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Fugue Machine Rubato by Alexandernaut (Released)

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  • @oldsynthguy said:

    @reasOne said:

    @SteveElbows said:

    @reasOne said:
    I am willing to buy this with the intention of using it with Ableton (when it’s supported as a plug in) and the occasional iOS jam when I’m out traveling or To send MIDI to hardware or plugins.

    Some documentation from Ableton says that AU plugin MIDI out support isnt available in Live, and I think someone referred to this limitation on this thread. So the developer adding AUv3 support wont be enough on its own to support this scenario.

    I do not have extensive personal experience of this limitation, although I think I've probably run into it in the past, so I cannot totally guarantee that I've got my facts right about this. In any case I'm getting used to using the standalone version when using it with Ableton.

    Yeah it’ll need to be supported as a plugin before i go for it. I’ve bought too many apps with hopes and promises of a bright future, but the days never came lol. You really shouldn’t buy an app that isn’t already what you want it to be!

    If you open Settings > MIDI output > MIDI out 1 (etc.) > FMRubato MIDI Out in the app, and pick a channel, this can then be selected in Live under the 'MIDI From' channel input.

    It works a bit like an IAA on iOS, where it's open in a separate window, rather than hosted in a DAW.

    Quite nice it includes this feature actually even though it's a bit clunky, most of my AU MIDI apps don't offer this option for Live.

    That’s good to know. I have 3 monitors working great with my macbook, if i decided to use this way the real estate isn’t a problem at least! Thanks

  • Love all the opinions on the doomed business model here. Its #3 in music apps in the US store today. I think they’ll do fine.

    I bought it without hesitation. I just love fugue machine classic more than any other sequencer.

    Now, however, I’m having a problem, as it just sending on one channel in aum, seemingly.

    Anybody else get this error?

  • The old school iOS folks probably don't qualify for pearl-clutching (too expensive!). Let's call it "plastic bead clutching". Mr Rubato is a unique and compelling app in a marketplace that sees a lot of similar solutions.

  • I know this thread has departed from the app itself and is now on the topic of what happens when an app is this price, but… Another aspect of setting this kind of price is that sales won’t all be bunched up in the first day or first weekend due to drunk buying, they’re more likely to be long-tailed over the big duration and amount to serious sales from people who really use the product

  • edited May 2025

    Hrmmm...the Bundle is $60.00.

    Not sure if that's the correct price, since that price doesn't seem like a Discount for users coming from Fugue Machine Classic.

    Fugue Machine Classic is $19.99, so I'm not sure if this Bundle Price is correct....hrmm...

    I pinged the developer on IG to ask about the pricing of the Bundle.

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  • edited May 2025

    @Gavinski said:
    The attitude of buy everything and learn almost none of them is rife in this niche.

    For my part in this, it's the lack of demo feasibility and refund reliability. I buy things (a) to figure out if it's something I'll use and (b) because the current general pricing model allows impulse buying. Quite a bit doesn't make the cut. If apps become expensive that stops. Same with any company that has a no demo, no refund policy.

    If there was a way to demo, yes sure, raise prices and probably lose sales. Without a demo, keep prices so low that a purchase doesn't leave a bad taste that impacts the current purchase practice, i.e. buy a lot, learn a little.

    Example, I was able to testflight Rubato. At the current price, with a demo, it's a no way ever purchase. If it was released at $15 I would have bought it. So, from just me, the only way there is income is the low price model.

  • @suboptimal said:
    I've spent much more than $60 on obscure effect tools that I never launch (FabFilter).

    Yes, but that's on you right? You had the opportunity to thoroughly investigate the product via the demo yes? And then bought it.

    Rubato is different in that without the Testflight it would have relied on an impulse buy or youtube. Without Testflight, much greater risk when buying something you have not used.

    My thoughts are: High price = Demo needed. Current pricing model = I'm happy to take a small hit every now and the to wind up with a few gems. And along the way I've supported developers that I would not have, if not for lower prices.

  • edited May 2025

    @SteveElbows said:

    @reasOne said:
    I am willing to buy this with the intention of using it with Ableton (when it’s supported as a plug in) and the occasional iOS jam when I’m out traveling or To send MIDI to hardware or plugins.

    Some documentation from Ableton says that AU plugin MIDI out support isnt available in Live, and I think someone referred to this limitation on this thread. So the developer adding AUv3 support wont be enough on its own to support this scenario.

    I do not have extensive personal experience of this limitation, although I think I've probably run into it in the past, so I cannot totally guarantee that I've got my facts right about this. In any case I'm getting used to using the standalone version when using it with Ableton.

    Hmmm… but I use the Scaler AU in Ableton, no problem 🧐 I’m probably mixing up AU with AUV3 lol

  • @echoopera said:
    Hrmmm...the Bundle is $60.00.

    Not sure if that's the correct price, since that price doesn't seem like a Discount for users coming from Fugue Machine Classic.

    Fugue Machine Classic is $19.99, so I'm not sure if this Bundle Price is correct....hrmm...

    I pinged the developer on IG to ask about the pricing of the Bundle.

    I haven’t seen it yet hit the store. And I seem to recall you and I are relatively “local”

  • I was firmly in the "you've got to be ...'ing kidding me" camp, but I went ahead and installed the testflight - a bloody brilliant idea, by the way - and now I'm really seriously considering it. This is the most involved generative composition tool I've ever seen in this environment.

  • edited May 2025

    I’m just gonna get FL Studio , a laptop , use my iPad as a remote and for fl studio mobile and get fl cloud for $12 a month… and never pay for an upgrade again. . BOO-YAHHH!!!

  • @echoopera said:
    Fugue this thread.

    I'm out...

    And happily sending Midi to my synths :smile:

    That’s the spirit!

  • edited May 2025

    @mjcouche said:

    @echoopera said:
    Hrmmm...the Bundle is $60.00.

    Not sure if that's the correct price, since that price doesn't seem like a Discount for users coming from Fugue Machine Classic.

    Fugue Machine Classic is $19.99, so I'm not sure if this Bundle Price is correct....hrmm...

    I pinged the developer on IG to ask about the pricing of the Bundle.

    I haven’t seen it yet hit the store. And I seem to recall you and I are relatively “local”

    He replied on IG that there was an error on the page. The developer is fixing it.

  • @echoopera said:

    @mjcouche said:

    @echoopera said:
    Hrmmm...the Bundle is $60.00.

    Not sure if that's the correct price, since that price doesn't seem like a Discount for users coming from Fugue Machine Classic.

    Fugue Machine Classic is $19.99, so I'm not sure if this Bundle Price is correct....hrmm...

    I pinged the developer on IG to ask about the pricing of the Bundle.

    I haven’t seen it yet hit the store. And I seem to recall you and I are relatively “local”

    He replied on IG that there was an error on the page. The developer is fixing it.

    Current price on my end is…

  • lol. Here we go again…

  • @reasOne said:

    @echoopera said:

    @mjcouche said:

    @echoopera said:
    Hrmmm...the Bundle is $60.00.

    Not sure if that's the correct price, since that price doesn't seem like a Discount for users coming from Fugue Machine Classic.

    Fugue Machine Classic is $19.99, so I'm not sure if this Bundle Price is correct....hrmm...

    I pinged the developer on IG to ask about the pricing of the Bundle.

    I haven’t seen it yet hit the store. And I seem to recall you and I are relatively “local”

    He replied on IG that there was an error on the page. The developer is fixing it.

    Current price on my end is…

    Same here. Which is interesting since I purchased Classic at 9.99. But I’ll take it. I’m going for it.

  • At that price it’s a hard pass.

  • I do really appreciate the dev providing a demo. I wish more apps had demos. I'm somewhat purchase-averse and I'd probably buy more apps if I could try them. Not this one, though. It's very cool and clearly well designed and powerful, but I think I'd rather stick to my drambo creations. But still, props for the demo.

  • This thing is amazing, a technical tour de force.

    A shame about the rancor and outrage by a few who apparently think another person’s creation should be made available to them at the price they deem appropriate — and that asking a higher price is a sign of character deficiency on the part of the Dev.

    Get the GAS under control, and you will be much happier in the long run then you will be if this is just reduced by 20 or $30, even if it’s given away for free. Prices don’t make you miserable. Prices don’t kill people, GAS does, imo

  • The discussion in this thread is great, even though (or maybe exactly because) 90% of the post have nothing to do with the app itself.

    @echoopera said:
    The price seems fair to me considering it’s available and supported on 3 Platforms.

    Yeah it's a perfectly fine price for a desktop plugin. However, it would've probably been much better for everyone if there were three different apps and a bundle. I've sold my Macs, and even if I hadn't, the Mac version is AUv3 only, so I still wouldn't be able to use it.

    Of course, it's up to the developer to decide on the pricing model, and I respect their decision. I just really dislike the idea of sharing one app purchase for multiple platforms, and I wish Apple made it easier for developers to offer separate versions and a bundle.

  • @alexwasashrimp said:
    The discussion in this thread is great

    Having read the remaining pages, I retract my statement. It's absolutely not okay to blame and attack the developer, whatever price they decide to set, it's up to them.

  • @sveinbjorn said:

    >

    Now, however, I’m having a problem, as it just sending on one channel in aum, seemingly.

    Anybody else get this error?

    There’s a few settings that I’m still trying to figure out myself, but I did discover in addition to the midi output settings in the obvious area, there’s also a “per play head” setting here that makes a difference. (If you haven’t found it yet)

    Grab the circled handle and drag to the left.

    @timfromtheborder said:
    I do really appreciate the dev providing a demo. I wish more apps had demos. I'm somewhat purchase-averse and I'd probably buy more apps if I could try them. Not this one, though. It's very cool and clearly well designed and powerful, but I think I'd rather stick to my drambo creations. But still, props for the demo.

    Oh I’m sticking to my Drambo creations also, and having an optional proper multi-MIDI out creative sequencer is icing on the cake.

    Btw, it works amazingly well set up like this on the MAIN with each of the 8 MIDI outputs routed to their respective Drambo track modules.

  • @alexwasashrimp said:
    Having read the remaining pages, I retract my statement. It's absolutely not okay to blame and attack the developer, whatever price they decide to set, it's up to them.

    Developer makes a product and releases it to the public.

    Potential customers discuss if the price is too high or if the product is good value.

    Sounds fair enough to me.

    In the end, the market will decide.

  • What synths are people using this with? I plan to grab it in on Friday so I might as well set up a few patches.

  • edited May 2025

    @Simon said:

    @alexwasashrimp said:
    Having read the remaining pages, I retract my statement. It's absolutely not okay to blame and attack the developer, whatever price they decide to set, it's up to them.

    Developer makes a product and releases it to the public.

    Potential customers discuss if the price is too high or if the product is good value.

    Sounds fair enough to me.

    In the end, the market will decide.

    Exactly it’s called free speech.
    That being said after messing with I know I have be to purchase. It’s an incredibly deep app.

  • edited May 2025

    @FizzyLizzy27 said:
    What synths are people using this with? I plan to grab it in on Friday so I might as well set up a few patches.

    Best with plucky type sounds or snappy stuff with short release times like the sound used in the app itself in standalone, imo. Pity actually there is not an instrument version of the AUv3 as I'm pretty fond of that sound! The AUv3 is midi only, unless I'm missing something

  • @Gavinski said:

    @FizzyLizzy27 said:
    What synths are people using this with? I plan to grab it in on Friday so I might as well set up a few patches.

    Best with plucky type sounds or snappy stuff with short release times like the sound used in the app itself in standalone, imo. Pity actually there is not an instrument version of the AUv3 as I'm pretty fond of that sound! The AUv3 is midi only, unless I'm missing something

    Hehe, what about Elastic OSC, has a lot of plucky sounds in there ;)

  • Steep price, but great sequencer. I’m still on the fence but really enjoying the demo. It obviously works best with plucked sounds, like those from Stringlab or RingsFX.

  • @elasticdrums said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @FizzyLizzy27 said:
    What synths are people using this with? I plan to grab it in on Friday so I might as well set up a few patches.

    Best with plucky type sounds or snappy stuff with short release times like the sound used in the app itself in standalone, imo. Pity actually there is not an instrument version of the AUv3 as I'm pretty fond of that sound! The AUv3 is midi only, unless I'm missing something

    Hehe, what about Elastic OSC, has a lot of plucky sounds in there ;)

    Indeed, a good choice haha

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