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Roland Sound Canvas IOS

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  • Hope we can Doug on the case, if for nothing more than to preview some of these sounds!

  • Just been updated today. Work fine with TBMidi stuff app. You can play a little with filters, envelope, pitch end,ect. Just hope they eventually update into Audio Bus, or IAA, so we can record into our favourite DAWS.

  • edited January 2015

    @studs1966 Thanks for the TBMidistuff tip, I'd totally forgotten that I had that... off now to set up a template.

  • I purchased this. A Roland is a Roland is a Roland. Perfect for my Logic Pro set up. The sound canvas hardware costs an average of £70 to £80 on eBay so a tenner for this app is a god send. Roland are a hardware company so I'm not expecting them to be big on iOS music tools. As a sound module this is just superb.

  • @studs1966 said:
    Just been updated today. Work fine with TBMidi stuff app. You can play a little with filters, envelope, pitch end,ect. Just hope they eventually update into Audio Bus, or IAA, so we can record into our favourite DAWS.

    Where did you find the Midi CC chart for it?The manual covers just basics (like portamento on/off) but nothing you describe here.

  • @FrankieJay said:
    I purchased this. A Roland is a Roland is a Roland. Perfect for my Logic Pro set up. The sound canvas hardware costs an average of £70 to £80 on eBay so a tenner for this app is a god send. Roland are a hardware company so I'm not expecting them to be big on iOS music tools. As a sound module this is just superb.

    100% agree! just it could! No should be better...........if it was released on the desktop! would you prefer a plugin or stand-alone?

  • edited January 2015

    Has anyone got this to work as an IAA instrument in anything? It appears as an instrument/generator in Cubasis, Audioshare, Auria, etc. but just hangs and eventually fails when trying to load it on my iPad Air 1.

    Also has anyone managed to get the insert FX working? I went so far as to send SysEx at it per the Roland SC-8820 MIDI implementation spec, and was able to get the EFX type to change from BYPASS to one of the other 64 effects. But even after that I could not hear the effect of the sound.

    @Crabman, the manual is here:
    http://lib.roland.co.jp/support/en/manuals/res/1811335/SC-8820_e3.pdf

  • @knewspeak said:
    100% agree! just it could! No should be better...........if it was released on the desktop! would you prefer a plugin or stand-alone?

    I would prefer this as a plugin. Although a plugin might cannibalise Roland hardware synths? What Roland should probably do is go down the Korg route and port stuff like the Roland D50, JV2080 etc to iOS.

  • @FrankieJay, Gimme,gimme,gimme!

  • ok,next try:i can`t save own performances but does the SC at least recognize my last edits etc. when i quit/relaunch the app?

  • @Crabman, I haven't got SC, but from it's description, it seems much like the MT-32, when you switch it off, all the setting's are lost, if this is the case, then you can only recall changes by recording/editing them in a DAW, via midi (or programmer). If it supported SMF saving you would probably be able to save changes this way, but I believe that it just plays back, no recording?

  • @Crabman, no it doesn't save if you completely force stop the app, reboot, etc. This app has some potential but definitely needs some work to be very usable. I hope they keep developing it.

  • This thread might be of interest to those who are interested in this sort of thing: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1893592

  • @u0421793 said:
    This thread might be of interest to those who are interested in this sort of thing: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1893592

    Thanks for that!

    Windows I guess has the same thing. It's probably exactly what this thing is.

    Roland is everywhere.

  • edited January 2015

    @SuperNiCd said:
    Crabman, no it doesn't save if you completely force stop the app, reboot, etc. This app has some potential but definitely needs some work to be very usable. I hope they keep developing it.

    aah,man.Roland...please give me SOMETHING to like about this app.I WANT to buy it.Goddammit.And not even a way to contact them.Logically i definitely should no deal with this company on iOS.i don't have a good feeling about it.But i want it so damn those feelings :)

    Obviously different teams developed Z3Ta and SC but i saw a cakewalk guy responding here.Maybe i'll shoot him a mail.I can imagine he knows a Roland mail at least,maybe he can forward the requests.

  • Cakewalk is owned by Gibson now.

  • @telecharge said:
    Cakewalk is owned by Gibson now.

    Oh.Ok.Thanks for the info

  • @Crabman said:
    Obviously different teams developed Z3Ta and SC but i saw a cakewalk guy responding here.Maybe i'll shoot him a mail.I can imagine he knows a Roland mail at least,maybe he can forward the requests.

    You can try reaching out to Roland using social media:
    http://www.roland.com/social_media/

  • @SuperNiCd said:

    thanks,yes i saw that but i checked the facebook link and they don't allow to post on their wall.I doubt they read private messages...i did not check the other stuff,i don't really use twitter.

  • I tweeted Roland as soon as this app was launched. No reply but let's hope they add AB/IAA.

  • Hi can anyone confirm that the sound canvas app wont work with my ipad 4th generation. Thanks.

  • edited January 2015

    The thing is about these GM/XG/GS synths is that they were what was called S+S synths. In other words, Sample+Synthesis.

    Psychoacoustically, it was discovered by scientists (not hairdressers) that human perception of differentiation of sound is quite acute when we hear a real sound versus a synthesised simulation — but only in the attack portion. The remainder, the sustained portion, we really find it hard to tell the difference, as long as it’s a reasonably plausible attempt at simulation. Sample+Synthesis therefore is a pretty good cheat, in that it welds together a real sample attack with a fake synthesised sustain/release. Everyone fell for it.

    Consequently, the mid 90s begat a sea of 2x16character ‘paint the hallway through the letterbox’ 1U boxes that contained tiny amounts of sample memory (which, of course, cost an absurd amount in those days), filled with only the tiny slivers of attack portions of sounds (and some even re--used among a few similar related sounds). The remainder of the sounds were digitally synthesised in as bland and featureless a manner as possible, but nobody could tell. Finally, in-built digital effects such as reverberation and delay/chorusing helped add a gloss and hide the roughness, and were therefore considered part of each sounds patch.

    Thank goodness we don’t have to return to those horrid days again. Oh wait.

  • How does it respond to velocity by the way?Only volume?

  • Good history, @u0421793. On a more this-is-a-good-thing, not-something-to-lament note, what you described is good way to approach drum layering. Electronic/analog drums can provide strong body, long-decaying sub, etc., while drum samples give attack and that mid-ish knock.

    Speaking of which, do we have a drum app out there with capable drum synthesis fully integrated with drum samples? Do we need a Big Kick (PluginBoutique) app? Maybe if NI developed iMaschine in major way we could get its big brother's drum synthesis incorporated.

  • edited February 2015

    Well,rarely used Program changes and i never tried it in cubasis.Can somebody tell me how to set a program change there?

    edit:i know it's not a cubasis thread but i would need it only for the sound Canvas ;)

  • @Crabman, In piano roll editor, on the midi track, at the bottom left, velocity is selected, select velocity and you should be able to select PC, bank change and all the CC's. Sysex, I don't know, that needs a midi event editor.

  • @knewspeak said:
    Crabman, In piano roll editor, on the midi track, at the bottom left, velocity is selected, select velocity and you should be able to select PC, bank change and all the CC's. Sysex, I don't know, that needs a midi event editor.

    yes,i saw that but when i select pc the field right from the Controller list (where you usually edit velocity etc) is just empty and i can't do anything in it.Thanks for your answer!

  • @Crabman said:
    yes,i saw that but when i select pc the field right from the Controller list (where you usually edit velocity etc) is just empty and i can't do anything in it.Thanks for your answer!

    Sorry, forgot to mention, you need to select the draw tool, just like you can draw in a note, you can also draw in events, down at the bottom.

  • aaah,i see :) thanks again

  • This is a MIDI player app that lets you easily modify PCs, chorus, reverb, and panning. My oh can save the files too, although only the PCs are saved. Still, it's pretty useful to use alongside SC.

    MIDI file player by Walter Schurter
    https://appsto.re/us/LR0oN.i

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