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I've just got the vocals (gulp, but as Mr Goodyear told me..."Spit it out.") to go before I think I've finished the recording phase of my first SOTMC entry. As a virgin to all this & Cubasis, do I then:
Mixdown (not sure about "Normalise." Do I have/need to? Sounds a good idea, especially for beginners like moi).
Send to Mastering. (Whole song or each track? Is there any need to)?
Send back to Cubasis.
Send to Soundcloud.
I haven't got a Soundcloud account yet so when I create one tomorrow, Is there anything I should be checking/unchecking?
If I don't get straight back its cos I'm off, still searching to find that car to sing/talk/scream in as discussed with @LostBoy & @JohnnyGoddyear in last months SOTMC.
Just going to post this but then @LostBoy reposted his gorgeous "Moraira Sky" & I had to listen to his song again & again &............... Infectious summer high. It's very well done & It makes you feel good. And sang into the internal mic! Great stuff.
Nice song and very nicely recorded and mixed. Your vocals and harmonies are great too although the song doesn't have a hook which might make it more memorable.
Not Godly here either (but very clean). I've always loved that verse from The Eck.
Thanks for listening & commenting @Martygras I appreciate it:)
Very nice ... Reminds me of my fave go to quote when things don't pan out, from Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven:
"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."
Music, like life, is rarely a just and fair meritocracy.
All good, I had to sit out July myself, so nice to hear you back at it. No Rick Astley here, although I'm reminded of America's "Ventura Highway." Smooth and easy, great overall production. Nice work!
To follow up on @martygras comment, I think that little keyboard riff could be introduced more prominently and/or expanded/repeated more to create a catchy hook. Might also help the song breathe by creating more space between vocals, which is really the closest I can come to genuine criticism - whether true or not, it feels like you're singing nonstop. Fortunately, you've got really good vocal sensibilities, from delivery through final mix. You still singing in your car?
The bongo break in the second verse was, for me, more disruptive than effective, but then again, I would have mixed the drums about twice as loud with a stronger snare, and then it would cease to be so smooth and easy. So I think your production choices were pretty solid and the iOS world is your oyster
@eustressor I have made a note in your file.
Javol, Herr Leutnant Gutenjahr!
@LostBoy85: nice catchy tune, the voice someplaces could use a little cleaning, it sounds muffled sometimes, but that's really highend-counting-peas. Very nice harmonies, and good production. Abrupt end, but thank you! for this pop-post, me likey!
Of course anyone who is both a fan of Orwell and the English language is going to be utterly familiar with that verse.
@richardyot,
I should have seen that your discussion was intended to be about songwriting, rather than composition in general. So my comments were a tad askew - but still relevant to the latter.
As regards self-indulgence, it could be argued that all artistic endeavour is self indulgent. So I'm fine with that.
That's fine, all discussion is welcome, and all points of view are interesting.
@eustressor & @animal thanks so much for your comments.
Hmm..I've heard the idea of letting a song breathe a few times on here and I must admit it's not something I've ever considered before,i do understand it though so I guess I can learn to 'shut up' a bit!:D hahaa! The smooth & easy vibe is definitely what I was trying to channel so that's a 'smiley badge' for me
Weird that was only half of my post...
Anyhoo,@animal how would u clean up the vocal? Is it just an EQ thing or a sing again job? I do use eq (mainly subtractive) but maybe I could have boosted the top end a smidge more.
Thanks again for commenting:)
@LostBoy85 one way of letting a song breathe is to have short instrumental breaks, a simple piano melody before a verse for example.
Another great technique is to change the dynamics, for example after the chorus the next two bars of music could just be the drums and the bass (Pixies and Nirvana did this a lot, but you can do it in any genre of music).
All these touches add a lot of life and interest to a song.
@LostBoy - i've had a listen and I generally like it - although I would totally agree with the comments about adding more space between the vocals.
I would also add that of all your submissions this one perhaps a little less catchiness and/or character to it, for some reason. Maybe that's because it's deliberately mellow and laid back, or possibly because it has a less obvious hook part, musically...
The words are generally good, and interesting - although as we've said, there are perhaps too many of them
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Hope that's helpful. Keep at it.
Technically it sounded pretty good to me. I didn't notice anything "unclean" about the vocals personally.
@LostBoy85: I feel like it (the voice) could use a bit of a push in the high frequencies, to make them brighter, and then a little compression to tighten them, but again, I seem to be the only one having that impression, so maybe they're just fine..., I also like the kind of "drive" your song has, and wouldn't see the need for more space in it (or: room to breathe), but that's just me. The fade out needs to be longer, though, to let it slowly drift away...away...away... . Good work as it is, though.
Great advice Richard thanks il try that more in the future,I can see that u did that on your last track by leaving some extended space between the verse and chorus.
Hey @Matt_Fletcher_2000,thanks for listening man I figured this one was quite far from being your bag of biscuits so I appreciate your thoughts.
@animal thanks again,I guess it's funny how we all have different thoughts about the same song.I sometimes wonder what would we would say if we went back in time and got to critique a classic b4 it was a classic...say MJ's Bad or Queens Bohemian Rhapsody.I know I'd def tell MJ to annunciation a bit better as I struggle to figure out what he's saying sometimes and Queen well I'd probably say that's awesome but..what the fuck??:D
I'd LOVE to see this forum react to 'Rhapsody' before it came out...
'TOO LONG!'
'TOO PONCEY!'
'OPERA?'
Or maybe just a whole lot of WTF-silence and relative awe....
As I'm on a techno tip at the moment I start with the kick and then get a groove going with a sub drone. There are some rules to adhere to, otherwise it stops sounding like techno and starts sounding like something else (1 bar phases, a minor, groove is king, 127 or 128 bmp. minimal hooks etc, attention to atmosphere etc ). I then build it up from there. Breakdowns are my weakness but I'm working on it....
Ha. Funny.
Very interesting. So techno should be in A Minor? Seriously? That's pretty specific.
What do you mean by "1 bar phases"?
I really like your track, @LostBoy85. I think the chorus has a good hook, personally. The "ahhhh, ahhhhhhh" harmonies really cement the deal, IMO!
From a technical standpoint, your hard work noticeable: it's a nice mix. Some small technical and arrangement improvements might be:
-- Run a de-esser (or more de-esser) on your chorus vocals. They're nice and clean, but there's too much sibilance.
-- Use a little less hard panning of your sounds.
-- Instead of multiple, mono, piano parts with different panning, create a single piano part with a nice stereo piano patch (where the panning is "natural," according to pitch, left-to-right).
Oooh thanks @thus that's some great feedback! Yes I did use fab filters De-esser I could have maybe ridden that a bit harder. I feel like I could have transitioned better for the key change as well,but anyhoo I'm just pleased I got it done and so now onto the next one:)
Thanks mate!
Rhapsody? What rhapsody?
Lol - obviously rules are made to be broken but a minor is the sound of techno - it makes it easy for DJs to mix if it's all in the same key and at the same tempo (ok you can time stretch). Must techno is based around 1 bar loops, sometimes 2 bar loops. This is purely my opinion but it's based upon research into the genre. Once you know the rules you can bend them a bit ...
Hmm quote didn't quite work there !
Gotta admit @JohnnyGoodyear that 'it's a kind of magic' taught me (then about 12) that stereo is not just double mono.
As for Bohemian Rhapsody I prefer Muppet's version.
If you and I ever start a sleepy girl cover band (which I have reason to doubt) I insist we call it Double Mono.