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Oh oh, this is still on the table - Register for dissidents

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  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @RulesOfBlazon said:

    @mannix said:
    Trump has won, Brexit is a fact. Get on with your lives.
    In 4 years US citizens have a chance to choose another POTUS :)

    I ain't gonna wait four minutes much less four years to stand up for what's right in my country. I think that orange bucket of shit is a criminal and a traitor, and I'm gonna scream and yell and do everything I possibly can to kick him the fuck out of power and into jail where he belongs. Get in my way at your own risk.

    Well, that escalated quickly.

    Blazon, I agree with you completely. But I think we need to not attack those who disagree with us. An astonishing number of people voted for someone who is so completely unqualified for the office. (I mean you can point to any number of things. My latest favorite is that pathetic Twitter picture of him "writing" his inauguration speech. Two days before inauguration. On a legal pad unnaturally bent to prevent anyone seeing that the pad was empty. And the pen he's using? It's a SHARPIE. Oh, my days.)

    But let's honor their decision. For many, or even most, it was a vote AGAINST. Rural America will likely suffer the most by the policies Trump has aligned himself with. But we are all on the same team. We're going to need to unite at some point. We need to give Trump supporters a way to back away from this. And we should acknowledge their service to the nation by shaking things up.

    So let's unify, let's educate, let's protest. I don't believe for a second that Trump will succeed, but I'm not going to root for his failure. But I'll work for his replacement.

    I'm from New York, and we know him well — he's not going to change. He's a reflexive liar who is not quite sure that all men are created equal. He is an insecure, outer-borough narcissist who has never admitted to making a mistake. I have faith, however, that most Americans who voted for him will admit their mistake.

    Brutha, all I am really trying to do is to get the people who screwed up to come around. My umbrage here is directed at the idea that I should just be sitting down silent right now. Not gonna happen!

  • @ExAsperis99 outer-borough narcissist Giggles.....as for my friend @RulesOfBlazon, I agree with you in broadbrush, but also wake-up wondering what I wished for with the words "President Pence" ringing in my hollow ears.....let's hope we can channel some of our angst and protest in words and music....

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    @ExAsperis99 outer-borough narcissist Giggles.....as for my friend @RulesOfBlazon, I agree with you in broadbrush, but also wake-up wondering what I wished for with the words "President Pence" ringing in my hollow ears.....let's hope we can channel some of our angst and protest in words and music....

    I think the impeachment process will definitely flush out Pence's complicity in the Russia shenanigans, and, at that point, the damage will be so severe that it won't be possible to go to the statutory line of succession to fill the oval office. (No President Ryan, no President McConnell. There may even be a special election).

    You're bang on right that this is a great opportunity to channel angst into creativity. I never do this, but here's how I spent some of last Saturday (and a great big h/t to the weather for washing out both my girls' soccer games):

  • @mannix said:

    @RulesOfBlazon said:

    @mannix said:
    Trump has won, Brexit is a fact. Get on with your lives.
    In 4 years US citizens have a chance to choose another POTUS :)

    I ain't gonna wait four minutes much less four years to stand up for what's right in my country. I think that orange bucket of shit is a criminal and a traitor, and I'm gonna scream and yell and do everything I possibly can to kick him the fuck out of power and into jail where he belongs. Get in my way at your own risk.

    Calm done. Take a deep breath and enjoy life. And think why Trump won ;)

    That was a pretty good video, I don't agree with all of it, but he said it pretty good. Mostly just the Bernie beating anyone, really. That's just funny.

    @lala said:
    Trump got elected because Americans can't agree on the color of shit.
    And it will get worse, more poverty, more violence, more dead unarmed black teenagers shot by some redneck in uniform, more pollution and more puzzled intellectuals that wonder why all of this is happening. &_&

    I didn't vote for him, no flippin way. But, I fail to see how it could get any worse than it was under Obama.

    @RulesOfBlazon said:

    @theconnactic said:

    Trump used a populist rhetoric to get elected, yes - he's a media man after all - but he's a pragmatic businessman. in fact, he's far from a conservative, so expect him to use protectionist economic policies

    He's filled his cabinet with Goldman Sachs robber barons and other billionaires. That makes George W. Bush look like Eugene V. Debs. And if your definition of "pragmatic" is "failed, fraudulent and in billions of dollars in hock to the Russians", then yeah, he's very, very, very pragmatic.

    And he has NO economic policies. He's not interested in anything except wedging his ass out of the crack he's put it in. He's gonna steal as much as he can until he gets caught, and then he's gonna make a run for it.

    And it's the poorest among us who are gonna get screwed the hardest.

    Usually it's the middle class that get hit/screwed. Rich can afford, poor have programs that help. Middle of the road. Nadda. zip.

  • On 'protest' votes:

    "But people have been voting for UKIP as a protest vote, and they're nasty, and they might get in. ... That's like shitting in your hotel bed as a protest against bad service, then realising you've now got to sleep in a shitted bed."

    Stewart Lee

  • @High5denied said:

    @mannix said:

    @RulesOfBlazon said:

    @mannix said:
    Trump has won, Brexit is a fact. Get on with your lives.
    In 4 years US citizens have a chance to choose another POTUS :)

    I ain't gonna wait four minutes much less four years to stand up for what's right in my country. I think that orange bucket of shit is a criminal and a traitor, and I'm gonna scream and yell and do everything I possibly can to kick him the fuck out of power and into jail where he belongs. Get in my way at your own risk.

    Calm done. Take a deep breath and enjoy life. And think why Trump won ;)

    That was a pretty good video, I don't agree with all of it, but he said it pretty good. Mostly just the Bernie beating anyone, really. That's just funny.

    @lala said:
    Trump got elected because Americans can't agree on the color of shit.
    And it will get worse, more poverty, more violence, more dead unarmed black teenagers shot by some redneck in uniform, more pollution and more puzzled intellectuals that wonder why all of this is happening. &_&

    I didn't vote for him, no flippin way. But, I fail to see how it could get any worse than it was under Obama.

    @RulesOfBlazon said:

    @theconnactic said:

    Trump used a populist rhetoric to get elected, yes - he's a media man after all - but he's a pragmatic businessman. in fact, he's far from a conservative, so expect him to use protectionist economic policies

    He's filled his cabinet with Goldman Sachs robber barons and other billionaires. That makes George W. Bush look like Eugene V. Debs. And if your definition of "pragmatic" is "failed, fraudulent and in billions of dollars in hock to the Russians", then yeah, he's very, very, very pragmatic.

    And he has NO economic policies. He's not interested in anything except wedging his ass out of the crack he's put it in. He's gonna steal as much as he can until he gets caught, and then he's gonna make a run for it.

    And it's the poorest among us who are gonna get screwed the hardest.

    Usually it's the middle class that get hit/screwed. Rich can afford, poor have programs that help. Middle of the road. Nadda. zip.

    But aren't the middle, the largest part of the electorate, if so, that means they have been screwing themselves all along?

  • @High5denied said:

    @mannix said:

    @RulesOfBlazon said:

    @mannix said:
    But, I fail to see how it could get any worse than it was under Obama.

    Yes, our long national nightmare of a rebounding economy, historically low unemployment and universal healthcare is almost over.

  • @knewspeak said:

    Unfortunately I think this was inevitable, whatever the outcome of the elections, remember this is a global problem, Trump and Brexit, ......., .........., are the symptoms.

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/18/pf/wealth-inequality/

  • edited January 2017

    News flash there never was an economic rebound and in fact we are now ten trillion more in debt justifying to keep it afloat. Universal healthcare has been an abissmal failure and is getting worse instead of better before Trump even got there. And there are more people unemployed the ones who were never remployed do have to be counted. Plus it should be noted that those who were re employed went back at lower wages by large.

  • In all likelihood things are going to be as boring as they always are and he'll get re-elected in 2020. This is the way of things. We get all worked up, start screaming about the apocalypse and then it's just a big wet fart and a bunch of okie dokie.

  • @Tritonman said:
    News flash there never was an economic rebound

    You are out of your mind. That's just ridiculous. You don't remember the Great Recession of 2008? The stock market crash???

  • @Tritonman said:
    News flash there never was an economic rebound and in fact we are now ten trillion more in debt justifying to keep it afloat. Universal healthcare has been an abissmal failure and is getting worse instead of better before Trump even got there. And there are more people unemployed the ones who were never remployed do have to be counted. Plus it should be noted that those who were re employed went back at lower wages by large.

  • @Tritonman said:
    News flash there never was an economic rebound and in fact e are now ten trillion more in debt justifying to keep it afloat.

    The consequences of the even Greater depression, could have been much worse had it not been nationalised, but, we are still suffering it's effects, Austerity.

  • @Tritonman said:
    News flash there never was an economic rebound and in fact we are now ten trillion more in debt justifying to keep it afloat. Universal healthcare has been an abissmal failure and is getting worse instead of better before Trump even got there. And there are more people unemployed the ones who were never remployed do have to be counted. Plus it should be noted that those who were re employed went back at lower wages by large.

    Oh, honey. There's a great big world out there, and I know it's a little scary sometimes, but there's a whole lot to like. Come check it out. Take baby steps at first if you have to.

  • Yeah I know, health care for everybody is considered communistic. :D

  • @db909 said:
    In all likelihood things are going to be as boring as they always are and he'll get re-elected in 2020. This is the way of things. We get all worked up, start screaming about the apocalypse and then it's just a big wet fart and a bunch of okie dokie.

    But it's not. The majority of Westerners are just lucky to have enjoyed relatively good living, peace and stability for the last half a century.

    That's not the natural order of things. Go back a bit further and you've got war, famine, epidemics, starvation and loads of other bad stuff as the norm.

    We're a collection of generations that have been shielded from the horrors, complacent that it'll always be like this.

    It won't, peace and stability are precious things that should be cherished - changes put in motion last year have put all this at risk.

    As the song says, 'there may be trouble ahead...'

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @High5denied said:

    @mannix said:

    @RulesOfBlazon said:

    @mannix said:
    But, I fail to see how it could get any worse than it was under Obama.

    Yes, our long national nightmare of a rebounding economy, historically low unemployment and universal healthcare is almost over.

    Ok. disagree I do.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @db909 said:
    In all likelihood things are going to be as boring as they always are and he'll get re-elected in 2020. This is the way of things. We get all worked up, start screaming about the apocalypse and then it's just a big wet fart and a bunch of okie dokie.

    But it's not. The majority of Westerners are just lucky to have enjoyed relatively good living, peace and stability for the last half a century.

    That's not the natural order of things. Go back a bit further and you've got war, famine, epidemics, starvation and loads of other bad stuff as the norm.

    We're a collection of generations that have been shielded from the horrors, complacent that it'll always be like this.

    It won't, peace and stability are precious things that should be cherished - changes put in motion last year have put all this at risk.

    As the song says, 'there may be trouble ahead...'

    Yes, but learning to walk, often is preceded by a fall.

  • @Tritonman said:

    @Tritonman said:
    News flash there never was an economic rebound and in fact we are now ten trillion more in debt justifying to keep it afloat. Universal healthcare has been an abissmal failure and is getting worse instead of better before Trump even got there. And there are more people unemployed the ones who were never remployed do have to be counted. Plus it should be noted that those who were re employed went back at lower wages by large.

    OK. You're not a serious person; you're making shit up.
    National debt: Yes, the debt under Obama is enormous, just as it was under Bush II. That happens when you launch and maintain trillion-dollar wars and cut the effective tax rate. You want a president who runs a surplus? You're talking about Bill Clinton, the last president to leave office with a surplus.

    As for the unemployment rate, you are simply wrong. Or you're believing a guy who thinks Obama was born in Keyna and that the real rate is 20%. Unemployment is down, but it looks unlikely that the Republican Congress will approve a $15/hour minimum wage....

  • The national debt went up under Clinton also in fact. Look it up.

  • edited January 2017

    The unemployment rate and those still unemployed are not the same. If you want to be serious at least get your facts straight.and again at a cost of ten trillion dollars! That is more debt than all presidents who came before combined correct?

  • I feel a little success.
    We are beginning to have a conversation.
    That's much better than let's not touch that because it will lead to trouble.

  • @Tritonman said:
    The national debt went up under Clinton also in fact. Look it up.

    No it didn't.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_public_debt

  • OK. I looked it up.
    These charts come from the U.S. Government Printing Office.


  • That chart shows it going up as I said.

    @lala said:

    @Tritonman said:
    The national debt went up under Clinton also in fact. Look it up.

    No it didn't.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_public_debt

  • Clinton balanced a budget which is a whole different animal.

  • edited January 2017

    When the government runs a surplus they are making us all poorer. They are taking money out of the economy, ie from all of us.

    When the government runs a deficit, they putting more money into the economy than they take out, which means more trade, more sales, more money for you and me.

    The government debt is not like a household debt. US government bonds are much closer to a deposit account. The safest deposit account in the world, which is why there is so much demand for it.

    When you put $100 into a savings account at the bank, the bank is technically in debt to you. Is in there a big uproar and a lot of fearmongering when banks take more deposits? No. But bank deposits are less safe than government bonds, because the government can't default, as the monopoly issuer of currency.

    People who worry about government debt don't understand economics. Fact.

    The debt will never be repaid, never recalled, it will be rolled over forever. It could could reach 200-300% of GDP with zero consequences. The Fed could buy it all and cancel it, again with zero consequences.

  • @richardyot said:
    When the government runs a surplus they are making us all poorer. They are taking money out of the economy, ie from all of us.

    When the government runs a deficit, they putting more money into the economy than they take out, which means more trade, more sales, more money for you and me.

    The government debt is not like a household debt. US government bonds are much closer to a deposit account. The safest deposit account in the world, which is why there is so much demand for it.

    When you put $100 into a savings account at the bank, the bank is technically in debt to you. Is in there a big uproar and a lot of fearmongering when banks take more deposits? No. But bank deposits are less safe than government bonds, because the government can't default, as the monopoly issuer of currency.

    People who worry about government debt don't understand economics. Fact.

    The debt will never be repaid, never recalled, it will be rolled over forever. It could could reach 200-300% of GDP with zero consequences. The Fed could buy it all and cancel it, again with zero consequences.

    Zero consequences?

  • @richardyot said:
    When the government runs a surplus they are making us all poorer. They are taking money out of the economy, ie from all of us.

    When the government runs a deficit, they putting more money into the economy than they take out, which means more trade, more sales, more money for you and me.

    Doesn't seem to be working that way in the UK.

  • So back to topic guys.
    Do you want your government to have lists of people about who they worship?
    This is data that can be misused in so many ways that you simply don't want to have that data ...
    Let's ignore the fact that this is unconstitutional and governments do what they want in secrecy.

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