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iPadOS 26 Thread

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  • If anyone is on iOS 17 or earlier and was stalling moving to 18, you might want to consider doing it immediately if you ever want to. Once 26 is out there will be no going to 18 unless your device isn't compatible with 26.

  • edited September 2025

    @wim said:
    If anyone is on iOS 17 or earlier and was stalling moving to 18, you might want to consider doing it immediately if you ever want to. Once 26 is out there will be no going to 18 unless your device isn't compatible with 26.

    Any idea if 18 has a negative effect on older device performance?

    My Air 4 is still on 16 - something. I’ve checked online and responses seem to be mixed - some say 18’s fine, others saying the update has ruined their device.

    I updated my M2 this morning (thanks for the warning @Samu), but still on the fence with the Air 4.

  • I recommend not putting it on a 2018 iPad Pro. I’ve been running the beta all summer on mine and it’s slow, glitchy, and just feels bad. I restored to iOS 18 and it’s like having a new device.

    Plus there aren’t that many new things to make it worth the change. Windows and menus are nice but they still feel bolted on.

  • edited September 2025

    i have latest beta 26 on my iPhone 16 and at least NS2 works smoothly

    But i have to admit inabsolutely hate how iOS26 looks, it’s UI nightmare if you ask me .. that liquid glass is just bad .. it was dumb idea to experiment with beta and inregret it.. going to preserve 18 on my iPad ..

    Anyway except of absolutely ugly mess UI, rest works like a breeze …

  • @oldsynthguy said:

    @wim said:
    If anyone is on iOS 17 or earlier and was stalling moving to 18, you might want to consider doing it immediately if you ever want to. Once 26 is out there will be no going to 18 unless your device isn't compatible with 26.

    Any idea if 18 has a negative effect on older device performance?

    My Air 4 is still on 16 - something. I’ve checked online and responses seem to be mixed - some say 18’s fine, others saying the update has ruined their device.

    I updated my M2 this morning (thanks for the warning @Samu), but still on the fence with the Air 4.

    I haven't noticed any performance degradation between 16 and 18, however there's one extremely annoying thing that I've started seeing recently.

    Buffer size gets set to weird values (like 160, 131, and other weird numbers) randomly and often. Some hosts can usually reset the buffer size to normal values, others can't. Loopy Pro can't change it, so I have to exit all apps, change and change it in AUM.

    There was talk that turning Siri off (or on then back off if that doesn't work) would prevent this. That is no longer the case. I have done every. last. thing. recommended anywhere. In a few instances, even AUM couldn't change it. In that case, a forced restart finally enabled it to be changed by AUM.

    The weird buffer issue doesn't seem to affect playback, though Drambo FX was playing a sort of metronome click for awhile there.

    As for performance degradation other than that ... I say I don't notice any, but maybe it's like the old boiling a frog analogy. Maybe I just haven't particularly noticed because there have been so many interim updates in-between.

    The thing is, if you stay on 16, you're going to increasingly be locked out of new apps and updates that require later versions. If you don't go to 18 now your only next option will be 26 if your device is compatible.

  • edited September 2025

    @wim said:

    @oldsynthguy said:

    @wim said:
    If anyone is on iOS 17 or earlier and was stalling moving to 18, you might want to consider doing it immediately if you ever want to. Once 26 is out there will be no going to 18 unless your device isn't compatible with 26.

    Any idea if 18 has a negative effect on older device performance?

    My Air 4 is still on 16 - something. I’ve checked online and responses seem to be mixed - some say 18’s fine, others saying the update has ruined their device.

    I updated my M2 this morning (thanks for the warning @Samu), but still on the fence with the Air 4.

    I haven't noticed any performance degradation between 16 and 18, however there's one extremely annoying thing that I've started seeing recently.

    Buffer size gets set to weird values (like 160, 131, and other weird numbers) randomly and often. Some hosts can usually reset the buffer size to normal values, others can't. Loopy Pro can't change it, so I have to exit all apps, change and change it in AUM.

    There was talk that turning Siri off (or on then back off if that doesn't work) would prevent this. That is no longer the case. I have done every. last. thing. recommended anywhere. In a few instances, even AUM couldn't change it. In that case, a forced restart finally enabled it to be changed by AUM.

    The weird buffer issue doesn't seem to affect playback, though Drambo FX was playing a sort of metronome click for awhile there.

    As for performance degradation other than that ... I say I don't notice any, but maybe it's like the old boiling a frog analogy. Maybe I just haven't particularly noticed because there have been so many interim updates in-between.

    The thing is, if you stay on 16, you're going to increasingly be locked out of new apps and updates that require later versions. If you don't go to 18 now your only next option will be 26 if your device is compatible.

    Thanks Wim.

    I tend to just use the Air 4 for web browsing these days, any music stuff is done on the M2, so I probably wouldn’t be too affected by audio app issues.

    I would still like to update apps - I re subscribed to Logic today on the M2, which was another reason to update that one (though recent versions of Logic don’t work on this one anyway, even with the latest v18).

    I think I’m going to skip it, and stick with v16. The battery is pretty ropey on this one anyway, so casual web browsing is probably going to be its main use until it gives up altogether.

    Still not 100% though - if it’s still available in the morning (we’re a few hours in front of the US) I might cave in!

    Update: change of heart, decided to go for it. Update available, agreed to everything, started the install, got a failure error.

    Ah well, iOS 16 it is then 😂

  • Would live to see some geekbench performance results pre IOS 26 & Post IOS 26 to see how slow it will make the M1. Yikes, i just forked out my saved cash on a used one. Hopefully it’s not going to be too slow. :#

    @mjm1138 said:
    By the way, if anyone is wondering, yes, the UI is slower on my M1 iPad than iOS 18, and it seems to be running hotter. No doubt this is somewhat attributable to the fact that it's a beta, and betas always run a bit hotter than the final release. But also, no doubt iOS 26 will challenge older SoCs. I'm kind of hoping there's a way to disable a lot of the liquid glass eye candy (there might be, I haven't looked for one yet).

  • wimwim
    edited September 2025

    @Tones4Christ said:
    Would live to see some geekbench performance results pre IOS 26 & Post IOS 26 to see how slow it will make the M1. Yikes, i just forked out my saved cash on a used one. Hopefully it’s not going to be too slow. :#

    @mjm1138 said:
    By the way, if anyone is wondering, yes, the UI is slower on my M1 iPad than iOS 18, and it seems to be running hotter. No doubt this is somewhat attributable to the fact that it's a beta, and betas always run a bit hotter than the final release. But also, no doubt iOS 26 will challenge older SoCs. I'm kind of hoping there's a way to disable a lot of the liquid glass eye candy (there might be, I haven't looked for one yet).

    That type of comparison would probably reflect very little information meaningful about the impact on music making apps. Operating system update impacts are most often not impactful on raw processing power, but they can be significant in other particulars such as browser responsiveness, general screen updates, app loading time, etc.

    It's the bugs and "improvements" you gotta watch out for. Some of those can take months to completely flush out and address when it comes to music apps.

    There's no going back, so personally I never rush in. It's been so long since any features I cared about were part of an update, that the temptation simply isn't there. Being able to "keep downloaded" on iCloud files and folders is worth it for iOS 18, though even then I waited quite awhile and even still am pissed off about this random weird buffer changes thing. Had I known about that one I would have lived with the keep downloaded feature.

  • @wim said:

    @Tones4Christ said:
    Would live to see some geekbench performance results pre IOS 26 & Post IOS 26 to see how slow it will make the M1. Yikes, i just forked out my saved cash on a used one. Hopefully it’s not going to be too slow. :#

    @mjm1138 said:
    By the way, if anyone is wondering, yes, the UI is slower on my M1 iPad than iOS 18, and it seems to be running hotter. No doubt this is somewhat attributable to the fact that it's a beta, and betas always run a bit hotter than the final release. But also, no doubt iOS 26 will challenge older SoCs. I'm kind of hoping there's a way to disable a lot of the liquid glass eye candy (there might be, I haven't looked for one yet).

    That type of comparison would probably reflect very little information meaningful about the impact on music making apps. Operating system update impacts are most often not impactful on raw processing power, but they can be significant in other particulars such as browser responsiveness, general screen updates, app loading time, etc.

    It's the bugs and "improvements" you gotta watch out for. Some of those can take months to completely flush out and address when it comes to music apps.

    There's no going back, so personally I never rush in. It's been so long since any features I cared about were part of an update, that the temptation simply isn't there. Being able to "keep downloaded" on iCloud files and folders is worth it for iOS 18, though even then I waited quite awhile and even still am pissed off about this random weird buffer changes thing. Had I known about that one I would have lived with the keep downloaded feature.

    Oh wow yeah! To me as long as my iPad will run smoothly and at full throttle than i don’t mind updating. But i always dread updating nonmatter what; and then i remember the old saying: if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. :#

  • edited September 2025

    @Tones4Christ said:

    @wim said:

    @Tones4Christ said:
    Would live to see some geekbench performance results pre IOS 26 & Post IOS 26 to see how slow it will make the M1. Yikes, i just forked out my saved cash on a used one. Hopefully it’s not going to be too slow. :#

    @mjm1138 said:
    By the way, if anyone is wondering, yes, the UI is slower on my M1 iPad than iOS 18, and it seems to be running hotter. No doubt this is somewhat attributable to the fact that it's a beta, and betas always run a bit hotter than the final release. But also, no doubt iOS 26 will challenge older SoCs. I'm kind of hoping there's a way to disable a lot of the liquid glass eye candy (there might be, I haven't looked for one yet).

    That type of comparison would probably reflect very little information meaningful about the impact on music making apps. Operating system update impacts are most often not impactful on raw processing power, but they can be significant in other particulars such as browser responsiveness, general screen updates, app loading time, etc.

    It's the bugs and "improvements" you gotta watch out for. Some of those can take months to completely flush out and address when it comes to music apps.

    There's no going back, so personally I never rush in. It's been so long since any features I cared about were part of an update, that the temptation simply isn't there. Being able to "keep downloaded" on iCloud files and folders is worth it for iOS 18, though even then I waited quite awhile and even still am pissed off about this random weird buffer changes thing. Had I known about that one I would have lived with the keep downloaded feature.

    Oh wow yeah! To me as long as my iPad will run smoothly and at full throttle than i don’t mind updating. But i always dread updating nonmatter what; and then i remember the old saying: if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. :#

    That’s the thing, aside from a dodgy battery, my Air 4 is running fine on iOS 16.

    Looks like I managed to download 18 last night, even though it wouldn’t install, and still giving me an option to install this morning.

    I don’t use the Air 4 now for anything other than casual web browsing and occasional AUM jams - no email, online shopping, no day-job stuff’, so I’m still on the fence with this one (assuming I could still fall off it). I still remember how an iOS update totally bricked my old iPad 2, so treating carefully with this one, since Apple’s focus seems very centered on the M-series now.

    There’s a list of time-zone roll-outs here, looks like I’ve got until 6pm to make my mind up: https://www.macrumors.com/2025/09/15/ios-26-release-date-time-zones/

  • @oldsynthguy said:

    @Tones4Christ said:

    @wim said:

    @Tones4Christ said:
    Would live to see some geekbench performance results pre IOS 26 & Post IOS 26 to see how slow it will make the M1. Yikes, i just forked out my saved cash on a used one. Hopefully it’s not going to be too slow. :#

    @mjm1138 said:
    By the way, if anyone is wondering, yes, the UI is slower on my M1 iPad than iOS 18, and it seems to be running hotter. No doubt this is somewhat attributable to the fact that it's a beta, and betas always run a bit hotter than the final release. But also, no doubt iOS 26 will challenge older SoCs. I'm kind of hoping there's a way to disable a lot of the liquid glass eye candy (there might be, I haven't looked for one yet).

    That type of comparison would probably reflect very little information meaningful about the impact on music making apps. Operating system update impacts are most often not impactful on raw processing power, but they can be significant in other particulars such as browser responsiveness, general screen updates, app loading time, etc.

    It's the bugs and "improvements" you gotta watch out for. Some of those can take months to completely flush out and address when it comes to music apps.

    There's no going back, so personally I never rush in. It's been so long since any features I cared about were part of an update, that the temptation simply isn't there. Being able to "keep downloaded" on iCloud files and folders is worth it for iOS 18, though even then I waited quite awhile and even still am pissed off about this random weird buffer changes thing. Had I known about that one I would have lived with the keep downloaded feature.

    Oh wow yeah! To me as long as my iPad will run smoothly and at full throttle than i don’t mind updating. But i always dread updating nonmatter what; and then i remember the old saying: if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. :#

    That’s the thing, aside from a dodgy battery, my Air 4 is running fine on iOS 16.

    Looks like I managed to download 18 last night, even though it wouldn’t install, and still giving me an option to install this morning.

    I don’t use the Air 4 now for anything other than casual web browsing and occasional AUM jams - no email, online shopping, no day-job stuff’, so I’m still on the fence with this one (assuming I could still fall off it). I still remember how an iOS update totally bricked my old iPad 2, so treating carefully with this one, since Apple’s focus seems very centered on the M-series now.

    Ha! Same. Same model.
    That's also the day I learned an iOS device backup isn't what anyone in their right mind would ever consider a full device backup. I'm still pissed after all these years. 😂

    There’s a list of time-zone roll-outs here, looks like I’ve got until 6pm to make my mind up: https://www.macrumors.com/2025/09/15/ios-26-release-date-time-zones/

    I'm not sure they put the kibosh on updating to the previous version immediately. But maybe.

  • If I've not miss-informed we'll also get iOS/iPadOS18.7 today for those not ready to jump ship to iOS/iPadOS26...
    ...I'll be installing macOS15.7 later on this evening as well since my Mac Mini isn't supported by macOS26/Tahoe.

  • @wim said:
    Ha! Same. Same model.

    I think I’d only had it a couple of years, so it put me off using the iOS platform for a while!

    @wim said:
    I'm not sure they put the kibosh on updating to the previous version immediately. But maybe.

    I think I’m going to skip it. My M2 is up to date, and that’s my current music workhorse. My iPhone 12 is still on 16, but the battery in that is knackered too, so I’ll be replacing that during the Black Friday sales.

    It’s served me well, this Air 4, as I bought it when it was released - so almost 5 years of daily use, but I think it’s time to retire the old boy. Wish I could do the same, my batteries are running low too!

  • @oldsynthguy said:
    Wish I could do the same, my batteries are running low too!

    At least your OS isn't borked. Yet.

  • @Samu said:
    If I've not miss-informed we'll also get iOS/iPadOS18.7 today for those not ready to jump ship to iOS/iPadOS26

    Ah, I wonder if that’ll fix the current issues @wim is experiencing?

    @wim said:

    @oldsynthguy said:
    Wish I could do the same, my batteries are running low too!

    At least your OS isn't borked. Yet.

    Mrs Oldsynth might say otherwise…

  • I’m gonna hold off as long as I can. On 18.6.2 I feel like everything works perfectly.

    And I’m still trying to figure out what’s new about all this “we now have “windows” on the iPad!” When I can enable Stage Manager and literally have multiple “windows” on my screen already.

    (no, I haven’t watched any videos or really read into any of this. This is just my view from my lazy position on the couch)

  • edited September 2025

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    I’m gonna hold off as long as I can. On 18.6.2 I feel like everything works perfectly.

    And I’m still trying to figure out what’s new about all this “we now have “windows” on the iPad!” When I can enable Stage Manager and literally have multiple “windows” on my screen already.

    (no, I haven’t watched any videos or really read into any of this. This is just my view from my lazy position on the couch)

    There's a lot more than that, like finally being able to set the default apps for various file-types, maybe I'll even re-install BM3 at some point (the reason I un-installed it some time ago was because it hijacked all the *.wav files, meaning if I tapped on a *.wav file in the Files app it got instantly imported into BM3).

    And well, if multiple Audio devices are connected at the same time it will be possible to independently select the input and output devices per app.

    Also 18.7 will likely drop at the same time...

  • Windows are great for working with iaa apps. Although that list is growing shorter.

  • Hey @samu you say it wont work on your mac mini, it doesn't show on mine either but the Apple site says the mini 2020 (M1 16gb ram) should work. I'm a bit puzzled why it doesn't.

  • @Pxlhg said:
    Hey @samu you say it wont work on your mac mini, it doesn't show on mine either but the Apple site says the mini 2020 (M1 16gb ram) should work. I'm a bit puzzled why it doesn't.

    I have an 'old' 2018 Intel MacMini, should work on the 2020 M1 MacMini, maybe the update was not yet on the servers when you checked? (macOS updates usually hit the Apple Servers around 20.00/8pm)

  • @Samu said:

    @Pxlhg said:
    Hey @samu you say it wont work on your mac mini, it doesn't show on mine either but the Apple site says the mini 2020 (M1 16gb ram) should work. I'm a bit puzzled why it doesn't.

    I have an 'old' 2018 Intel MacMini, should work on the 2020 M1 MacMini, maybe the update was not yet on the servers when you checked? (macOS updates usually hit the Apple Servers around 20.00/8pm)

    I'd already updated my iPads and phone but the mac only showed 15.7. and that's why I asked. It's there now so, all good. Sorry for stealing your time ☺️

  • I too am curious to hear about performance on an M1 iPad Pro.

  • @Pxlhg said:

    @Samu said:

    @Pxlhg said:
    Hey @samu you say it wont work on your mac mini, it doesn't show on mine either but the Apple site says the mini 2020 (M1 16gb ram) should work. I'm a bit puzzled why it doesn't.

    I have an 'old' 2018 Intel MacMini, should work on the 2020 M1 MacMini, maybe the update was not yet on the servers when you checked? (macOS updates usually hit the Apple Servers around 20.00/8pm)

    I'd already updated my iPads and phone but the mac only showed 15.7. and that's why I asked. It's there now so, all good. Sorry for stealing your time ☺️

    No worries, when you get the update you explicitly have to select macOS26 otherwise you'll get the 15.7 update :)
    (Same on the iDevices, 18.7 is the default update 26 has to be manually selected).

  • Anyone tried with an iPhone 12 Pro?

  • For vocalists, Voice isolation microphone is pretty effective . No headphones needed.

  • I’m not too concerned with my M2 iPad Pro - but the iPhone 12 already struggles with battery life. It looks like a lot of new features might be tied to Apple Intelligence yet the 12 pro doesn’t allow that feature (unless that changed with iOS 26).

  • @FizzyLizzy27 said:
    Anyone tried with an iPhone 12 Pro?

    Just downloaded it on my iPhone 12 pro. So far battery has been super good on 18.62 so hopefully this update doesn't break that.

  • @Tones4Christ said:

    @FizzyLizzy27 said:
    Anyone tried with an iPhone 12 Pro?

    Just downloaded it on my iPhone 12 pro. So far battery has been super good on 18.62 so hopefully this update doesn't break that.

    There's always the battery 'thing' post update while everything gets re-indexed (if one has a ton of pictures expect it to take a while) etc.
    ...and naturally the 'drain' when checking out all the new features which drains more then 'regular use'.

    So far I'm happy with the update on my iPhone 16 and M1 iPadPro and all the apps seem to behave as expected.

  • I've updated all, well not my old 5s which I use in the kitchen as a cocking timer. iPad Air 3, iPad Pro M1, iPhone SE 2020 and MacMini M1. All looks good, I like the new look.

  • edited September 2025

    IMO, the GarageBand on iOS 26 (iPhone) experience is not great. It’s difficult to get out of the app because the “swipe up” to change apps function no longer works reliably. This needs to be rethought by Apple.

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