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Soundcloud is working OK for me. I've updated the second post with the current entries. It's a slow month so far, and as usual JohnnyGoodyear and MattFlecher2000 are late to the party.
My offering:
Not fully completed but not far off.
Lute intro played with BS16i and jamstik.
Drum loops HD
Jordantron.
Bias effects and my telecaster.
Cubasis.
Animoog
Iprophet
Enjoy.
Before I saw this note I was feeling under pressure, conflicted, confused, indecisive, unworthy, untalented, heartsick, clumsy, ineffective, foolish, and emptier than an invisible barrel full of empty.
Now I'm not quite so upbeat.
I'm waiting for a downbeat song to be posted in that case
@richardyot you know me, where there's a will there's a wallow...
@dblonde Got me started out lute-wise all Pieter de Hooch and then, wham, off into Peter Gabriel (well, Genesis-period Gabriel anyway). It sounds like an accomplished variant of that sound, although I will leave it to my betters to comment further as I think there are many others on this board who are far more familiar with this genre. I find it interesting (to me) how derivative any musical style which one doesn't personally listen to immediately sounds. I fully accept my own ignorance here...
@Igneous1: nice bass/rhythm sounds and I like the flutey sounds as well but didn't really develop or go anywhere for me. Sorry
Ha ha... I'm trying!!!
Been on holiday and had a bit of a break from anything apart from the occasional noodle with Oscilab or Patterning.
However, you may be interested to hear that what I want to get finished for this month is a collaboration between Johnny and myself. His words, my music.
I need to find sufficient time to get it finished though
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Look forward to it. I finished my track while I was on holiday - had to negotiate an hour to myself every day.
Thanks johnygoodyear! Quite agree. You know your artists too, more palatable than Vermeer in my humble opinion. Took that photo when at the National gallery in London this summer.
Peter Gabriel is ok in my book. The tune is what it is, I don't try and work within a genre just go with the flow.
Nice work and very focused of you.
I spent about an hour a day on my ipad - maybe more - but mostly flitting around between synth drum apps and auditioning Synthmaster patches for this competition they are running. Not very focused or productive towards SOTM.
But there is time... I just need to roll up my sleeves.
Jarmin:
Cool track. Quirky but in a good way. Imaginative instrumentation and structure and good energy. Well mixed too.
Probably my fave so far.
Marcel:
Sorry I can't get this to play on my system. I shall try again.
LostBoy85:
Not really my thing, but very well done. Very strong vocal and well structured, with very good instrumentation.
Cool soundcloud pic too
badmaxton:
Pretty mad, but engaging nonetheless. Bass frenzy and animal on drums ! Perhaps more variety / different
instrumentation (?)
AlterEgoUK:
Having listened to this a few times now and being increasingly familiar with Gadget and how things can be quickly
put together, this comes over more as a backing track for some solos rather than a composition. Saying that, the
key change works well, but the guitar solo could be a lot more engaging. Good outro section and final chord,
though.
richardyot:
A pretty successful song in itself, but there are issues with the vocals (sibilance and pitching) and the
instrumentation in the overall mix / production being a bit subdued in general.
dblonde:
Lovely intro. Good progressive arrangement that perhaps could buid more to the solo section. Odd snare change at 1:14 (?) Some distortion toward the end and the segue back to the lute section a bit less than seamless, in my view.
I should say this is a bit of a new thing for me to critique other people's work in this kind of forum, with
artists of considerably differing levels of experience and ability having their say. I try to be positive, but I'm
pretty fussy and I think it's worth pointing things positively and negatively (constructively) rather than not.
Of course all opinions are just that, but when constructive and well meant, they can spur the original artist to have a re-think about their contributions or they can choose to decide that they will leave their track as they intended - which is perfectly valid, too.
I think an honest critique, good or bad, is the only worthwhile one. It takes a little courage to give negative feedback, but once we step back from our ego/hurt feelings etc it's actually really valuable to hear criticism, otherwise this whole exercise would just be a big back-slapping fest with no worthwhile input.
@Richardyot ok,so I finally got a few listens in.So things I liked were the bass line,especially in the chorus very cool.I liked how u used it to drive the song.I thought the music was very good (maybe a touch similar to last months,but that could just be YOUR sound.Nothing wrong with that just an observation:) I really liked your build up to the final chorus.(all except the rim hit which to me sounded a little out of place but otherwise excellent!) I found the lyrics good & interesting & to be fair I could make most of them out this time (please tell me what the third line of chorus is?? It's driving me nuts! The fuel to the fire??)
So things that could be improved imho...
The chorus vocal seems noticeably louder than the verse which I found a little distracting.
Sibilance-now this is something I struggle with as well,& my August song suffers with it still...but I just feel that there has to be some way for you to tackle it better as it does distract from the melody so much.Now I listened to 'Warm Summer nights' again and there was barely any on that.So what are you doing differently on these last two tracks? I have my suspicions that it's 'stacking' compressors on your vocal.This can be a good technique but if the Esses are strong on the first it just gets worse.I know cos I normally do that but had to take the second off in 'Phantom Love' for this very reason.Now do u double your vocal at all? If so may I suggest u try taking the Esses out of the second one completely? Should help. If I was mixing your track I would take your opening 'Lights' & fade that ess,cos right now it sounds like 'Lightsssss'.(forgive me if u already did this mate) I also sometimes chop the ess up and simply bring the volume down until just before it sounds weird.Now obviously a de-Esser is useful but sometimes for me it doesn't quite do enough(user error I'm sure) and I have to get under the hood myself and do these things I've mentioned but best thing is to try and sing with less ess:) A good trick is to wave your hand in front of your mouth on the esses (really helps..I did that on Moraira sky and Supanova and completely forgot to on phantom love! Damn it!) often for no reason at all one take will have more sibilance than others so I just redo it til it's manageable.
So there..lecture over man.I hope your not offended by my waffling on.I know you're all about improving and this is one area I know a little about.
You know I'm a fan of your stuff and I hope this helps:D
@dblonde Nice! I've not really heard anything like that on here before.Man,I forgot all about jordantron.very cool app! I must admit I also found the end fade into the lute a bit abrupt but otherwise I thought it was cool!:)
@AlterEgo_UK, @BvsMV, @Igneous1: Thanks for the feedback!
Thanks for the feedback @LostBoy85 and @Igneous1 and of course @JohnnyGoodyear.
My song is still in a sketch state and your comments will help me complete it.
Thank you.
Certainly not - that's great detailed and very helpful feedback - thanks!
It is a bit weird that until last month sibilance was never a problem for me. I'm also wondering what it is I'm doing differently. One thing in the last two songs is that for the verses I am singing in a lower register and much closer to the microphone to use the proximity effect, that might be one reason - the proximity to the mic might be emphasizing the energy in those S sounds. I am also stacking compressors, but I also did that on Warm Summer Nights, but I think I am compressing much more aggressively which is probably compounding the problem. I haven't done any de-essing on this track so at least there is scope to improve things. I didn't realise how distracting the sibilance was to be honest, so it's great that people are pointing it out.
The third line in the chorus is "The foil into the fire" which is a reference to smoking cocaine. To be honest the lyrics in this one are pretty rubbish, I just cobbled together whatever rhymes I could without thinking too hard about what it all means - very lazy, I worked much harder on the words in the previous months, and I'm actually a little embarrassed about the lyrics this time around.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback, I will try and fix the sibilance and the levels going into the chorus. As Marcel says, recording and mixing vocals is a lot of work, I could easily knock out an instrumental in Gadget in one day, but a song with vocals takes ages to do well. Also, while I think there are a couple of interesting ideas in this particular song, I would like to try and do better, and this one is probably just a learning exercise on the way.
@dblonde: +1 for lute and jamstick!
A nice slice of Prog (nice to hear more Prog in SOTMC) with some great guitar work. Maybe the drums are a little too loud in the mix though (and possibly a bit too repetitive?)
@richardyot: I like it! (nothing else to say that hasn't been said really!)
I could easily knock out an instrumental in Gadget in one day, but a song with vocals takes ages to do well.
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Why not give it a try Richard, you might find it a useful exercise ? (of course, it doesn't have to be in Gadget)
Actually I will be creating some soundtracks in Gadget for some animations I'm working on at the moment for a client, so I will need to create a few instrumentals in September/October. That was in fact the reason I bought Gadget in the first place, I never expected it to replace my guitar for writing songs, which it seems to have now
This is the first of these soundtracks, and is the result of my first half hour of playing with Gadget after I bought it a couple of months ago, I was amazed by the speed of the workflow, it really opened my eyes to its potential:
Just to add that I'm not being dismissive of instrumentals when I say that vocals take longer - it's just a statement of fact
When you add vocals you have to come up with vocal melodies, and write lyrics (which normally takes me ages and is one of the most difficult and frustrating parts of the process). You have to practice the vocals for a few days before recording them, and then you have to record a few takes to get something usable. Mixing vocals is also much more difficult because people will naturally focus on them so the slightest mistake will stand out. The whole process is very slow and difficult, especially if you are not a very good singer or mix engineer.
No it isn't a statement of fact, it's just your experience of things. Seasoned vocalists / session singers / voice over artists may well take a different view. I find it strange that you are so sure about your opinions at this stage in your 'musical life'.
That track sounds like it was done very quickly, would be interested to hear it finished.
I'm perfectly happy for my opinions to be challenged, but every book I've read on mixing has stated that vocals take longer to mix than other instruments, and also I've read a few books on songwriting (and listened to podcasts etc) and it's not unusual to hear professionals saying that writing melodies and lyrics is time-consuming.
Let's not turn this into a pissing contest though, I'm perfectly upfront about the fact that I'm a noob and still learning (and with a lot to learn too). I'm not sure how much experience you have with singing and recording vocals, but surely if you've ever done it you would recognise that it's not all that easy. I happen to find it the hardest part, hopefully in time it will get easier.
Richard,
I'm trying to be positive here. I'm just questioning the 'absolute' nature of some of the things you've said.
I can't sing to save my life, but I've got a fair bit of experience of recording voice-overs for a friends hypnotherapy business in the past and all the editing that was required to get a decent result.
However, you might be interested to know that I'm working on a vocal ambient album as we speak. Here's a snip:
If anything I've said has come across as absolute then I sincerely apologise, and if I've expressed opinions in a way that rubs people up the wrong way it's not intentional, I probably over-share my personal experiences and struggles but it's not meant in an arrogant or all-knowing way.
WE SINGING MEN STRUGGLE AND IT'S VERY HARDEST DIFFICULT FOR US.
I smiled when I read the killer 'Gadget instrumental in a day' bit
. I thought it might raise a few eyebrows 
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I know what you're saying - but I guess it just depends on what you're producing and how you work.
I am sure it's extremely time consuming to write, perform, record and then get vocals to sound good (I have little experience but I believe you). But I reckon it's possible to also spend bloody ages perfecting a drum track (from designing all the synth drum sounds, to programming and perfecting all the hits across a whole track, to balancing and EQing and compressing etc to realising it doesn't sound quite right and having to redo some of it). I know a lot of producers spend silly amounts of time on this - especially where the type of music demands 'perfection' in this area. Likewise creating that killer bassline in bass-led music. Or all those nasty dubstep synth leads if that's your bag. And then all that slicing, sampling and intricate dicing if you're doing that MPC style thing - I bet that takes a good while too.
That said, i suspect there are dimishing returns on the "time spent / difference it makes" graph sometimes. So I try to work steadily through stuff and not get too tied up. There's no shame in getting fast at stuff.
Personally I've created a few instrumental tracks in a day, but a long time ago and they weren't particularly good. Unless you count a few jams - but they sound like jams.
For me, finished tracks take more like a week minimum - usually two - although obviously not full time every day. I think it would be possible to produce something decent enough in a full on 9-5 day - but it would be very 'unconsidered' and therefore probably a bit crap. I find I have to work on a track for a few hours a day, then sleep on it - then assess what was good / bad - rinse and repeat.
Another interesting topic though.
Fair comment. The revolving struggle of How much better could it be, what difference does it make? is a grand part of all of what we do I suppose....I can't imagine spending more than a minute or two on the velocity of hihats (if at all), but will waste a morning, swapping a perhaps for a maybe and then back again and then again, quietly certain that I've made the wrong choice...
Gadget does actually make the process easier, but I don't see that as a bad thing though. You can definitely work very quickly in Gadget, because it's well designed.
I've tried several different ways of working on the iPad. When I first got into it almost exactly two years ago I used Genome to sequence Animoog and Sunrizer into Auria, that was awful. Then I bought Cubasis and that was much better but still clunky in many ways, definitely not as smooth as Gadget.
Then I had a long phase of recording live guitar into Auria, which is obviously very different to using MIDI sequencing, and that is undeniably difficult since the performance has to be good - and I have several recordings with poor timing to prove it! Obviously a better musician would struggle less than I did, but having to record a decent performance is definitely an extra hurdle when playing a live instrument.
So Gadget is a great way to work, since it has an excellent piano roll editor: I always record a performance (it's the only way I can come up with melodies, I don't like programming them), but the timing is easily fixed. It makes life easier, that's a good thing because personally I'm not really interested in technique, I'm interested in ideas and song writing - being a great musician is not my priority, I want to write songs. I enjoy playing the guitar but I'm not that great at it, which is fine because I only need to play well enough to be able to come up with ideas.
But obviously this my opinion and my experience, and is in no way meant to reflect negatively on how other people work and approach music
Drum programming is also difficult and time-consuming though, not quite as hard as vocals for me but not that far behind. I think it's mostly because I know nothing about drumming though, for a real drummer it's likely to be much easier and quicker.