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I have started using Retronym as a synonym for another slang word that I shall not type out other than to say this, i do hope my wife is in the mood for a good Retronyming tonight!
@Tritonman2, I'd do the same but I 'Retronymed' my marriage up!, gotta reinstall Windoze tonight, oooohhhh the joy never ends!
I try to stay neutral about Retronyms in terms of making a buying decision. I own iMini and iMPC Pro. I think I paid $4.99 (sale), and $13 (long-term sale) for them respectively. I also bought iProphet for $9.99 on release.
I have generally positive impressions about all three of those apps. I'm also aware of glitches and missing features that they have, which is frustrating to me. But I also can't be mad about it because Retronyms never said "AudioBus coming soon!".
phase84 differs from those apps in two important ways - It is a synth app that does not offer AudioBus, and it is (slightly) more expensive. As the poster above wrote, IAA is not a dependable option on iPad2. It "works" for the most part, but without the ability to change latency, some apps on IAA just stutter out and there is no adjustment for that. This is why I keep coming back to AudioBus if I need to connect apps. Or I get driven to an enclosed system for Gadget or Caustic (but not for guitar projects, obviously).
Tabletop looks interesting, but it's a huge file size that would enclose production to just a few instrument apps that, frankly, are not my favorite at what they do. I have to think the number of people that are going to limit themselves to Arturia/Retronyms apps simply so they can use Tabletop is pretty small. In that scenario, Tabletop has to compete not just against all the other brands of music apps, but also professional level DAW software, like Cubasis and Auria.
I would get phase84 for 5 bucks if they put it on sale. But I can't really use it the way I want to use it, and it isn't that special that I'm going to rethink my entire workflow to accommodate Retronyms. They should know that, and adopt the AudioBus SDK just like every indie developer seems to be able to figure out. Then they would get more money from me. Isn't that supposed to be the point?
They are reported as sayng that they see no need for audiobus and wanr someone to tell them why they should.
@StormJH1, A well reasoned conclusion, but whatever the situation AB and IAA have given us freedom, with that it frankly seems counter to sense to 'box' yourself in by using tabletop, maybe it is more stable, it seemed you could do quite a bit with it on Doug's video, but freedom to choose will not be boxed in.
I'm guessing they consider the monetary or political gains in keeping some apps Tabketop/IAA only outweigh the additional revenue from AB users. Either that or they're outsourcing the work and can't get the fixes and functionality added.
If neither of the above, and they just can't be bothered then it's two fingers up to customers like me who can't run IAA without their app freezing up.
Bored with their stupid company policy and crashing apps, they won't get any more of my money.
I'd love to know more about the app - the 2 vids (Doug and Tim) look good. As with the iMPC thread - this will probably be 75% discussion of retronyms and 25% discussion of the app.
I'm not a hater or an apologist, I'm not even going there ... but these Retronyms app threads do get a bit 'samey', eh?
@skoptic said:
A good thing in my opinion, if a company treats it's customers badly then they shouldn't just shut up and put up with it. And anyway, no-ones stopping anyone from talking positively about the new app, (not that it's an AB compatible app anyway) the negativity is a reflection of the way a lot of people are feeling about the company that made it.
25% discussion on the app? This thread is 100 posts and there aren't anywhere near 25 posts about the actual app. Less than ten, I would guess. I don't know why I keep revisiting this thread in hopes of getting actual feedback on the app.
@MrNezumi said:
Maybe best to ask Doug about the synth, I've seen the Videos, really like how it sounds, but I ain't testing the water......now if you're game and then sing it's praises, I'm all hears....or maybe @mana will answer any questions he pops in, from time to time.
I'd say there is as much or more video and audio online of this and other Retronyms apps compared to most other music apps. We're not exactly starved for examples, are we? We know the interface, we basically know the kinds of sounds and synthesis it features, and we've seen some positive feedback from demo users and the store. As far as deeper issues, there is probably less potential for deal-breakers that come up on a more complicated app like iMPC Pro.
Then there's the track record and the weariness it's spawned.
I was intrigued to see Doug fire up 7 copies of Phase 84 in TT. I wondered if TT had become somewhat more efficient in the latest release than when I'd tried using it with the InterFX plugin previously, and I managed to get this far without spiking the CPU and without audio glitching. I also ran Animoog separately since I could not run it within TT (I don't have an updated Animoog, I have one that works still [ LFO rate but / screen travel rate bug not fixed yet ] ), and still didn't get any glitching.
Here I'm running Alchemy, Addictive, iMini, iVCS3 into the mixer then the mixer output into AUFX:Dub -> AUFX:PeakQ -> Crystalline -> Altispace. I ran all synths simultaneously.
@MusicInclusive, I too am very interested, I wonder how TT compares, say to Cubase running the same synths via IAA, but would the Midi work?
So, I'm lusting for a new synth. After the success I've had with routing audio from the Alesis IO dock to hardware effects I've decided to give Phase84 a chance.
A question to those who own it: is Phase84 capable of going outside the realm of VA sounds? I haven't heard many good demos, and everything I have heard sounds not very unique in the sense that it could probably be emulated with any number of iOS synths. Can this thing get wacky 'digital'.. what makes its sound unique?