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Retronyms Phase84 is now out.

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  • I don't care so much about the audiobus, it's just the poor service that puts me off (from buying their products)

  • I know I sounded very negativ (my comment further up), but the thing is really, it's happened nearly every time Retronyms released an App: Everybody here seems to be real hot on it, buys it, tries it, asks for some refinements, and then the next App gets released, mostly without even a word on the remaining questions. Just to be clear: if they get their stuff together, I WILL be lokking into their Apps again, but not the way it is. They have proven so far to not care about consumer's requests, and after a now very looooong while, they react (concerning Audiobus) with funny arguments for not implementing it, instead of simply trying to better their Apps with asked for, and asked for again, stuff. If they start caring at all, they'll have a long way of establishing trust again. And that's what they themselves have established, didn't they...?
    With honest hopes for better, more honest business from Retronyms, cheers, twobeers

  • @Samu said:

    I think if we all help JP and Retronyms to 'understand' what AudioBus means to all of us we might be able to push for a change.

    The latest FB-comments feel like pure ignorance or 'lack of knowledge', and it is an 'open goal' meaning it seems like they this time really wan't to know what we use AudioBus for.

    "We support app-to-app audio with Apple's free Inter-App audio standard. If there are specific things you can do with AB that you can't with IAA, I'd be interested to know. /JP"

    So if we really wan't AB support I think we need to explain to them how we use AudioBus and not just yell "Include AudioBus in all your Products" ;)

    It was by pushing on their FB page that we finally got a 'Delete Samples iMPC Pro' and i guess 'Delete User Presets' for iProphet and iMini too...

    What I've learned is that it's better to give constructive criticism rather than 'throwing pies' :D

    (Yes I got Phase84, can't get enough of the Gated-Stuff).

    Indeed, can someone please make such a thing? im not a native speaker, so wont make this right

  • Hmm...

    Am I blind or is there no way to select which Midi-Channel Phase84 listens to?

  • Retronyms know most iOS musicians use Audiobus. They want MY money, so why should I have to spend MY time on their FB or Twitter pages justifying why/how I use AB? Too many fingers in too many half baked pies. Get with the program Retronyms

  • Anyway....I'd love to hear from everyone who's used the synth. I'm curious about it. I know a bunch have tried it, but see it completely pointless trying to post about the actual subject when the REtronyms haters mafia is doing the rounds :/ You, me , we have made the same point a thousand times before, no need to do it...again

  • @ChrisG said:

    Anyway....I'd love to hear from everyone who's used the synth. I'm curious about it. I know a bunch have tried it, but see it completely pointless trying to post about the actual subject when the REtronyms haters mafia is doing the rounds :/ You, me , we have made the same point a thousand times before, no need to do it...again

    I can see your point Chris, but customers doing a web search for the new app will come across this thread, as the site is so well indexed. Retronyms know this, and to have a new product release thread peppered with criticisms of how they have failed to support their existing products will not only provide motivation to get things fixed - so the complaints disappear, but also act as a warning to potential buyers who don't know what they might be getting into.

    In one of my iMPC Pro grumbles someone suggested I should have checked their support record before buying. Threads like this will provide that kind of insight, though I agree it needs to be balanced with a discussion on the positive features of the app as well.

  • Haters? Really Chris? This is a forum where we talk about music apps and people come here to learn. Should we now only from here foreword talk only about good things and leave those looking for info only good news about bad apps and developers with poor attitudes and poor track records? Screw the consumer right Chris? I now know one person here I will no longer look to for advice on apps if you keep that attitude! You sound like you are the hater here.

  • edited December 2014

    I don't buy anything retronyms anymore. Burned 1 too many times and really tired of their "play dumb" attitude when you contact them about feature, updates, etc..

  • @ChrisG said:

    Anyway....I'd love to hear from everyone who's used the synth. I'm curious about it. I know a bunch have tried it, but see it completely pointless trying to post about the actual subject when the REtronyms haters mafia is doing the rounds :/ You, me , we have made the same point a thousand times before, no need to do it...again

    The only reason retronyms gets away with shitting all over their customers is people don't spread the word after they've been shit on :)
    I can see though people have had enough but if I can make a post and maybe stop someone buying their buggy unsupported abandonware I will..

  • @ChrisG, this is the Audiobus forum, and I would expect support for AB across the board. If developers see fit not to support the standard, then this is the place to promote their failure. If these developers aren't promoted as failing on this , then they will not change how they build their products

  • I apologize, if any of my thoughts appeared as "hating", this was never my intention. I have kept quiet through a lot of discussions concerning Retronyms, and now it seems, that was the better decision, anyways. I won't bother anymore, and let people make their own experiences without interruption. Cheers, t

  • @animal, likewise. Enough is enough.

  • Anyways, I' m veeery much more concerned with the (hopefully) grrrreat! flux:fx, which is about to land, can't wait, really...

  • Yeah, where the hell is it?

  • To be clear, I don't care too much if they implement audiobus, although I don't see why they wouldn't. What is recognized is the ADHD-like pattern of behavior, which I am too familiar with in my own life. That would be, as someone said before, "Too many fingers in too many half baked pies." Although not half baked, more like 90% baked. But following the behavioral pattern, the initial idea is awesome, the initial release (including videos) is exciting, then the ongoing support and refinement is boring, grueling, non-stimulating work, so it's left to the side while on to the next exciting idea and release.

    As a disclaimer, I am certainly not diagnosing anyone at retronym's with anything, just observing the pattern and its similarities. Although, many creative types do have ADHD, which is likely what helps them be creative. And why the album I recorded with my band in a week in Maine this summer still needs the last 10% of fixes, tweaks, overdubs, etc, and remains, except for 2 songs, unmixed or in various sort of mixed states...

    As for phase 84, it hasn't interested me, I haven't watched any videos even, and right now I'm on app lockdown for the past few months, with the exception of fm4 (for the price, definitely on the "winter lull shedding list" ) anyway. I do know that Thor does phase distortion synthesis, so I'll use the tool I already have to explore that.

    I do look forward to any fixes that were mentioned for imini though as I'd love to be able to use it on stage again.

    Gotta go, I just fell off of my soapbox and may need medical help...;-)

  • @Tritonman2 said:

    Haters? Really Chris? This is a forum where we talk about music apps and people come here to learn. Should we now only from here foreword talk only about good things and leave those looking for info only good news about bad apps and developers with poor attitudes and poor track records? Screw the consumer right Chris? I now know one person here I will no longer look to for advice on apps if you keep that attitude! You sound like you are the hater here.

    Lol. Ack...:)

  • Thanks for listening and keeping the sence of humor in tact.

  • @ChrisG - Pretty much with you on this one. I keep checking back on this thread hoping to hear something about the actual synth, as opposed to the endless takes on the company. People are unhappy with Retronyms. I get it. But from the videos I've seen this looks like an interesting synth. I want to know, from people who have actually used the app, if there are any actual problems with this synth other than the lack of AB. I am curious about how they did with their own synth; iMPC and iMini aren't really theirs.

  • edited December 2014

    @MrNezumi I know Doug @thesoundtestroom is working on a video on this one. He thinks it's the dogs bollocks! (Not a direct quote mind you).

  • ew, stop licking me man@ChrisG said:

    / stop licking me man , reaching for the paper towels

  • @Tritonman2 Just be glad his bollocks aren't in the picture, too ;-p

  • edited December 2014

    Hmmm, that would be odd to say the least yes I do agree.

  • Frustrating to realize that this probably is Retronyms' best work out of the box, while feeling torn about retroactively protesting purchase of past products over their shortcomings and slow/lacking development.

    No mystery: if you like those sounds, don't mind no AB, and unafraid of potentially dodgy Midi/sync, probably reasonable pickup for synth fans with spare change. Regardless, it's racing up app charts and getting love in store - Retronyms wins again - so informed ranting here is at least a bit of (therapeutic) counterbalance.

    BTW, anyone still using Tabletop on the regular?

  • And if any major issues are revealed, just contact your local politician, start letter-writing campaign, organize march, etc. and then they'll know what the people REALLY want and get on it.

  • edited December 2014

    Climbing the charts because it looks and sounds like a nice synth. And Retronyms has a long record of making nice stuff.

    They just don't make stuff that ticks all of the boxes for people who frequent the audiobus forum. I'm one of those people so I'm pretty much over them; they're running a business and I'm not their primary audience. That's ok! Plenty of other awesome stuff on the store.

  • @parallaxobject said:

    BTW, anyone still using Tabletop on the regular?

    I have been playing with it a lot latelly in anticipacion of the new update. I had a lot of fun sidechaing and automating and gitchboarding... I still love it - the stuff that works. I was sure the update would fix some of the iProphet issues inside Tabletop - mainly the one with saving and loading automated iProphet. But that did not happen, and it seems like it's even worse now, the iProphet automation is lost like before but now it also changes the preset... I think that's new. I'm quite bummed out about this I'm not gonna lie.

  • i guess r-nyms is trying to prove that old adage any pr is good pr, they are kind of unique in a way as I think there are more people who don't use tabletop talking about tabletop than those who use tabletop ….. like myself.

  • I love the sound of this synth, but I'm really hesitant to buy it, all the fault of Retronyms really, on another thread somebody quoted one of there guys saying something along the lines that AB requires long term support, well the Eco-System we use, iOS, needs long term support, every time Apple updates iOS, apps break? Retronyms production line of apps seems to be there priority, just wish they put the same commitment into fix's for there apps. They have been reading posts here, so maybe they are already changing.

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