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  • sigma79sigma79

    @wim said:

    @sigma79 said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @sigma79 said:
    Is there a way to create more than 8 multi outs, without having to add another Drambo with just 5 multi outs? Kind of makes the setup bad. Another sequencer overlay etc. Less screen space. Confusion.

    You can add more tracks in Drambo but theres no more ext out past 8.

    No, there is no way to add additional ‘output bus’. At least not currently :)

    Is that aum or Drambo? If Drambo upgraded would aum still only have 8?

    Shame. Iv always found a way to map controllers. Wont be possible. I kind of lose 5 euclidean tracks.

    It's the way Drambo is designed. The plugin developer decides how many outputs to provide. miRack is the only one I know of that has more than eight outputs.

    Why do you need so many audio outputs? Do you really need each and every audio output on its own channel in AUM?? Unless you're adding FX on every channel, there's little reason not to group channels into a single output.

    keyboard. If you use 2 sequencers and keyboard has to be pointed at both. Switching tracks via drambo screen would still be sending midi to another track.

  • wimwim
    edited April 2021

    @sigma79 said:

    @wim said:

    @sigma79 said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @sigma79 said:
    Is there a way to create more than 8 multi outs, without having to add another Drambo with just 5 multi outs? Kind of makes the setup bad. Another sequencer overlay etc. Less screen space. Confusion.

    You can add more tracks in Drambo but theres no more ext out past 8.

    No, there is no way to add additional ‘output bus’. At least not currently :)

    Is that aum or Drambo? If Drambo upgraded would aum still only have 8?

    Shame. Iv always found a way to map controllers. Wont be possible. I kind of lose 5 euclidean tracks.

    It's the way Drambo is designed. The plugin developer decides how many outputs to provide. miRack is the only one I know of that has more than eight outputs.

    Why do you need so many audio outputs? Do you really need each and every audio output on its own channel in AUM?? Unless you're adding FX on every channel, there's little reason not to group channels into a single output.

    keyboard. If you use 2 sequencers and keyboard has to be pointed at both. Switching tracks via drambo screen would still be sending midi to another track.

    That makes no sense to me. Multi-outs are for audio. They have nothing to do with MIDI. You can send MIDI on 16 channels even without multi-out.

    Filter out all but the midi channel you need in each AUM channel that you want to send MIDI to.

  • sigma79sigma79

    @wim said:

    @sigma79 said:

    @wim said:

    @sigma79 said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @sigma79 said:
    Is there a way to create more than 8 multi outs, without having to add another Drambo with just 5 multi outs? Kind of makes the setup bad. Another sequencer overlay etc. Less screen space. Confusion.

    You can add more tracks in Drambo but theres no more ext out past 8.

    No, there is no way to add additional ‘output bus’. At least not currently :)

    Is that aum or Drambo? If Drambo upgraded would aum still only have 8?

    Shame. Iv always found a way to map controllers. Wont be possible. I kind of lose 5 euclidean tracks.

    It's the way Drambo is designed. The plugin developer decides how many outputs to provide. miRack is the only one I know of that has more than eight outputs.

    Why do you need so many audio outputs? Do you really need each and every audio output on its own channel in AUM?? Unless you're adding FX on every channel, there's little reason not to group channels into a single output.

    keyboard. If you use 2 sequencers and keyboard has to be pointed at both. Switching tracks via drambo screen would still be sending midi to another track.

    That makes no sense to me. Multi-outs are for audio. They have nothing to do with MIDI.

    You decided I dont need multi out lol. Drambo effects are good but multi out gives you effects apps. Stems in aum. Midi mixer for vols and solos. If I keep multi out and use a second sequencer for the same external keyboard. Switching tracks on a drambo sequencer wont switch tracks on the other sequencer. A midi issue because of lack of multi out.

  • sigma79sigma79

    But you are right. I think you can add tracks in drambo ( just not more multi out ) This would fix the midi issue via keyboard.

  • wimwim
    edited April 2021

    @sigma79 said:
    You decided I dont need multi out lol. Drambo effects are good but multi out gives you effects apps. Stems in aum. Midi mixer for vols and solos. If I keep multi out and use a second sequencer for the same external keyboard. Switching tracks on a drambo sequencer wont switch tracks on the other sequencer. A midi issue because of lack of multi out.

    I didn't say that you don't need multi out. I said I don't understand why you need it based on the reasons you stated. Screw it. I was just trying to help :). Shoulda known better 'cause I almost never understand what the heck you're talking about. :D

    Carry on! I'll leave you to it. B) ✌🏼❤️

  • sigma79sigma79

    @wim said:

    @sigma79 said:
    You decided I dont need multi out lol. Drambo effects are good but multi out gives you effects apps. Stems in aum. Midi mixer for vols and solos. If I keep multi out and use a second sequencer for the same external keyboard. Switching tracks on a drambo sequencer wont switch tracks on the other sequencer. A midi issue because of lack of multi out.

    I didn't say that you don't need multi out. I said I don't understand why you need it based on the reasons you stated. Screw it. I was trying to help. Shoulda known better 'cause I almost never understand what the heck you're talking about. :D

    Carry on! I'll leave you to it. B) ✌🏼❤️

    Thanks wim. Just think multi out would be better for stems in aum. Effects and maybe the implentation of midi mixer. It would effectivly mute drambo patterns, which could still be edited around the midi mixer solos and volumes. Otherwise its trying to work out what pattern to mute in drambo, when you performed in aum. This is mainly a live track though and I do see the negatives in trying to perform track live but thought I were onto a live and editable setup. The keyboard thing to both sequencers would still be sending midi and hearing audio when switching tracks. If I believe I have found a remedy its mapping another midi controller so that when switching tracks there. It will also switch to an empty track on the other sequencer. Assuming Drambo can recieve midi on multiple drambos. Most of my bs is just theory anyway. I just think how to map everything and it ends up ipad will freeze sometimes anyway.

  • wimwim
    edited April 2021

    @sigma79 said:
    Thanks wim. Just think multi out would be better for stems in aum.

    That makes sense if you really need your stems broken down to that level. I rarely want individual stems for every kick, hat, snare, etc. But I can see how one would want that for serious mixing in a DAW.

  • sigma79sigma79

    @wim said:

    @sigma79 said:
    Thanks wim. Just think multi out would be better for stems in aum.

    That makes sense.

    Cool wim. Think I will see if I can map midi from a controller so that a track switch also switches to a blank track in other sequencer.

    Thanks.

  • sigma79sigma79
    edited April 2021

    @wim said:

    @sigma79 said:
    Thanks wim. Just think multi out would be better for stems in aum.

    That makes sense if you really need your stems broken down to that level. I rarely want individual stems for every kick, hat, snare, etc. But I can see how one would want that for serious mixing in a DAW.

    Think also. If midi mixer is ideal. Then I keep composition of aum, without needing to edit drambo patterns but can still maybe edit p-locks. This is with euclidean sequencer though. Still unsure about euclidean. Not every track will be euclidean and its more techno-y than not, when just tweaking live but some patterns are good.

  • xorxor
    edited April 2021

    @sigma79 said:

    @xor said:

    @xor said:

    @sigma79 said:

    @xor said:

    @sigma79 said:
    Dosent work even on same track, with euclidean notes to trigger zones on drum computer. This is also without midi.

    Is this what you’re trying to do?

    No xor. Multi out Drum computer.

    Thanks

    You’re adjusting the sequencer of the muted channel, what do you expect to happen?

    What about Drambo and multi-out DrumComputer are you attempting that this doesn’t show?

    What do you mean xor. Just sequence drum computer multiout. Turn down a channel then tweak that channel. It will effect other channel.

    Thanks, I wasn’t understanding what you were trying to point out. I don’t think it has anything to do with tweaking knobs although that might force the problem. It also has nothing to do with the channel volume, that just makes it easier to hear. I also ran this in single-out(?) mode and it still exhibits the same issue.

    I have an AUM session that triggers that behavior all by itself. It starts glitching at about 0:30.

    Here’s a screenshot of a midi monitor capture right after a double-hit on the B0 (note 35). Notice that there’s only one B0 between the two B4s (note 83). The A1s (note 45) are on the silent channel.

    Here’s a link to the AUM project if a you want to send it on to SB as an example: https://www.dropbox.com/s/d70fo1pcbipif2x/DramboDCGlitches.aumproj?dl=0

  • sigma79sigma79

    @xor said:

    @sigma79 said:

    @xor said:

    @xor said:

    @sigma79 said:

    @xor said:

    @sigma79 said:
    Dosent work even on same track, with euclidean notes to trigger zones on drum computer. This is also without midi.

    Is this what you’re trying to do?

    No xor. Multi out Drum computer.

    Thanks

    You’re adjusting the sequencer of the muted channel, what do you expect to happen?

    What about Drambo and multi-out DrumComputer are you attempting that this doesn’t show?

    What do you mean xor. Just sequence drum computer multiout. Turn down a channel then tweak that channel. It will effect other channel.

    Thanks, I wasn’t understanding what you were trying to point out. I don’t think it has anything to do with tweaking knobs although that might force the problem. It also has nothing to do with the channel volume, that just makes it easier to hear. I also ran this in single-out(?) mode and it still exhibits the same issue.

    I have an AUM session that triggers that behavior all by itself. It starts glitching at about 0:30.

    Here’s a screenshot of a midi monitor capture right after a double-hit on the B0 (note 35). Notice that there’s only one B0 between the two B4s (note 83). The A1s (note 45) are on the silent channel.

    Here’s a link to the AUM project if a you want to send it on to SB as an example: https://www.dropbox.com/s/d70fo1pcbipif2x/DramboDCGlitches.aumproj?dl=0

    Good work xor. Will see if SB thinks theres a problem or fixable problem.

    Thanks

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited April 2021

    iPad powered on, Drambo started, Powered interface connected to USB-C hub, connecting and checking how many outputs available at tracks??? 4

    So I start in background AUM and check - also 4 outs! :)

    Closed both apps, without restart again run AUM and I see 24 outs available.
    So Drambo under AUM use 8 stereo buses, and standalone.... I hope one day 24 outs.
    yes, I can use second instance in AUM and have more channels, but there is no standalone multichannel with Auv3 inside Drambo.
    edit: Drambo standalone show 44.1kHz (even if my interface is locked at 48kHz),
    sound dropz, after changing setting Drambo on 48kHz sound is good.
    Maybe..... during initialization Drambo not recognize possible modes, and use 44kHz and 4 outs on my interface.

    I meet similar behavior on for example AUDIOBUS3 and Zenbeat.
    Differently, some apps show all 24 in and outs of rme oceanic xtc , and some apps like Drambo now show only 24 in and 4 outs. Please give me my rest 20 out channels ;)

    edit2: started AUM ---> 24 outs from interface
    Starting Drambo as separate app, available outs in AUM drop to 4.

  • FingolfinzzFingolfinzz

    If you had a big sample library with a lot of instruments(not many multi sampled) and also use Drambo a ton, would you rather store them in Drambo or something like AudioLayer? Cos I’m about to spend probably the next 24 hours doing that and can’t commit to something yet

  • FingolfinzzFingolfinzz

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @Fingolfinzz said:
    If you had a big sample library with a lot of instruments(not many multi sampled) and also use Drambo a ton, would you rather store them in Drambo or something like AudioLayer? Cos I’m about to spend probably the next 24 hours doing that and can’t commit to something yet

    I would definitely let the host to build its library, using its optimised samplers, so generally Drambo.
    On the other hand Drambo atm only allows access to its file system through WebDAV, which isn’t ideal for some use cases. This will change at some point, so I’m personally putting off library cleanup until it’s accessible from Files app.

    The WebDAV part has been a bit of a drag for sure but if Files access is on the roadmap, I may as well just fill up Drambo. That’s a relief though cos AudioLayer can be a headache and a half for me

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    xtc locked on 44,1kHz
    Drambo show still only 4 out channels.
    Attached gif shows similar action:

    Run AUM and checking : 24 outs
    Close AUM and run D standalone
    Chcecking how many outs ? still 4
    Close Drambo again run AUM: 24 outs

    Yes, Im registered on beep-street forum. Thank you!

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    Does it come up with only 4 out, whether your interface set to 44.1 or 48k?

    F.e
    1) launch D (without interface) and make sure in settings that 48k selected
    2) power on XTC (unattached) and make sure it’s LOCKed @48k as well
    3) attach interface

    Could you please try if it fails for both 44.1 and 48k.
    Also, make sure Background audio is ‘on’. So, switching apps, escaping D doesn’t ‘release’ the interface.
    Please consider coming over to beepstreet forum to keep this thread free of ‘noise’ and to get better attention from the man :)

  • sigma79sigma79

    If I bought a 2nd ipad so I could monitor drums and samples. Then I think Id just need a mixer ( ideally split cue ) but could use speakers.

    I think you would need a song mode preset switch for drums and samples.

    Then if you were going to add track length via a midi knob. Where left shortens track. Could be wise to add a feature to that where activated can use same midi knob to wipe sequence. Left wipes sequence.

    Thats if finding a few synths with most range for live. You can switch presets without spiking cpu, I think.

  • Frank303Frank303

    @0tolerance4silence
    I’m not sure about AudioLayer, but importing samples in Drambo from my iPad Files app doesn’t duplicate files. I have my samples in AudioShare and Drambo and that doesn’t multiply the storage used.

  • sigma79sigma79

    Where are the samples when saved sampled via drambo and saved in drambo.

    Cloud?

  • rs2000rs2000

    @sigma79 said:
    Where are the samples when saved sampled via drambo and saved in drambo.

    Cloud?

    No, always locally, cloud would be much too slow.
    You can access all files using a WebDAV client like Readdle Documents (I've given a setup guide on another thread here)

  • sigma79sigma79

    @rs2000 said:

    @sigma79 said:
    Where are the samples when saved sampled via drambo and saved in drambo.

    Cloud?

    No, always locally, cloud would be much too slow.
    You can access all files using a WebDAV client like Readdle Documents (I've given a setup guide on another thread here)

    Thanks rs2000. Found different folders but saved local.

    Just made a mad Euclidean drum setup but didnt realise how much the sequencer clashes with another sound or ignored the fact. Would be cool if you could expand grid to edit. Unless of course the sequencer itself has all combinations via different settings.

  • GravitasGravitas

    @sigma79

    Here’s an article that explains ,’Euclidean sequencers’, and why they are designed the way they are.

    https://www.musicradar.com/how-to/what-is-euclidean-sequencing-and-how-do-you-use-it

  • sigma79sigma79

    @Gravitas said:
    @sigma79

    Here’s an article that explains ,’Euclidean sequencers’, and why they are designed the way they are.

    https://www.musicradar.com/how-to/what-is-euclidean-sequencing-and-how-do-you-use-it

    Thanks Grav.

  • sigma79sigma79

    12 track euclidean drums. 60 knobs. 12 spare for effects. Just sampled apps quick to test. Tbh if I were listening. Id say you gotta chill mate. A bit OTT tbh.

  • sigma79sigma79
    edited April 2021

    I will make a better vid to see if it can be better. Transposing every sample via key sounds a bit happy hardcore-ish. Think its better to slow down and have a few tracks fast. Could do with a bit of swing. I think the extra tracks would be for samples but maybe on sequencer and selected so theres a mix. Waste of tracks maybe because Iv only got 4 synths. More without making vol and solos, even more complicated.

  • mbncpmbncp

    Is there an easy way to Solo the Active Track, with a single external controller ?
    Mute+Track Selection, in one "click" (single external CC)

  • xraydashxraydash

    @Gravitas said:
    @sigma79

    Here’s an article that explains ,’Euclidean sequencers’, and why they are designed the way they are.

    https://www.musicradar.com/how-to/what-is-euclidean-sequencing-and-how-do-you-use-it

    How would you resync the Euclidean sequencers after so many bars as described in this article? I played around with the counter and retrigger modules, but this is beyond my grasp.

  • GravitasGravitas

    @xraydash said:

    @Gravitas said:
    @sigma79

    Here’s an article that explains ,’Euclidean sequencers’, and why they are designed the way they are.

    https://www.musicradar.com/how-to/what-is-euclidean-sequencing-and-how-do-you-use-it

    How would you resync the Euclidean sequencers after so many bars as described in this article? I played around with the counter and retrigger modules, but this is beyond my grasp.

    Good question.
    Interestingly enough I don’t know as yet.
    Pressing stop and then start again will ruin a flow.
    I’m going to try a couple of ideas.
    If I don’t reply straight away?
    It’s because I haven’t found the answer yet or someone else is figuring out the answer for us.

  • xraydashxraydash

    @Gravitas said:

    @xraydash said:

    @Gravitas said:
    @sigma79

    Here’s an article that explains ,’Euclidean sequencers’, and why they are designed the way they are.

    https://www.musicradar.com/how-to/what-is-euclidean-sequencing-and-how-do-you-use-it

    How would you resync the Euclidean sequencers after so many bars as described in this article? I played around with the counter and retrigger modules, but this is beyond my grasp.

    Good question.
    Interestingly enough I don’t know as yet.
    Pressing stop and then start again will ruin a flow.
    I’m going to try a couple of ideas.
    If I don’t reply straight away?
    It’s because I haven’t found the answer yet or someone else is figuring out the answer for us.

    Thanks for taking a stab at it. I’ll keep trying too. There’s likely more than one solution!

  • FingolfinzzFingolfinzz

    @mbncp said:
    Is there an easy way to Solo the Active Track, with a single external controller ?
    Mute+Track Selection, in one "click" (single external CC)

    There are solo buttons on the main track that you can midi learn, I just learn my solo buttons on my nanokontrol to each solo button on the tracks

  • GravitasGravitas
    edited April 2021

    @xraydash said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @xraydash said:

    @Gravitas said:
    @sigma79

    Here’s an article that explains ,’Euclidean sequencers’, and why they are designed the way they are.

    https://www.musicradar.com/how-to/what-is-euclidean-sequencing-and-how-do-you-use-it

    How would you resync the Euclidean sequencers after so many bars as described in this article? I played around with the counter and retrigger modules, but this is beyond my grasp.

    Good question.
    Interestingly enough I don’t know as yet.
    Pressing stop and then start again will ruin a flow.
    I’m going to try a couple of ideas.
    If I don’t reply straight away?
    It’s because I haven’t found the answer yet or someone else is figuring out the answer for us.

    Thanks for taking a stab at it. I’ll keep trying too. There’s likely more than one solution!

    No problem.

    There’s a patch up on patchstorage called Loop Launcher v1
    Here’s the link.

    https://patchstorage.com/loop-launcher-v1/

    I was thinking to adapt it to retrigger the Euclidean sequencer somehow.
    I had adapted it to trigger the cv sequencer instead so that the cv sequencers
    could be launched and stopped in time with the overall track time.
    I’m wondering if this could also be adapted to trigger or retrigger the Euclidean sequencer as well.
    Good food for thought.

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