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  • edited March 2025

    @dendy said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @jklovemusic said:

    @catherder said:
    @jklovemusic would a screen with a good night mode (reduced brightness and reduced blue light) work? An e-ink display is only as good as your room lighting or its backlight.

    Actually the equation is not only the night time. If i can redirect more than half of my passive screen time, like reading X, articales and ebooks to the e-ink device. I actually don’t have to leave iPad/Mac for muisc production.

    Also - I know their usefulness is controversial, but have you thought about blue light filtering glasses?

    night shift with additionally added "More Warm" helps significantly .. you don't need glasses then..

    this is basically my settings on ALL my iOS devices - i have it enabled basically NONSTOP, regardless if it is day or night.. works perfectly for me ..

    Thanks. I know and have been using all sort of "night mode"

    And since I now tapped into e-ink, I will try black and white mode on iPad. Not sure if that's scientifically better to human eyes

  • edited March 2025

    well black is no color - means pixel on display is just turned off - but pure white is basically mix of ALL colors - means including blue :-)) so this wont’t help much .. literally every pixel on your display consists from 3 luminiscent points - red, green and blue , and for strictly white color they all shine at maximum level :)

    E-ink worls differencly - it’s about how much display reflects light which is coming on it from enviroment.. so black are absorbs everything, white are reflects everything .

    This os very simplified description, in reality it is a bit more complicated, but this is enough to understand principle.

  • I have a roland fp30 in my bedroom. After put the kids in bed, I spent a few minutes playing meanwhile my wife reads.

  • @OnfraySin said:
    I have a roland fp30 in my bedroom. After put the kids in bed, I spent a few minutes playing meanwhile my wife reads.

    Imagining Ralph Wiggum playing piano while having a wife 😯

  • @HarlekinX said:

    @OnfraySin said:
    I have a roland fp30 in my bedroom. After put the kids in bed, I spent a few minutes playing meanwhile my wife reads.

    Imagining Ralph Wiggum playing piano while having a wife 😯

    😂

  • @Gavinski said:

    @jklovemusic said:

    @catherder said:
    @jklovemusic would a screen with a good night mode (reduced brightness and reduced blue light) work? An e-ink display is only as good as your room lighting or its backlight.

    Actually the equation is not only the night time. If i can redirect more than half of my passive screen time, like reading X, articales and ebooks to the e-ink device. I actually don’t have to leave iPad/Mac for muisc production.

    Also - I know their usefulness is controversial, but have you thought about blue light filtering glasses?

    I am getting a pair this weekend and see if that helps. After all, only my eyes can tell the difference. Thanks for reminding me this.

  • @FordTimeLord said:

    @jklovemusic said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:

    Based on what you’ve said so far though… I’d suggest the Move. Leave the hardcore arrangement to Live after you’ve fiddled with the foundations. It’s really the best device at doing what it was designed for that I’ve used. But I also trust @Tarekith and I’ve never used the OP, so maybe you’d like that?

    Thanks for the roadmap for making decision. I got your point. I already picked cheap so the rest is either good or fast. I go fast.

    To my suprise, I'm sold by my friend's idea to get an e-ink Android tablet and play with whatever available on Android including the very joyful Koala Sampler and Sunvox. And the model that can install Android apps is fairly afforable!

    Boox Go Color 7 is $249, a budget one that fixes all night time usage request.

    https://shop.boox.com/products/gocolor7

    It's funny that I started a topic of good enough Android music apps... https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/60770/android-apps-are-good-enough-for-playing-some-music-on-the-go/p1

    edit: Not sure if the Android screen is as sensitive as iPad for touch playing but Koala support QWERTY keyboard

    That sounds like it would be really frustrating in practice. I love e-ink displays for reading but for touch playing, editing samples, mixer pages etc, I suspect input lag would be an issue. Sure you could use a QWERTY keyboard but you could do that with your iPad and just not look at it while you’re playing.

    I managed to try a budget one and indeed the display latency is a thing. Knobs becoming unusable and sliders still okay. Overall Koala experience is not ideal haha

  • +1 for the Roland MC-101

    A pandora's box of secrets (...and multi-key shortcuts)

    I love that it runs on 4xAA rechargeables too.

  • edited March 2025

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    @jklovemusic have you had a look at the Sonicware “Liven” grooveboxes?

    I don’t have one, and I’m not 100% sure they tick all of your requirement boxes (especially regarding the “lifetime storage”), but they can be found pretty cheap on Reverb.

    Also, what about the Korg Volcas?

    Things change as one of my frd with multiple Sonicware just told me their sequencers are quite different. I took a look and found the Mega Synthesis has a 128 patterns of 128 steps sequencer with 6 tracks 6(track 1-3)+4(track 4-5)+3(track 6 Sampler) max 13 Polyphony. This change the equation and make it a very budget and capable device that checked all my boxes

  • @Gavinski said:

    @jklovemusic said:

    @catherder said:
    @jklovemusic would a screen with a good night mode (reduced brightness and reduced blue light) work? An e-ink display is only as good as your room lighting or its backlight.

    Actually the equation is not only the night time. If i can redirect more than half of my passive screen time, like reading X, articales and ebooks to the e-ink device. I actually don’t have to leave iPad/Mac for muisc production.

    Also - I know their usefulness is controversial, but have you thought about blue light filtering glasses?

    But then you have to ditch your peril sensitive sunglasses. Not a good tradeoff.

  • @Gavinski feel better after a few days with blue light filtering glasses, not sure if thats placebo effect haha

  • @jklovemusic said:

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    @jklovemusic have you had a look at the Sonicware “Liven” grooveboxes?

    I don’t have one, and I’m not 100% sure they tick all of your requirement boxes (especially regarding the “lifetime storage”), but they can be found pretty cheap on Reverb.

    Also, what about the Korg Volcas?

    Things change as one of my frd with multiple Sonicware just told me their sequencers are quite different. I took a look and found the Mega Synthesis has a 128 patterns of 128 steps sequencer with 6 tracks 6(track 1-3)+4(track 4-5)+3(track 6 Sampler) max 13 Polyphony. This change the equation and make it a very budget and capable device that checked all my boxes

    Nice lofi FMbox :-)

  • @dendy said:

    Indeed cheap and fun and night time friendly. I just little surprised their Liven series sequencers all have different spec.

  • @jklovemusic said:
    @Gavinski feel better after a few days with blue light filtering glasses, not sure if thats placebo effect haha

    OK, good to know!

  • Update of what I learned from the process.

    1, no perfect "hardware" for any individual, any budget, any use case.
    2, getting rid of what can't be standed for is more meaningful than what you must have
    3, storage is more important than music related features, managing VERY limited storage on a budget device is a waste of my time/life
    4, all boxes are FUN!

  • I think that the best groovebox for this purpose is the one that is easy enough to operate with your eyes closed :smile:

  • @rs2000 said:
    I think that the best groovebox for this purpose is the one that is easy enough to operate with your eyes closed :smile:

    From this angle, Audiobook > paper book > ebook

    And from gears I have tried, Behringer EDGE(or similar stuff) does just that.

  • @jklovemusic said:

    @rs2000 said:
    I think that the best groovebox for this purpose is the one that is easy enough to operate with your eyes closed :smile:

    From this angle, Audiobook > paper book > ebook

    And from gears I have tried, Behringer EDGE(or similar stuff) does just that.

    Thanks! I had an eye on the Behringers as well!

  • Sonicware!

  • edited August 2025

    @Meek3 said:
    Sonicware!

    most Livens only come with 64 patterns, except MEGA and Wraps. Really nice to play with but too limited storage.

    imagine your phone can only store 64 photos/videos

  • But I do like the no-screen, batteries and speaker.

  • @Crabman said:
    Ableton Move.

    >

    Ditto

    It's fun, fast, and has no screens.

  • @ecamburn said:

    @Crabman said:
    Ableton Move.

    >

    Ditto

    It's fun, fast, and has no screens.

    Agreed. So much fun. But it does have a screen though

  • @mistercharlie said:

    @ecamburn said:

    @Crabman said:
    Ableton Move.

    >

    Ditto

    It's fun, fast, and has no screens.

    Agreed. So much fun. But it does have a screen though

    Yes but that is just for patternumber bpm and so.
    No menus on screen.

  • @Meek3 said:

    @mistercharlie said:

    @ecamburn said:

    @Crabman said:
    Ableton Move.

    >

    Ditto

    It's fun, fast, and has no screens.

    Agreed. So much fun. But it does have a screen though

    Yes but that is just for patternumber bpm and so.
    No menus on screen.

    Exactly! that's just a 4 digit calculator display, it is not a modern "screen" at all

  • @jklovemusic said:

    @Meek3 said:

    @mistercharlie said:

    @ecamburn said:

    @Crabman said:
    Ableton Move.

    >

    Ditto

    It's fun, fast, and has no screens.

    Agreed. So much fun. But it does have a screen though

    Yes but that is just for patternumber bpm and so.
    No menus on screen.

    Exactly! that's just a 4 digit calculator display, it is not a modern "screen" at all

    The Move’s screen is used for all kinds of menus, sample-slicing, synth and fx parameters.

  • Update:

    Been using a 2nd hand Model:Cycles for months and it does serve my primary purpose very well. I have been away from mobile and iPad screen before sleep since I own it and my sleep quality and overall health improved signaficantly.

    I just secured my 2nd used bedtime hardware. A Liven 8bit wrap. I just have to say, most people don't get it. The 50 sec looper tracks make it a stripped down OP-1 alternative at very low cost. Good enough for my bedtime usage.

    Even better it can feed M:C into aux in. Now I can layer some fancy chords over M:C.

    I guess this is enough and I won't expand this setup until these devices broken.

  • Apropos of this thread, my old Novation Circuit has spent the past several years up in the magic attic stashed back in its box because it stopped working. A few weeks ago I took it down again and tried it, but tried it on a different power supply and – it works again! The power supply it came with is buggered, but the Circuit itself is working. I’m quite sure when I put it up in the attic it was because it would not work at all on any PSU or even batteries, it was just stone dead on its own. Now after all those years the attic has sorted it out to be an external PSU fault, while healing the Circuit.

    I never got on with it when I had it before, for a few reasons, I’m still irked by not knowing what a knob will do, and I think a lot of Circuit-based jam sessions integrated a particular musical motif of “try a knob, no that’s not at all what I want, quickly move it back to where it was”, which is characteristic Circuit jam session style.

    The other reason was that most of the sounds seemed to have a sort of underlying modulation to them which made even the simpler sounds among them seem a bit impure to me.

    Also the internal software updates for it kept adding features but didn’t add extra buttons with labels, so I never comprehended the new features because either I had never been introduced to them properly, or they were mentioned, meant nothing, and I forgot them.

    But the overall principle of a sequencer dominant box with a couple of synths and a sample-based drum machine in it is quite appealing, so I should see where it now fits in my gear (it makes the amount of gear I now have slightly too much, I thought it was dead) (I don’t have much gear and don’t want much gear, where would I put it).

  • edited September 4

    @u0421793 said:
    Apropos of this thread, my old Novation Circuit has spent the past several years up in the magic attic stashed back in its box because it stopped working. A few weeks ago I took it down again and tried it, but tried it on a different power supply and – it

    Circuit, when you invest time to really learn all key combos an features (which is not easy) is then incrediby creative tool, true INSTRUMENT which feeds creativity as hell.. But it has slow learning curve, you must be willing to invest some time to make muscle memory about all combos, features, stuff.. but then - it GREATLY pays off.. when things clicks, you realise it's best "put ideas quickly to something working" tool in the market ..

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