut

And Gunship but covering the basses. And the videos are so cool.

Rad sounds man! Which synths did you use for making these? Or is every track different? Rephrase: are these Juno emulations the best choice for synthwave or are there other bangers that excel more at that genre?
(Also new to synthwave but it kinda reminds me of Hotline Miami haha)

Edit: my bad, sometimes it hides the vids here when “Quoting” sometimes it doesn’t…

Thank you!

Here’s another of mine that sounds more like @greatestlengths limited view of Synthwave.

https://on.soundcloud.com/3KK2BZI9GUbSp7Dh2q

Why are you pretending I have a limited view of synthwave?
It's weird af lol

greatestlengths

@Squishy said:

@ecou said:
You probably already know Carpenter Brut

And Gunship but covering the basses. And the videos are so cool.

Rad sounds man! Which synths did you use for making these? Or is every track different? Rephrase: are these Juno emulations the best choice for synthwave or are there other bangers that excel more at that genre?
(Also new to synthwave but it kinda reminds me of Hotline Miami haha)

Edit: my bad, sometimes it hides the vids here when “Quoting” sometimes it doesn’t…

There isn't a "best choice" for the genre, it's more that a lot of synthwave is quite basic, and is influenced by music that was created on older gear that was limited.

The Juno types of synth are 100% able to be used as anyone's sole synth for synthwave, whether or not they're "the best" is subjective and dependent on what you're after.

They aren't capable of overly complex sounds of extreme layering, they don't have infinite oscillators or a wealth of fx and modulation etc. At their heart, they're a basic synth and that's more than anyone needs to make synthwave music.

If you want to hear music that makes a whole lot of use out of a Juno - try Bleachers, their music is absolutely drenched in sounds from a Juno (a real Juno-6 though, not a software imitation).

Slam_Cut

@Squishy said:
I saw that there USED to be an iProphet on iOS too. An Arturia one at that! The things I missed out on… CHERISH the synths you have, people! ❤️

I forgot about that one. I think it was a victim of the switch to 64 bit, so I doubt Arturia will re-write that and maybe toss in AUv3, but it would sure be nice if they did. Now I feel I need to use my old iPad more, and return to an IAA oriented workflow.

AlexY

I always associated the Juno with Prince for some reason (probably read it online).

oscillotus

Thanks @ecou, I've added these to my Spotify artists. Watching Stranger Things rn, so the timing is pretty good Feel free to suggest some more if anything pops up!

Squishy

@greatestlengths said:

@Squishy said:

@ecou said:
You probably already know Carpenter Brut

And Gunship but covering the basses. And the videos are so cool.

Rad sounds man! Which synths did you use for making these? Or is every track different? Rephrase: are these Juno emulations the best choice for synthwave or are there other bangers that excel more at that genre?
(Also new to synthwave but it kinda reminds me of Hotline Miami haha)

Edit: my bad, sometimes it hides the vids here when “Quoting” sometimes it doesn’t…

There isn't a "best choice" for the genre, it's more that a lot of synthwave is quite basic, and is influenced by music that was created on older gear that was limited.

The Juno types of synth are 100% able to be used as anyone's sole synth for synthwave, whether or not they're "the best" is subjective and dependent on what you're after.

They aren't capable of overly complex sounds of extreme layering, they don't have infinite oscillators or a wealth of fx and modulation etc. At their heart, they're a basic synth and that's more than anyone needs to make synthwave music.

If you want to hear music that makes a whole lot of use out of a Juno - try Bleachers, their music is absolutely drenched in sounds from a Juno (a real Juno-6 though, not a software imitation).

Cheers man! I gave Take the Sadness Out a listen, cool to see it used in a whole different way/genre. I bet they put on one hell of a live show. And yea, a few songs especially I was like “Hey, that’s the JUNE!” Haha

ecou

@timfromtheborder said:

@ecou said:

@timfromtheborder said:
@Squishy synthwave is based on 80s sound, think Vangelis, John Carpenter, etc. Probably the definitive synth is the Yamaha CS-80, I think Baby Audio’s BA-1 is close to it. I believe Vangelis used a Microwave 1 for Blade Runner. I would also recommend Sunrizer, it’s not an emulation but it’s in the ballpark. Sadly there’s no Prophet or ARP 2600 for iPad. The Nord was big, not sure if there’s a true emulation. AudioKit’s NERD synth is a hybrid synth/rompler I think.

I do agree that Synthwave isn’t too complex, but that’s just keeping inside the label, some of those tracks linked above could be called Chillwave, or Dark Synth, or something else. “Pure” synthwave is not super broad IMO.

Yes you are right they are Chillwave and Dark Synth. Both styles are sub genre of Synthwave.

Chillwave is not a subgenre of Synthwave, they were created simultaneously and are pretty distinct. I would never describe Neon Indian or Washed Out or Memory Tapes as Synthwave, heck, some of them barely use synthesizers 😆. But that’s getting pretty off topic, no need to pursue a debate on the subject.

@Squishy Giorgio Moroder is another big influence. That Italo Giallo soundtrack sound. Or check out the soundtrack for To Live and Die in LA. You take that raw sound, slow it down, add some reverb and woozy tape effects and you’ve got Synthwave.

Thank you for pointing my error on Chillwave. I had a dive in its history.

AnalogMatthew

@dendy said:
I was talking about lately released synths - nerd, viral and entire “king of” serie (vhs, digital, fm, snes, sega - I don’t know all of them just few) - those i know are based on sampled library from given HW - that’s why these plugins reminds a bit sound of these HW machines, not from faithful emulation of oscillators, filters and all other elements of original synths, they even don’t emulate (not even remotely) basic architecture of given HW synth (especially nerd and viral) - they just contain tons of samoled material from HW , that’s it.

I don’t want to hijack a thread about another app, but just to clear up a few things:

@Dendy is right that the "King of" series (VHS, Digital, FM, SNES, SEGA, etc.) is closer to the old Nexus-style ROM players. They’re sample-based instruments meant to capture the vibe of those machines, not fully emulate their synth engines.

NERD Synth is more like the hardware Nord A1. No sampled presets, no hardware captures, just the same raw single-cycle ROM waveforms you’d find in the real A1. If you hook up an actual A1 over MIDI, most of the knobs even line up, and the wave selector even pulls up the same shapes and names.

VIRAL Synth is more of a hybrid. It’s got wave shapes inspired by the Virus TI2 (recreated and renamed for legal reasons) plus a bonus XL bank of exclusive post-processed sounds I made myself for the app. Think of it as the soul of a Virus mixed with some modern sound design and sample layering, kind of like a Prophet X.

With VIRAL and NERD, the idea was basically “what would those companies build if they started from scratch for iOS?” Not clones. Starting over focused on workflow, ease of use, and that same tone and spirit that made the originals special. Same DNA, less menu diving, and honestly just FUN to play.

J6 has its filter and half of its oscillators modeled directly after the Jupiter 8 using machine learning. Fun fact, in the old blind tests here on the boards, about eighty percent of listeners thought it sounded more like real hardware than Roland’s own two hundred dollar VST.

Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled AudioThing talk 🫡

Nighur

@AnalogMatthew said:

@dendy said:
I was talking about lately released synths - nerd, viral and entire “king of” serie (vhs, digital, fm, snes, sega - I don’t know all of them just few) - those i know are based on sampled library from given HW - that’s why these plugins reminds a bit sound of these HW machines, not from faithful emulation of oscillators, filters and all other elements of original synths, they even don’t emulate (not even remotely) basic architecture of given HW synth (especially nerd and viral) - they just contain tons of samoled material from HW , that’s it.

I don’t want to hijack a thread about another app, but just to clear up a few things:

@Dendy is right that the "King of" series (VHS, Digital, FM, SNES, SEGA, etc.) is closer to the old Nexus-style ROM players. They’re sample-based instruments meant to capture the vibe of those machines, not fully emulate their synth engines.

NERD Synth is more like the hardware Nord A1. No sampled presets, no hardware captures, just the same raw single-cycle ROM waveforms you’d find in the real A1. If you hook up an actual A1 over MIDI, most of the knobs even line up, and the wave selector even pulls up the same shapes and names.

VIRAL Synth is more of a hybrid. It’s got wave shapes inspired by the Virus TI2 (recreated and renamed for legal reasons) plus a bonus XL bank of exclusive post-processed sounds I made myself for the app. Think of it as the soul of a Virus mixed with some modern sound design and sample layering, kind of like a Prophet X.

With VIRAL and NERD, the idea was basically “what would those companies build if they started from scratch for iOS?” Not clones. Starting over focused on workflow, ease of use, and that same tone and spirit that made the originals special. Same DNA, less menu diving, and honestly just FUN to play.

J6 has its filter and half of its oscillators modeled directly after the Jupiter 8 using machine learning. Fun fact, in the old blind tests here on the boards, about eighty percent of listeners thought it sounded more like real hardware than Roland’s own two hundred dollar VST.

Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled AudioThing talk 🫡

Me, I’m just glad to play them all

Tones4Christ

Love them all

So blessed to have all these amazing Synths and wonderful Developers!

@AnalogMatthew said:

@dendy said:
I was talking about lately released synths - nerd, viral and entire “king of” serie (vhs, digital, fm, snes, sega - I don’t know all of them just few) - those i know are based on sampled library from given HW - that’s why these plugins reminds a bit sound of these HW machines, not from faithful emulation of oscillators, filters and all other elements of original synths, they even don’t emulate (not even remotely) basic architecture of given HW synth (especially nerd and viral) - they just contain tons of samoled material from HW , that’s it.

I don’t want to hijack a thread about another app, but just to clear up a few things:

@Dendy is right that the "King of" series (VHS, Digital, FM, SNES, SEGA, etc.) is closer to the old Nexus-style ROM players. They’re sample-based instruments meant to capture the vibe of those machines, not fully emulate their synth engines.

NERD Synth is more like the hardware Nord A1. No sampled presets, no hardware captures, just the same raw single-cycle ROM waveforms you’d find in the real A1. If you hook up an actual A1 over MIDI, most of the knobs even line up, and the wave selector even pulls up the same shapes and names.

VIRAL Synth is more of a hybrid. It’s got wave shapes inspired by the Virus TI2 (recreated and renamed for legal reasons) plus a bonus XL bank of exclusive post-processed sounds I made myself for the app. Think of it as the soul of a Virus mixed with some modern sound design and sample layering, kind of like a Prophet X.

With VIRAL and NERD, the idea was basically “what would those companies build if they started from scratch for iOS?” Not clones. Starting over focused on workflow, ease of use, and that same tone and spirit that made the originals special. Same DNA, less menu diving, and honestly just FUN to play.

J6 has its filter and half of its oscillators modeled directly after the Jupiter 8 using machine learning. Fun fact, in the old blind tests here on the boards, about eighty percent of listeners thought it sounded more like real hardware than Roland’s own two hundred dollar VST.

Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled AudioThing talk 🫡

timforsyth

Over the last few evenings I started writing a script to convert TAL presets to June, just for fun. So far, the results are interesting and as expected they sound quite different on most presets. This is partly due to differences in features, the sounds of the oscillators and the filter.

For example, the Lfo in TAL has a random wave, June has sample and hold, the arpeggiator modes play differently and the pulse dco, to my ears, is hugely different.. Tal can go super thin and is fatter when square. June feels more retro in comparison like real hardware.

I have converted the Bjoerns Preset Bank and Krezie Synthwave… should I share these on here? I’m worried breaking rules or ruffling feathers by essentially damaging the hard work of the original preset owners by translating these presets.

ecou

@timforsyth said:
Over the last few evenings I started writing a script to convert TAL presets to June, just for fun. So far, the results are interesting and as expected they sound quite different on most presets. This is partly due to differences in features, the sounds of the oscillators and the filter.

For example, the Lfo in TAL has a random wave, June has sample and hold, the arpeggiator modes play differently and the pulse dco, to my ears, is hugely different.. Tal can go super thin and is fatter when square. June feels more retro in comparison like real hardware.

I have converted the Bjoerns Preset Bank and Krezie Synthwave… should I share these on here? I’m worried breaking rules or ruffling feathers by essentially damaging the hard work of the original preset owners by translating these presets.

Sharing the script would be completely legal and appreciated.

wim

Sharing the presets themselves wouldn't be ok though, unless the originals are free and the license allows redistribution.

timforsyth

The preset packs I’ve tried are free but I don’t know what the redistribution rights are, so I’m being cautious. The script is written in Java (my main language) but I’ll port it to python or node if that’s awkward or annoying for people.

Will commit it to GitHub tomorrow.

Tones4Christ

Super sweet

@timforsyth said:
The preset packs I’ve tried are free but I don’t know what the redistribution rights are, so I’m being cautious. The script is written in Java (my main language) but I’ll port it to python or node if that’s awkward or annoying for people.

Will commit it to GitHub tomorrow.

Slush

@AnalogMatthew said:

J6 has its filter and half of its oscillators modeled directly after the Jupiter 8 using machine learning. Fun fact, in the old blind tests here on the boards, about eighty percent of listeners thought it sounded more like real hardware than Roland’s own two hundred dollar VST.

This 👍

dendy

@AnalogMatthew said:

J6 has its filter and half of its oscillators modeled directly after the Jupiter 8 using machine learning. Fun fact, in the old blind tests here on the boards, about eighty percent of listeners thought it sounded more like real hardware than Roland’s own two hundred dollar VST.

Yup, as i already wrote, sorry, my mistake here, was not fully aware of J6 i though it's similar to other AK synths ..

espiegel123

@timfromtheborder said:

@Pxlhg said:

@timfromtheborder said:
... Sadly there’s no Prophet or ARP 2600 for iPad.

Excuse a total novice on synths, their history whatnot but isn't Korg Odyssey = ARP 2600, or a stripped version of it at least. Maybe I got that wrong?

No it’s the ARP Odyssey, hence the name. Yes, the Odyssey is like a stripped down 2600, it’s more of a traditional monosynth. AFAIK it is not Auv3 though so it’s dead to me.

While it isn’t AUv3, imo it might be the best-sounding virtual analog on iOS. The Odyssey also has an interesting FM implementation. I hope it won’t be too long before they release the AUv3 version.

timforsyth

Here's the script to convert TAL presets to June, instructions in the README.

https://github.com/timforsyth/june-o

If you have issues, please DM me rather than clog this thread up (or perhaps I'll make a new discussion). I'll try to be as responsive as possible but this should be easy to run if you have some basic command line skills.

I'll try to be as helpful as I can but to set some ground rules, I don't want to become IT support for your MAC/PC. Hope you understand

I tried this script by following the instructions on 18 preset packs and while I haven't tested every sound, the results are better than I expected but still quite variable. I deliberately didn't copy the FX settings over - they are quite different beasts and it risked screwing up the sound further.

Also, don't forget Chorus I + II is mono!

yaknepper

@timforsyth said:
Here's the script to convert TAL presets to Juno, instructions in the README.

https://github.com/timforsyth/june-o

If you have issues, please DM me rather than clog this thread up (or perhaps I'll make a new discussion). I'll try to be as responsive as possible but this should be easy to run if you have some basic command line skills.

I'll try to be as helpful as I can but to set some ground rules, I don't want to become IT support for your MAC/PC. Hope you understand

I tried this script by following the instructions on 18 preset packs and while I haven't tested every sound, the results are better than I expected but still quite variable. I deliberately didn't copy the FX settings over - they are quite different beasts and it risked screwing up the sound further.

Also, don't forget Chorus I + II is mono!

I would have no clue how to do this myself, but this is absolutely awesome community/forum behaviour. Respect and thanks!

audiothing

@timforsyth said:
Here's the script to convert TAL presets to June, instructions in the README.

https://github.com/timforsyth/june-o

That’s really nice, thanks for sharing! I’ve been working on something similar for a future update, importing other emulation presets. Of course, many parameters differ or use different scaling, but it could still serve as a good starting point.

edit: Just to be clear, we’re not importing or using any third-party presets. This is simply in response to users who already own other emulations and have asked for a way to bring their presets over. Surprisingly, we’ve received quite a few requests for that.

timforsyth

@audiothing said:

@timforsyth said:
Here's the script to convert TAL presets to June, instructions in the README.

https://github.com/timforsyth/june-o

That’s really nice, thanks for sharing! I’ve been working on something similar for a future update, importing other emulation presets. Of course, many parameters differ or use different scaling, but it could still serve as a good starting point

I found at least 3 different versions of the TAL preset file. The main issue I had was they changed the number of time based options in the lfo and arp at some point in the past. I've done my best guess using an old manual and it will do for now.

Having played around some more, even though some presents sound different I think I prefer the way they sound in June... It's warmer, like an old piece of kit. Top job you guys have done on this synth.

Tones4Christ

Yes, please if you could do that, that would be soooo awesome!
I consider myself techy but this is way above my pay grade! Lol

@audiothing said:

@timforsyth said:
Here's the script to convert TAL presets to June, instructions in the README.

https://github.com/timforsyth/june-o

That’s really nice, thanks for sharing! I’ve been working on something similar for a future update, importing other emulation presets. Of course, many parameters differ or use different scaling, but it could still serve as a good starting point.

edit: Just to be clear, we’re not importing or using any third-party presets. This is simply in response to users who already own other emulations and have asked for a way to bring their presets over. Surprisingly, we’ve received quite a few requests for that.

Tones4Christ

Exactly! That’s what I felt right when I played the default preset! Took me way back to the 80’s! Nothing has done that so far, but then again, I couldn’t afford any of the Moogs. Lol

@timforsyth said:

@audiothing said:

@timforsyth said:
Here's the script to convert TAL presets to June, instructions in the README.

https://github.com/timforsyth/june-o

That’s really nice, thanks for sharing! I’ve been working on something similar for a future update, importing other emulation presets. Of course, many parameters differ or use different scaling, but it could still serve as a good starting point

I found at least 3 different versions of the TAL preset file. The main issue I had was they changed the number of time based options in the lfo and arp at some point in the past. I've done my best guess using an old manual and it will do for now.

Having played around some more, even though some presents sound different I think I prefer the way they sound in June... It's warmer, like an old piece of kit. Top job you guys have done on this synth.

egobeats

I feel like J6 has the synth wave Juno sounds pretty well covered. While June is a faithful reproduction(emu) of the bare synth. We have some great preset folks, it’s not a bad idea for someone to make some presets for The sx1000, res-09, and June.

@DMTcymatics does some dope synth wave stuff, as a matter of fact- I believe there might be some synth wave presets from him in J6.

I overlooked how good the RNDM button in AudioThings emu’s are… you can poop out hundreds in an evening easily.

I think I overlooked it because it actually randomizes the settings, opposed to cycling thru presets rompler vs emulation behavior I suppose.

ElektrikDiva

@echoopera said:
This is a wonderful synth:

Thanks @audiothing

Stunning Echo-very nicely done! Cheers, ED

Gavinski

@egobeats said:
I feel like J6 has the synth wave Juno sounds pretty well covered. While June is a faithful reproduction(emu) of the bare synth. We have some great preset folks, it’s not a bad idea for someone to make some presets for The sx1000, res-09, and June.

@DMTcymatics does some dope synth wave stuff, as a matter of fact- I believe there might be some synth wave presets from him in J6.

I overlooked how good the RNDM button in AudioThings emu’s are… you can poop out hundreds in an evening easily.

I think I overlooked it because it actually randomizes the settings, opposed to cycling thru presets rompler vs emulation behavior I suppose.

You're comparing the randomizer behaviour in J6 vs June, right? J6 picks presets at random, June randomizes settings. But this is not actually any rompler vs emulation behaviour. First of all, J6 is not a rompler remember, hehe. Secondly, even if it is was, it still has settings. Deciding to make the random dice randomize preset rather than settings was a decision Matt made, that's all. It could easily have been set up to randomize Settings.

The ideal is to have both options imo. One button to pick a preset at random, one to randomize settings, with lock, undo and redo buttons for the latter function!

DMfan

@Gavinski said:

@egobeats said:
I feel like J6 has the synth wave Juno sounds pretty well covered. While June is a faithful reproduction(emu) of the bare synth. We have some great preset folks, it’s not a bad idea for someone to make some presets for The sx1000, res-09, and June.

@DMTcymatics does some dope synth wave stuff, as a matter of fact- I believe there might be some synth wave presets from him in J6.

I overlooked how good the RNDM button in AudioThings emu’s are… you can poop out hundreds in an evening easily.

I think I overlooked it because it actually randomizes the settings, opposed to cycling thru presets rompler vs emulation behavior I suppose.

You're comparing the randomizer behaviour in J6 vs June, right? J6 picks presets at random, June randomizes settings. But this is not actually any rompler vs emulation behaviour. First of all, J6 is not a rompler remember, hehe. Secondly, even if it is was, it still has settings. Deciding to make the random dice randomize preset rather than settings was a decision Matt made, that's all. It could easily have been set up to randomize Settings.

The ideal is to have both options imo. One button to pick a preset at random, one to randomize settings, with lock, undo and redo buttons for the latter function!

This☝️.

/DMfan🇸🇪

Squishy

@Gavinski said:

@egobeats said:
I feel like J6 has the synth wave Juno sounds pretty well covered. While June is a faithful reproduction(emu) of the bare synth. We have some great preset folks, it’s not a bad idea for someone to make some presets for The sx1000, res-09, and June.

@DMTcymatics does some dope synth wave stuff, as a matter of fact- I believe there might be some synth wave presets from him in J6.

I overlooked how good the RNDM button in AudioThings emu’s are… you can poop out hundreds in an evening easily.

I think I overlooked it because it actually randomizes the settings, opposed to cycling thru presets rompler vs emulation behavior I suppose.

You're comparing the randomizer behaviour in J6 vs June, right? J6 picks presets at random, June randomizes settings. But this is not actually any rompler vs emulation behaviour. First of all, J6 is not a rompler remember, hehe. Secondly, even if it is was, it still has settings. Deciding to make the random dice randomize preset rather than settings was a decision Matt made, that's all. It could easily have been set up to randomize Settings.

The ideal is to have both options imo. One button to pick a preset at random, one to randomize settings, with lock, undo and redo buttons for the latter function!

Here here! Apple should make it a requirement that when submitting an app with randomize settings functions, a lock on AT LEAST the mix knob or no release haha. I can think of a few instances I’ve rageclosed an app while randomizing cause I had to constantly go back to the mix knob to see if the results are even blended in