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@Crabman said:
Yep.
@MusicInclusive said:
and they are ..tss... right?
@Crabman said:
Who is making that app, indeed?
No more Retronyms for me
@Goozoon: which app?Casio?Thor?
Even if it had Audiobus support I wouldn't buy it. It looks ok, but as everyone else has said we're still waiting for fixes to their existing products. Without Audiobus it's an absolutely no go for me.
They might be clever developers but they don't understand the first thing about building brand/customer loyalty.
@monzo said:
Word
I agree also, the only way Retronyms are gonna realize the importance of customers is those not buying their stuff anymore with that same old hope, that they're going to fix the missing pieces later on. Happened too often with Retronyms. Also: no Audiobus, no go!
Tim at Discchord has a Let's Play up for this. Don't know if I'll get this or not, but I learned a lot
http://discchord.com/blog/2014/12/16/lets-play-with-phase84.html
Fixes takes time. But looksy what's out today..
"@retronyms: In other synth news, @ArturiaOfficial iProphet update out now (iOS8 fixes, midi channel fix, custom preset delete, audiobus 2.1.5)."
Plus oscillator bug fixes, frequency bug fixes..
not in my country yet.And i know,you can never do things right for critical customer but part of me surprisingly thinks the release of the updates right now is a just promotional prevention to avoid a total debacle with the new synth and not rediscovered love for their buyers because it's christmas :-p
Yeah,that's my dark side thinking bad bad stuff like this.Usually i ignore it but it's also responsible for a lot of weak moments in my life (the appoholic moments...)
I think if we all help JP and Retronyms to 'understand' what AudioBus means to all of us we might be able to push for a change.
The latest FB-comments feel like pure ignorance or 'lack of knowledge', and it is an 'open goal' meaning it seems like they this time really wan't to know what we use AudioBus for.
"We support app-to-app audio with Apple's free Inter-App audio standard. If there are specific things you can do with AB that you can't with IAA, I'd be interested to know. /JP"
So if we really wan't AB support I think we need to explain to them how we use AudioBus and not just yell "Include AudioBus in all your Products"
It was by pushing on their FB page that we finally got a 'Delete Samples iMPC Pro' and i guess 'Delete User Presets' for iProphet and iMini too...
What I've learned is that it's better to give constructive criticism rather than 'throwing pies'
(Yes I got Phase84, can't get enough of the Gated-Stuff).
That's true, constructive is helpful. I do also wonder if as a company an investment of 4.99 or 9.99 or whatever audiobus costs now would be a prudent business expense, which could then allow firsthand audiobus experience?
@mrufino1 said:
I highly doubt it's about the money as it's free to include AudioBus support in the apps.
I see it more as lack of doing market research/analysis and being stubborn...
I also know that they can implement AudioBus if they really wan't to as they've done it with iProphet and iMini.
So time will tell when it will happens as IAA is hardly a replacement for AudioBus...
Honestly I've been using AudioShare to record most of stuff and it already supports IAA-Nodes really good. Running Pahase84 & ProMidi and recording the results in AudioShare solves most of the issues for me...
Yes, I meant they could buy audiobus to use it and see why people like it, which would be market research. Of course, since there's no shortage of people letting them know what's important, it would seem the market research has been done but is being ignored.
Anyway, I try not to worry about what they do now as they've proven their philosophy. And I can easily ignore it and get on with things. Life's been ok without relying on imini.
@Sebastian said:
We don't really see Audiobus as competition either (at least AFAIK), and I know I personally want to add it to all our products. There's always a chance in the future that can change (I want it to).
As for the Wej, I think it fits in a niche that no other product fits in as well. But my opinion is invalid. :P
@mrufino1 said:
We have Audiobus in our office, that's not the "problem" per se. It really does come down to what we hear from Twitter/Facebook. I can always tell them what I think and what this forum thinks, but it's not my decision.
@mana said:
I bought iMPC Pro on release, only to discover the sample edit bug meant I couldn't use it as advertised until a fix turned up a month later. Since then a range of other bugs have meant I can't rely on the stability and performance of the app and am ready to delete it. In particular, IAA performs less effectively than Audiobus only iPad 2, so it's pretty much unusable for me as a part of my workflow.
The complaints I've seen on this site, and others from your customers are pretty clear as to what is required. Someone really needs to communicate to whoever it is that makes the decisions, that you're really screwing up your reputation on this one. Particularly when you're churning out new releases while existing products are left unsupported.
Someone on this forum very accurately labelled the iMPC Pro as 'abandonware'. As a customer I'm feeling pretty abandoned too.
Speaking of fixes, iMini update w/ new features and bug fixes is at Apples HQ awaiting approval. New cool synth, couple of apps updated w/ new features plus bug fixes, today. Not bad!
This is a comment from the dev:
I've been trying to find a reason to support Audiobus, but everywhere I look it just seems like a non-free closed standard that does what Inter-app does. It also requires a lot of code maintenance to support, more than Inter-app. Any thoughts on it from a user's perspective?
His complaint about non-free closed? Whatever does he think TableTop is then? And it shouldn't take much investigation to understand how AB differs from IAA either.
So my other concern is the MIDI implementation. Saying "supported" is not enough to get me to part with $13. Especially without AB support. Can anyone confirm (or otherwise) if it offers source port select-ability and MIDI channel selection? MIDI Learn?
This developer does not seem honest at best! If request from users is not enough reason I pretty much don,t expect him on board ever. Where is state saving effects chains ect working in iaa? Did we miss something?
Wow - that is interesting David. @dwarman Where was that a quote from?
Not port selectable but I can put it into midi 1 on MTS, then move it into midi 2 and put another synth into 1 and record both with separation...not sure how that works but it does. IAA/MTS thing. And there's midi learn. Which is a good thing because it sounds shit hot especially the way it can move. The price point is fine: it's not $20, because it's not Z3ta +, but it does do stuff Z3ta, and Thor, don't do.
I think @mana was very honest. Essentially he was saying "I can say things and I can say that you're saying things, but the only real shot is for you (or whomever) to say things out loud and directly on FB and Twitter." Wheels must squeak and in public.
There are several squeaks on their Facebook page. I'll get the app when and if it gets Audiobus support. There are enough good synth apps out there that have Audiobus support that I'm not going to support an app that doesn't.
@Paulinko FWIW I agree.
@JohnnyGoodyear said:
Agreed. One thing worth mentioning to Retronyms is that Audiobus2 actually enhances apps. Just take a look at some of the many Youtube videos and screenshots of the amazing workflow made possible by AB2. They could produce their own videos demonstrating how powerful iMPC and Phase84 would be when combined and enhanced by Audiobus2. Retronym's reputation would be instantly enhanced by adding AB2. It's a shame that they develop great apps. but quickly lose momentum due to lack of this key feature.
@dwarman said:
I don't understand how he could not see the benefit or need any more "thoughts on it from a user's perspective". That sounds like yet another stall tactic. Why would their major customer Arturia immediately require them to add it to each of their apps.? Akai was not savvy enough to make that same requirement with iMPC and iMPC pro. Their reputation has suffered accordingly.
@JohnnyGoodyear said:
I've been asking people to do that for how long now
If this guy is not hearing the squeak from his latest wheel then he has to be totally deaf. Every comment section I have read today on any forum page is loaded with negative comments on Retronyms lol.
How about this: I wouldn't buy a piece of hardware that I couldn't run through my patchbay. If your software cannot be processed through my virtual patchbay (ie, Audiobus), I'm not going to buy it. I'm hovering over the buy button but won't bother unless it has this feature. IAA is a workaround that falls short of my needs, so if you don't implement a basic system like AB, I won't spend a dime.