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Audiokit released their 909 app

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited November 2020
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  • studs1966studs1966

    i bought it.. love it.. Fun to use..Its a cool little 909.. Its only just been release, so it will have a few teething problems, to some people.. Works ok & does what it intended to do.. Like most apps, they will get sorted, & like to support the devs.. Its reasonably priced.. Thinks it great.. I look forward to more of there apps in the future.. ;)

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    @analog_matt Hey man I truly love the app, it sounds better than I thought it would, it’s really great, especially for $2.99.

    I wanted to give you a heads up, in hopes that this helps with fixing any issues. I just downloaded AK909 on my iPhone 6s which is only on iOS 13.7 and had the same issue as I did with iPad 6 on 14.2 last night. It crashes in standalone, then when I go to AUM and try to load any Auv3 in an audio channel, it says there are no Audio Unit Extensions on this device. I’ve never had this issue before but I have heard others mention having a similar problem but with other things not this app specifically. Today It did the same on my iphone 6s on 13.7 that it did last night on my iPad 14.2. Last night I did a restart and AUM was fixed, (it recognized all my auv3’s again) and AK909 was working fine as an AUv3 in aum. However Standalone still crashes upon loading.

    I found it really odd that an app I downloaded made another app, AUM, not recognize any Auv3 apps on my device. Well on 2 separate devices, on 2 separate iOS iterations. Again a restart fixed the AUM issue. Hope some of this helps if you need analytics DM me.

  • erosseross

    how do you make it advance to the next pattern automatically?

  • wimwim
    edited November 2020

    @eross said:
    how do you make it advance to the next pattern automatically?

    you can't

  • dvidvi

    @Poppadocrock said:

    I found it really odd that an app I downloaded made another app, AUM, not recognize any Auv3 apps on my device. Well on 2 separate devices, on 2 separate iOS iterations. Again a restart fixed the AUM issue. Hope some of this helps if you need analytics DM me.

    This happened to me (AUv3 not recognized in AUM) when I updated Drambo using iPadOS 14.2. Restarting the iPad solved the problem. It seems the bug is still lurking in there.

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    @dvi said:

    @Poppadocrock said:

    I found it really odd that an app I downloaded made another app, AUM, not recognize any Auv3 apps on my device. Well on 2 separate devices, on 2 separate iOS iterations. Again a restart fixed the AUM issue. Hope some of this helps if you need analytics DM me.

    This happened to me (AUv3 not recognized in AUM) when I updated Drambo using iPadOS 14.2. Restarting the iPad solved the problem. It seems the bug is still lurking in there.

    Gotcha. Thanks for that info.

  • reasOnereasOne

    how many 909s do we need still? i fell like pureacid ended that game

  • ralisralis

    Well, I for one find their marketing sleazy and the whole limited buy it now or it’s gone or pay some artificial exorbitant price is insulting. Then it does not even work correctly. People say hey it’s only 3 bucks. You Can give them your money, I will not.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2020

    @reasOne said:
    how many 909s do we need still? i fell like pureacid ended that game

    Really? That's just a sample based drum machine. I like it a lot, but this is a lot more than that - sound wise, that is. Sequencing-wise, it's a lot less. ;)

  • FPCFPC

    @wim said:

    @reasOne said:
    how many 909s do we need still? i fell like pureacid ended that game

    Really? That's just a sample based drum machine. I like it a lot, but this is a lot more than that - sound wise, that is. Sequencing-wise, it's a lot less. ;)

    Exactly. PureAcid really is amongst the best news ever but it’s 909 samples sound so weak compared to this monster. Fingers crossed for a few fixes and enhancements.

  • reasOnereasOne

    @wim said:

    @reasOne said:
    how many 909s do we need still? i fell like pureacid ended that game

    Really? That's just a sample based drum machine. I like it a lot, but this is a lot more than that - sound wise, that is. Sequencing-wise, it's a lot less. ;)

    i guess i just don’t have the ear for detroit techno 😂 kinda all the emulations sound the same to my old ears. i digress 🤪

  • AnalogCortexAnalogCortex
    edited November 2020

    @realdawei said:

    @AnalogCortex said:
    Loving the sounds, but when I try to record in GarageBand via AU, the timeline is empty despite being able to hear what was just recorded. What am I missing?

    It means the Auv3 doesn’t support MIDI out. Which for me makes it unusable (beyond the timing issue)

    Thanks for the info. So...this app is useless for GarageBand users? Their other apps do support Auv3 midi out I believe. Why would they design this app without midi out support?

  • wimwim

    @AnalogCortex said:

    @realdawei said:

    @AnalogCortex said:
    Loving the sounds, but when I try to record in GarageBand via AU, the timeline is empty despite being able to hear what was just recorded. What am I missing?

    It means the Auv3 doesn’t support MIDI out. Which for me makes it unusable (beyond the timing issue)

    Thanks for the info. So...this app is useless for GarageBand users?

    No. Only the sequencer is, and only then if you require the midi to be recorded in GarageBand. It's useful for playing the app from GarageBand's sequencer.

  • AnalogCortexAnalogCortex
    edited November 2020

    @wim said:

    @AnalogCortex said:

    @realdawei said:

    @AnalogCortex said:
    Loving the sounds, but when I try to record in GarageBand via AU, the timeline is empty despite being able to hear what was just recorded. What am I missing?

    It means the Auv3 doesn’t support MIDI out. Which for me makes it unusable (beyond the timing issue)

    Thanks for the info. So...this app is useless for GarageBand users?

    No. Only the sequencer is, and only then if you require the midi to be recorded in GarageBand. It's useful for playing the app from GarageBand's sequencer.

    Thanks, but I still don’t quite understand. I open 909 as an AU in GarageBand. I pick a 909 preset pattern. I hit record in GarageBand, and the pattern plays through, appearing to be recorded in GarageBand. When I go to track view in GarageBand there appears to be nothing recorded. Though, when I press play I can hear what was recorded.

    How do I record a preset 909 pattern in GarageBand and have visible output to work with on the GarageBand timeline? I apologize for being a doofus.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2020

    @AnalogCortex said:

    @wim said:

    @AnalogCortex said:

    @realdawei said:

    @AnalogCortex said:
    Loving the sounds, but when I try to record in GarageBand via AU, the timeline is empty despite being able to hear what was just recorded. What am I missing?

    It means the Auv3 doesn’t support MIDI out. Which for me makes it unusable (beyond the timing issue)

    Thanks for the info. So...this app is useless for GarageBand users?

    No. Only the sequencer is, and only then if you require the midi to be recorded in GarageBand. It's useful for playing the app from GarageBand's sequencer.

    Thanks, but I still don’t quite understand. I open 909 as an AU in GarageBand. I pick a 909 preset pattern. I hit record in GarageBand, and the pattern plays through, appearing to be recorded in GarageBand. When I go to track view in GarageBand there appears to be nothing recorded. Though, when I press play I can hear what was recorded.

    How do I record a preset 909 pattern in GarageBand and have visible output to work with on the GarageBand timeline?

    You can't. The app doesn't output midi.

    You can input your own pattern in GarageBand's piano roll (not in the 909 app itself) to play the 909 app, then you'll have a visual reference and something to work with. Choose an empty pattern in the 909 app so you don't get doubling up of notes. The pads start from C1 on the kick and go up the keyboard chromatically.

  • klownshedklownshed
    edited November 2020

    @wim said:

    @AnalogCortex said:

    @wim said:

    @AnalogCortex said:

    @realdawei said:

    @AnalogCortex said:
    Loving the sounds, but when I try to record in GarageBand via AU, the timeline is empty despite being able to hear what was just recorded. What am I missing?

    It means the Auv3 doesn’t support MIDI out. Which for me makes it unusable (beyond the timing issue)

    Thanks for the info. So...this app is useless for GarageBand users?

    No. Only the sequencer is, and only then if you require the midi to be recorded in GarageBand. It's useful for playing the app from GarageBand's sequencer.

    Thanks, but I still don’t quite understand. I open 909 as an AU in GarageBand. I pick a 909 preset pattern. I hit record in GarageBand, and the pattern plays through, appearing to be recorded in GarageBand. When I go to track view in GarageBand there appears to be nothing recorded. Though, when I press play I can hear what was recorded.

    How do I record a preset 909 pattern in GarageBand and have visible output to work with on the GarageBand timeline?

    You can't. The app doesn't output midi.

    You can input your own pattern in GarageBand's piano roll (not in the 909 app itself) to play the 909 app, then you'll have a visual reference and something to work with. Choose an empty pattern in the 909 app so you don't get doubling up of notes. The pads start from C1 on the kick and go up the keyboard chromatically.

    But at the moment, even if you use GarageBand to sequence AR-909, it is still not in time.

    Here's a loop of a kick and HH in GB and the corresponding audio exported from GB and imported into Logic.

    The hit should be at the beginning of the bar. It's quantised to ⅛ notes in GB.

    Not good but I'm fairly sure it'll be fixed soon.

    It’s such an obvious bug I’m wondering if it crept in after the last beta. You just can’t miss it. The timing is instantly and very obviously off and basically not yet useable in a DAW/Sequencer as an Auv3.

  • Paul16Paul16

    sounds fantastic WOOTed up

  • FPCFPC

    @AnalogCortex said:

    @wim said:

    @AnalogCortex said:

    @realdawei said:

    @AnalogCortex said:
    Loving the sounds, but when I try to record in GarageBand via AU, the timeline is empty despite being able to hear what was just recorded. What am I missing?

    It means the Auv3 doesn’t support MIDI out. Which for me makes it unusable (beyond the timing issue)

    Thanks for the info. So...this app is useless for GarageBand users?

    No. Only the sequencer is, and only then if you require the midi to be recorded in GarageBand. It's useful for playing the app from GarageBand's sequencer.

    Thanks, but I still don’t quite understand. I open 909 as an AU in GarageBand. I pick a 909 preset pattern. I hit record in GarageBand, and the pattern plays through, appearing to be recorded in GarageBand. When I go to track view in GarageBand there appears to be nothing recorded. Though, when I press play I can hear what was recorded.

    How do I record a preset 909 pattern in GarageBand and have visible output to work with on the GarageBand timeline? I apologize for being a doofus.

    I’m sure wim will chime in here but as far I understand it 909 doesn’t output its midi sequencer data. So when you say “appearing to be recorded in GarageBand” what do you base this on? Are you seeing any midi note data written to the GB track timeline? Or just that you heard the beat playing whilst you were recording? Are you sure that when you press play you’re not just playing the synced signal from the 909 app again?

    I’m with you. My workflow means that any drum machine or groove box that doesn’t output it’s sequencers midi data to a DAWs timeline is of limited use to me (come on PureAcid :'( )

  • wimwim
    edited November 2020

    @klownshed said:
    But at the moment, even if you use GarageBand to sequence AR-909, it is still not in time.

    Here's a loop of a kick and HH in GB and the corresponding audio exported from GB and imported into Logic.
    ...
    Not good but I'm fairly sure it'll be fixed soon.

    Yep, and yep.

    I also noticed a really bad aliasing sound when I tuned the kick in GarageBand. I haven't noticed that in other apps. If I tune the kick anywhere but 12:00, I get a ringing sound. This is with the crusher and all other FX disabled.

    I need to investigate that one further and do a bug report.

  • AnalogCortexAnalogCortex

    @wim said:

    @AnalogCortex said:

    @wim said:

    @AnalogCortex said:

    @realdawei said:

    @AnalogCortex said:
    Loving the sounds, but when I try to record in GarageBand via AU, the timeline is empty despite being able to hear what was just recorded. What am I missing?

    It means the Auv3 doesn’t support MIDI out. Which for me makes it unusable (beyond the timing issue)

    Thanks for the info. So...this app is useless for GarageBand users?

    No. Only the sequencer is, and only then if you require the midi to be recorded in GarageBand. It's useful for playing the app from GarageBand's sequencer.

    Thanks, but I still don’t quite understand. I open 909 as an AU in GarageBand. I pick a 909 preset pattern. I hit record in GarageBand, and the pattern plays through, appearing to be recorded in GarageBand. When I go to track view in GarageBand there appears to be nothing recorded. Though, when I press play I can hear what was recorded.

    How do I record a preset 909 pattern in GarageBand and have visible output to work with on the GarageBand timeline?

    You can't. The app doesn't output midi.

    You can input your own pattern in GarageBand's piano roll (not in the 909 app itself) to play the 909 app, then you'll have a visual reference and something to work with. Choose an empty pattern in the 909 app so you don't get doubling up of notes. The pads start from C1 on the kick and go up the keyboard chromatically.

    Thank you very much. Why would this app not support midi out? I believe their other apps do.

  • FPCFPC
    edited November 2020

    @AnalogCortex said:

    @wim said:

    @AnalogCortex said:

    @wim said:

    @AnalogCortex said:

    @realdawei said:

    @AnalogCortex said:
    Loving the sounds, but when I try to record in GarageBand via AU, the timeline is empty despite being able to hear what was just recorded. What am I missing?

    It means the Auv3 doesn’t support MIDI out. Which for me makes it unusable (beyond the timing issue)

    Thanks for the info. So...this app is useless for GarageBand users?

    No. Only the sequencer is, and only then if you require the midi to be recorded in GarageBand. It's useful for playing the app from GarageBand's sequencer.

    Thanks, but I still don’t quite understand. I open 909 as an AU in GarageBand. I pick a 909 preset pattern. I hit record in GarageBand, and the pattern plays through, appearing to be recorded in GarageBand. When I go to track view in GarageBand there appears to be nothing recorded. Though, when I press play I can hear what was recorded.

    How do I record a preset 909 pattern in GarageBand and have visible output to work with on the GarageBand timeline?

    You can't. The app doesn't output midi.

    You can input your own pattern in GarageBand's piano roll (not in the 909 app itself) to play the 909 app, then you'll have a visual reference and something to work with. Choose an empty pattern in the 909 app so you don't get doubling up of notes. The pads start from C1 on the kick and go up the keyboard chromatically.

    Thank you very much. Why would this app not support midi out? I believe their other apps do.

    Not all. PureAcid doesn’t. Drum computer does as does EG Pulse. Distressingly for me BeatHawk does but it doesn’t work properly. Many folks on here don’t mind this not working because they’re strange and spend all their time doing jams on AUM (joke!). I’m a traditional DAW finished song kinda guy.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2020

    @AnalogCortex said:
    Thank you very much. Why would this app not support midi out? I believe their other apps do.

    Which other AudioKit apps have a sequencer?

    There's no automatic commonality between apps just because they're made with the AudioKit framework or are sponsored by AudioKit. All these apps are developed by different people or teams. All have their own goals. All have their own timeline for development.

    That said, I get the impression that the initial focus on the 909 app was on awesome sound, and that the sequencer was put there initially just to get some quick ideas out. It may be that they have further plans for the sequencer, but, being already two months behind where they had hoped to release the app, they didn't get there yet. Or they may not decided to at all. For a $2.99 app, there's only so much developer time that makes sense.

  • anicktanickt

    @wim said:

    @AnalogCortex said:
    Thank you very much. Why would this app not support midi out? I believe their other apps do.

    Which other AudioKit apps have a sequencer?

    There's no automatic commonality between apps just because they're made with the AudioKit framework or are sponsored by AudioKit. All these apps are developed by different people or teams. All have their own goals. All have their own timeline for development.

    That said, I get the impression that the initial focus on the 909 app was on awesome sound, and that the sequencer was put there initially just to get some quick ideas out. It may be that they have further plans for the sequencer, but, being already two months behind where they had hoped to release the app, they didn't get there yet. Or they may not decided to at all. For a $2.99 app, there's only so much developer time that makes sense.

    Good point @wim. This app as it stands for $2.99 is killer. And your point about developer time is a good one. AudioKit is not really a full-blown app developer in the sense of someone like Sugar Bytes etc. are they? Isn't there a certain amount of unpaid work that goes on there? IDK :)

  • Paul16Paul16

    @Charlesalbert

    Dang it’s hot in here !

  • wimwim
    edited November 2020

    @anickt said:
    Good point @wim. This app as it stands for $2.99 is killer. And your point about developer time is a good one. AudioKit is not really a full-blown app developer in the sense of someone like Sugar Bytes etc. are they? Isn't there a certain amount of unpaid work that goes on there? IDK :)

    AudioKit isn't really an app publisher (though they have published some apps). AudioKit makes a FREE framework to make developing iOS music apps easier. It's a little bit like Mozaic, but on a grander scale. Mozaic provides a ton of underlying functionality accessible by a higher level language that makes it so you don't have to do all the hard work. Same with AudioKit. They provide a huge set of libraries that lets people do DSP and other things with much less code.

    They're also huge enthusiasts for iOS music making, and work with lots of people in the music and developer community to spark interest in making apps such as this. The whole "exclusive app" marketing thing that stokes such fury in some people is just an outgrowth of that enthusiasm.

    What is interesting is AudioKit isn't even a company as far as I know. They aren't doing this to generate profits. They're doing it to spread the enthusiasm. Which is another reason why I continue to shake my head in bewilderment over why people get so bent out of shape over their pricing "creativity". Oh well. I guess things are supposed to only work in predictable ways or they're threatening and evil.

    But, I digress! :D

    (Apologies in advance in the very likely case that I've said anything inaccurate above!)

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    What do you think of the framework itself @wim ?

  • wimwim
    edited November 2020

    @gusgranite said:
    What do you think of the framework itself @wim ?

    I'm not qualified to answer that in any meaningful way. I state marginally informed opinions as though they are fact all the time, but that would be waaayyyy over the top. :D

    Personally, I hope it gets rounded out to specifically make developing AUv3's easier. It may be further along than when I last looked, though.

  • Sequencer1Sequencer1
    edited November 2020

    Sugar Bytes is 2 software developers. And another 2 handling the admin + business side. 4 total.

    @anickt said:
    AudioKit is not really a full-blown app developer in the sense of someone like Sugar Bytes etc. are they?

  • RedSkyLullabyRedSkyLullaby

    Quick play demo

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