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LK - for Ableton Live & Midi by Imaginando - AUv3 Clip Launcher Finally Available in AUM!!

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  • @sinosoidal
    After seeing the latest announcements about the upcoming MIDI learn feature, I have finally jumped in and bought the Matrix IAP. I do like the agile way you are developing this application and are using the community to drive regular function updates.

    Is it possible to copy notes or clips between instances of LK, or is the only way to do this by using shared presets? My use case is that I have a 9x11 grid of 4 or 8 bar pre-defined clips which I noodle into during a jam session and then select clips which I would like to keep for further use, using colours to remind myself which clips are to keep. I would like to copy just these "good" clips to a fresh LK instance. Can selected notes from the piano roll be copy/pasted between clips?

    A few other questions that have come to me while using LK for the first time:

    1) Is there a way of quickly throwing away notes and starting a clip again? My use case here is that I am halfway through the clip and realise what I am playing is no good (happens frequently!) and want to try again. At the moment I need to click stop for the clip, click undo and then click play again. It would be useful if there were a (MIDI mappable!) try-again button which cleared the notes in the clip and reset the playhead.

    2) When I am done with a clip then I need a way of moving to the next. With my workflow I move downwards to the next clip in the track so that I can keep recording. If I touch the next clip onscreen then this works well. It would be nice though if the navigation buttons were MIDI mappable so I could hit a controller button then play and be ready to record into a fresh clip. Also useful would be an option to move to the first clip of the next track if I am on the last clip of the current track and disarm the recording of the old track.

  • @MisplacedDevelopment said:
    @sinosoidal
    After seeing the latest announcements about the upcoming MIDI learn feature, I have finally jumped in and bought the Matrix IAP. I do like the agile way you are developing this application and are using the community to drive regular function updates.

    Is it possible to copy notes or clips between instances of LK, or is the only way to do this by using shared presets? My use case is that I have a 9x11 grid of 4 or 8 bar pre-defined clips which I noodle into during a jam session and then select clips which I would like to keep for further use, using colours to remind myself which clips are to keep. I would like to copy just these "good" clips to a fresh LK instance. Can selected notes from the piano roll be copy/pasted between clips?

    A few other questions that have come to me while using LK for the first time:

    1) Is there a way of quickly throwing away notes and starting a clip again? My use case here is that I am halfway through the clip and realise what I am playing is no good (happens frequently!) and want to try again. At the moment I need to click stop for the clip, click undo and then click play again. It would be useful if there were a (MIDI mappable!) try-again button which cleared the notes in the clip and reset the playhead.

    2) When I am done with a clip then I need a way of moving to the next. With my workflow I move downwards to the next clip in the track so that I can keep recording. If I touch the next clip onscreen then this works well. It would be nice though if the navigation buttons were MIDI mappable so I could hit a controller button then play and be ready to record into a fresh clip. Also useful would be an option to move to the first clip of the next track if I am on the last clip of the current track and disarm the recording of the old track.

    You can export/import midi from/to a clip:

    To throw away notes in at clip, in the notes tool select "Del.All"

  • @sinosoidal said:

    The angle here is to avoid some really tricky crashes which seem to be related with this.

    Hi, I've just tried to install LK in Ableton again, I haven't tried for a while, but the LK midi script is crashing Live for me. I couldn't find Ubridge from a direct link on your website, but Google found it, are there known issues with LK not working currently with Live? I tried an older version of Ubridge script and it also crashed.
    I can appreciate the difficulty in keeping it updated at the same time as the iOS version expands though, so I can understand if the Live module is on hold for now. :)

  • @ksound said:

    @sinosoidal said:
    We have released a new build that adds Launchpad Pro support. Looking forward to hear feedback from Launchpad Pro users. :blush:

    Woo! Just picked up a second Launchpad Pro.

    Cool! Do you play them like Geoshred style instruments or use them primarily as controls?

  • @Carnbot said:
    @sinosoidal said:

    The angle here is to avoid some really tricky crashes which seem to be related with this.

    Hi, I've just tried to install LK in Ableton again, I haven't tried for a while, but the LK midi script is crashing Live for me. I couldn't find Ubridge from a direct link on your website, but Google found it, are there known issues with LK not working currently with Live? I tried an older version of Ubridge script and it also crashed.
    I can appreciate the difficulty in keeping it updated at the same time as the iOS version expands though, so I can understand if the Live module is on hold for now. :)

    What version of Live are you using? We have been fixing bugs regarding Live integration. Things that broke with the latest refactors. We are not having live crashes. Can you reproduce them sistematically? Does it happen with a new project or with an exististing project?

    From my experience, it is very hard to crash Live. Usually, a control surface does not do that. We need all the info you can provide. Reach me by email or pvt message.

  • It will be nice to get some videos of the rapid development of this app.. functioning.. and the other modules too..

    Thanks..

  • @sinosoidal said:

    @ronnieb said:
    I have used it but not super often. Assuming we could run the standalone app in Live mode while also running AUv3 instances (maybe having a button in the AUv3 to switch to the standalone app like some IAA apps do), I wouldn't mind, especially if it means we get extra goodies in the AUv3 >:)

    @White said:
    I never use it, so I have no problem with it being removed from the Auv3.

    The angle here is to avoid some really tricky crashes which seem to be related with this.

    I'm using Live Remote only from the standalone LK.

  • @RajahP said:
    It will be nice to get some videos of the rapid development of this app.. functioning.. and the other modules too..

    Thanks..

    I was trying to make a video each week but it is hard to keep the pace and still do videos! :blush:

  • @sinosoidal said:

    @RajahP said:
    It will be nice to get some videos of the rapid development of this app.. functioning.. and the other modules too..

    Thanks..

    I was trying to make a video each week but it is hard to keep the pace and still do videos! :blush:

    Comprehend. Maybe one of our VideoMakers here can give a helping hand...

    Will be nice to see how the entire suite works with each other... Export to Ableton, etc.

    Much Thanks..

  • @RajahP said:

    @sinosoidal said:

    @RajahP said:
    It will be nice to get some videos of the rapid development of this app.. functioning.. and the other modules too..

    Thanks..

    I was trying to make a video each week but it is hard to keep the pace and still do videos! :blush:

    Comprehend. Maybe one of our VideoMakers here can give a helping hand...

    Will be nice to see how the entire suite works with each other... Export to Ableton, etc.

    Much Thanks..

    @Gavinski 's tutorials are very good! :wink:

  • @sinosoidal said:

    From my experience, it is very hard to crash Live. Usually, a control surface does not do that. We need all the info you can provide. Reach me by email or pvt message.

    Ok, just tried on a fresh session and it's not crashing so it must be another thing I have in there :)

  • @Carnbot said:

    @sinosoidal said:

    From my experience, it is very hard to crash Live. Usually, a control surface does not do that. We need all the info you can provide. Reach me by email or pvt message.

    Ok, just tried on a fresh session and it's not crashing so it must be another thing I have in there :)

    keep me updated! ;)

  • @sinosoidal : the MIDI learn is great. It makes LK much more usable for me.

    There are a couple of things that I have noticed when recording with LK. This is in AUM with my keyboard (either external or AUM’s built-in one) as an input to LK) routed to LK only and LK routed to the synths. The synths are getting their MIDI from LK only

    • Notes played at the onset of recording are often missed. It might be the case that they were played very slightly early, but even if that is the case, I’d suggest that LK could catch them by noticing the note off that comes in and adding a matching note on at time 0.
    • Sometimes, LK will send two copies of a note played on the keyboard (one delayed by a little). It is as if the note gets added to the sequence and the recorded note is being played back in addition to having been streamed through. I can’t reproduce it at will but it happens at least a few times per session. I have record quantization off.
  • @espiegel123 said:
    @sinosoidal : the MIDI learn is great. It makes LK much more usable for me.

    There are a couple of things that I have noticed when recording with LK. This is in AUM with my keyboard (either external or AUM’s built-in one) as an input to LK) routed to LK only and LK routed to the synths. The synths are getting their MIDI from LK only

    • Notes played at the onset of recording are often missed. It might be the case that they were played very slightly early, but even if that is the case, I’d suggest that LK could catch them by noticing the note off that comes in and adding a matching note on at time 0.
    • Sometimes, LK will send two copies of a note played on the keyboard (one delayed by a little). It is as if the note gets added to the sequence and the recorded note is being played back in addition to having been streamed through. I can’t reproduce it at will but it happens at least a few times per session. I have record quantization off.

    There are definitely some tricky issues to resolve.

  • We have just uploaded a new build (191) that has a new panel under the menu to enable/disable dedicated controllers integration. This can be useful to allow the usage of a certain controller without being dedicated, via midi learn.

  • edited January 2021

    Ok tried LK out with my LP Pro Mk 3. There seems to be bad latency between hitting a note and recording a note via midi capture that was working and now isn’t. Also the latest build has brought in a time limit on matrix which is annoying for beta. I’m just not finding this app intuitive. When you press a button on hardware you expect it to do as the label say but that’s not the case half the time and I spent more time setting this app up rather than sequencing. Clip launching especially seems hit or miss. Not knowing what control are mapped or not on hardware feel like I’m diving in the dark. Overall I’m finding this app trips over itself with the amount of options available it’s just not enjoyable to use.

  • wimwim
    edited January 2021

    ^ perfect example of how not to act as a beta tester.

  • Hi @sinosoidal
    I find it very difficult to use the piano roll actions from the properties panel. Icons would be more suitable than text, scrolling to the right tab in the accordeon, switching on and off the other tabs is painfull.
    Some settings are fine in the properties panel but i am wondering if note tools could not find a better place, so i made a little sketch.
    It means that the timeline has to go somewhere else, maybe a thinner one between the action icons and the roll?
    A contextual menu like Andrew Huang did in Flip app may be even better to manipulate notes.
    If i can help…

  • Pleaaaase make this wonderful piece of software available on macOS!!

  • edited January 2021

    @sinosoidal said:
    How many of you use Live mode when using LK as AUv3? We are considering removing this ability when using LK as AUv3. We would like to hear your thoughts. :blush:

    I dont use it, so no loss for me.

    @espiegel123 said:

    Sometimes, LK will send two copies of a note played on the keyboard (one delayed by a little). It is as if the note gets added to the sequence and the recorded note is being played back in addition to having been streamed through. I can’t reproduce it at will but it happens at least a few times per session. I have record quantization off.

    Having that too, for me seems to happen when playing with low velocity.

    Also had some problems when recording with the chorder from LP mk3 pro. Sometimes it has a latency, so the chords come a little late and some sound longer than they should. Once a note got stuck and once i had a crash when recording chords from the chorder. But i cant always reproduce it.

    I tried the new lp mk3 pro integration:
    Cliplauncher works fine. There is just one thing, when a clip is selected and the sequencer isnt playing it doesnt light up, as soon as i hit play it lights up.
    The other functions Clear, quantise, record, etc. work fine. Duplicate and pan dont work. The volume faders work but there is no fade in when touching with low velocity.

    Thanks for your great work, its nice to see how fast LK evolves

  • @White Thanks for the export midi tip. It is not quite as convenient as copying a buffer but it does the job. The "del all" is also useful as it means I do not have to stop the clip to remove the notes. Hopefully we will be able to MIDI learn the option at some point then I'll be able to do retakes without needing to touch the screen!

  • To trigger a clip in LK from a clip in the same instance on a different track I have the AU listen to its own output so it receives the trigger note. This triggers the clip as expected but is this the correct way to do this? It feels like I may be missing some internal routing way of triggering one clip from another on a different track rather than going out of the AU and back in as I am doing.

  • @Jumpercollins said:
    Ok tried LK out with my LP Pro Mk 3. There seems to be bad latency between hitting a note and recording a note via midi capture that was working and now isn’t.

    We had that issue with build 190. Ensure that you are running build 191. Check TestFlight app to see if there is an update to build 191.

    Also the latest build has brought in a time limit on matrix which is annoying for beta.

    The time limit has always been there since it's inception 5 years ago. Just go to menu->store and unlock the desired module on the standalone.

    I’m just not finding this app intuitive. When you press a button on hardware you expect it to do as the label say but that’s not the case half the time and I spent more time setting this app up rather than sequencing. Clip launching especially seems hit or miss. Not knowing what control are mapped or not on hardware feel like I’m diving in the dark. Overall I’m finding this app trips over itself with the amount of options available it’s just not enjoyable to use.

    We are not here to waste anyone's time. If you don't want to receive anymore betas just let me know your email address and I will remove you from the beta list :blush:

  • @Punct said:
    Hi @sinosoidal
    I find it very difficult to use the piano roll actions from the properties panel. Icons would be more suitable than text, scrolling to the right tab in the accordeon, switching on and off the other tabs is painfull.
    Some settings are fine in the properties panel but i am wondering if note tools could not find a better place, so i made a little sketch.
    It means that the timeline has to go somewhere else, maybe a thinner one between the action icons and the roll?
    A contextual menu like Andrew Huang did in Flip app may be even better to manipulate notes.
    If i can help…

    You are not alone. We will see what we can do in future releases. :blush:

  • @Punct said:
    Hi @sinosoidal
    I find it very difficult to use the piano roll actions from the properties panel. Icons would be more suitable than text, scrolling to the right tab in the accordeon, switching on and off the other tabs is painfull.
    Some settings are fine in the properties panel but i am wondering if note tools could not find a better place, so i made a little sketch.
    It means that the timeline has to go somewhere else, maybe a thinner one between the action icons and the roll?
    A contextual menu like Andrew Huang did in Flip app may be even better to manipulate notes.
    If i can help…

    I agree that note tools text is one of the examples, where icons would be actually more suitable than e.g. in the bottom bar where “M” in circle or MIDI port buttons are not so intuitive (which is not a big issue, it can be learned and this is not an app for toddlers ;) ).
    With note tools, text descriptions are actually a bit slowing down the workflow as you need to actually read the description, instead of using sort of muscle memory where icons help a lot.

    If I may suggest: I would really love just simple 4 arrows like on keyboard: up/down (currently transpose +- 1), left/right (currently time shift: left/right). I believe it’s pretty obvious in context of note tools. For tranpose +- 1 octave, a double arrows, e.g like these: ⏫⏬ should be also pretty understandable. I bet I have seen it like this in some DAW with touch interface, just can’t find now on iOS as I went through DAWs, maybe it was Bitwig studio...?

    Also, I’d probably just separate the actions that are universal: Select all, Deselect all, Delete all, and those related to notes selection and maybe on top of the group of actions put a label that changes between:
    1. “All notes:” (when no note is selected)
    2. “10 notes:” (in case of having a note selection)

    Then it’d be clear what is applied to all notes and what only to a selection and buttons that are not related to selection at all would be separated.

  • @mrvenceslas said:
    Pleaaaase make this wonderful piece of software available on macOS!!

    There is so much great software for music production in iOS. LK is just a controller app. How would you use it on mac OS?

  • @MisplacedDevelopment said:
    To trigger a clip in LK from a clip in the same instance on a different track I have the AU listen to its own output so it receives the trigger note. This triggers the clip as expected but is this the correct way to do this? It feels like I may be missing some internal routing way of triggering one clip from another on a different track rather than going out of the AU and back in as I am doing.

    Can you explain why do you want to trigger a clip with a clip in a different track? Seems far-fetched.

  • @skrat said:

    @Punct said:
    Hi @sinosoidal
    I find it very difficult to use the piano roll actions from the properties panel. Icons would be more suitable than text, scrolling to the right tab in the accordeon, switching on and off the other tabs is painfull.
    Some settings are fine in the properties panel but i am wondering if note tools could not find a better place, so i made a little sketch.
    It means that the timeline has to go somewhere else, maybe a thinner one between the action icons and the roll?
    A contextual menu like Andrew Huang did in Flip app may be even better to manipulate notes.
    If i can help…

    I agree that note tools text is one of the examples, where icons would be actually more suitable than e.g. in the bottom bar where “M” in circle or MIDI port buttons are not so intuitive (which is not a big issue, it can be learned and this is not an app for toddlers ;) ).
    With note tools, text descriptions are actually a bit slowing down the workflow as you need to actually read the description, instead of using sort of muscle memory where icons help a lot.

    If I may suggest: I would really love just simple 4 arrows like on keyboard: up/down (currently transpose +- 1), left/right (currently time shift: left/right). I believe it’s pretty obvious in context of note tools. For tranpose +- 1 octave, a double arrows, e.g like these: ⏫⏬ should be also pretty understandable. I bet I have seen it like this in some DAW with touch interface, just can’t find now on iOS as I went through DAWs, maybe it was Bitwig studio...?

    Also, I’d probably just separate the actions that are universal: Select all, Deselect all, Delete all, and those related to notes selection and maybe on top of the group of actions put a label that changes between:
    1. “All notes:” (when no note is selected)
    2. “10 notes:” (in case of having a note selection)

    Then it’d be clear what is applied to all notes and what only to a selection and buttons that are not related to selection at all would be separated.

    We definitely need an icon set. Thanks for your feedback! :blush:

  • @sinosoidal said:

    @MisplacedDevelopment said:
    To trigger a clip in LK from a clip in the same instance on a different track I have the AU listen to its own output so it receives the trigger note. This triggers the clip as expected but is this the correct way to do this? It feels like I may be missing some internal routing way of triggering one clip from another on a different track rather than going out of the AU and back in as I am doing.

    Can you explain why do you want to trigger a clip with a clip in a different track? Seems far-fetched.

    Thanks for the reply. I am new to clip launching so I may be approaching this in the wrong way but my use case is that I want to automate the starting of clips and scenes in a chosen order to make up a song. I could do this by clicking on them manually, using a controller, or using follow actions but I would like to automate the song arrangement by triggering the clips and scenes from a timeline using their assigned trigger notes.

    I could send the MIDI notes to the LK instance from another MIDI sequencer but it seems logical to have this information alongside the clips/scenes it will launch. Think of it as a kind of master controller track 80 bars long which triggers clips, and maybe even audio from other apps. This might even be a recording of me triggering the clips from an earlier live session which could then be played back.

    Again, I may have missed something in the way that people traditionally put a song together in a DAWless way, I normally use a DAW with a timeline but thought I would give this way of working a go as it lets me try different song structure options out quickly.

  • edited January 2021

    @MisplacedDevelopment said:

    @sinosoidal said:

    @MisplacedDevelopment said:
    To trigger a clip in LK from a clip in the same instance on a different track I have the AU listen to its own output so it receives the trigger note. This triggers the clip as expected but is this the correct way to do this? It feels like I may be missing some internal routing way of triggering one clip from another on a different track rather than going out of the AU and back in as I am doing.

    Can you explain why do you want to trigger a clip with a clip in a different track? Seems far-fetched.

    Thanks for the reply. I am new to clip launching so I may be approaching this in the wrong way but my use case is that I want to automate the starting of clips and scenes in a chosen order to make up a song. I could do this by clicking on them manually, using a controller, or using follow actions but I would like to automate the song arrangement by triggering the clips and scenes from a timeline using their assigned trigger notes.

    I could send the MIDI notes to the LK instance from another MIDI sequencer but it seems logical to have this information alongside the clips/scenes it will launch. Think of it as a kind of master controller track 80 bars long which triggers clips, and maybe even audio from other apps. This might even be a recording of me triggering the clips from an earlier live session which could then be played back.

    Again, I may have missed something in the way that people traditionally put a song together in a DAWless way, I normally use a DAW with a timeline but thought I would give this way of working a go as it lets me try different song structure options out quickly.

    This is pretty much the approach that atom 2 is going to take I think. You can have a timeline instance that triggers your other instances.

    I think follow actions is the best way in LK although I’m only just starting to figure this out myself. I’d be interested to know how Live users approach this.

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