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Here's a bit of feedback regarding the SOTMC. My entry for this month was my fifth go and it seems to have gone done the best of all.
My other tracks were criticised for being structureless, too mad etc. Rather than respond to specific criticisms, I took an overall critique on the chin and tried to make this months effort more coherent.
So, even an old dog can learn some new tricks !
yeah, sorry about the huge leap in volume. That was due to me not really having a quick way to give that section a quick fade in. Maybe I should have spent a bit longer fixing that and the hastily added fadeout in AudioShare. Time constraints and all that..
Glad you found it inspiring though, that really is the best compliment I could ask for.
And yeah it is all SunVox, just output to wav, trimmed and uploaded using AudioShare. All done on the iPhone. I can't recommend SunVox highly enough but I won't lie, it's not particularly hard to understand but it does take a long time to change how you work and get it's slightly unique concepts.
So, even an old dog can learn some new tricks !
As long as that process is valuable to you then that's great. One thing I am very much aware of when offering critiques is that I can only offer my own personal interpretation, but I really don't want to to stifle creativity and encourage some kind of conformism where over time the whole group starts to sound homogeneous, where the SOTMC club becomes a form of groupthink. That's why it's really important to have diverse voices on here, and also a range of people offering critiques that cover a wide variety of tastes.
But the flipside of this is that a fundamental aspect of creating art is the need to communicate - which is why having honest critiques (and not just back-slapping "well done" responses) is also important. Seeing people's reactions can help determine if the artistic goals are being achieved. How people react to criticism is up to them, if anyone feels the criticism isn't helping them achieve their goals they should ignore it. I try and take the view that all data is good, and I let it influence me if I feel it can help me to communicate my intent better. And obviously technical crits are always useful.
Personally I definitely feel that your latest track is "better" as a result of having a more rigid structure, simply because it's easier to listen to more than once. The problem with unstructured music (for me, monzo would disagree of course and that's cool) is that it doesn't really bear repeated listens, whereas a track with structure is easier to get into and listen to several times, I have no idea why but it's an interesting conundrum. On the other hand your less structured tracks are full of melodic and rhythmic invention, so there is surely a rich seam to mine somewhere between the two extremes.
I don't think I have ever been described as Easy Listening, maybe I should try that one month.. It's funny, I wonder whether the musician becomes somewhat desensitized to the piece they are working on? I heard Brian Eno on the radio, saying how his early experimental work with Roxy Music had people aghast, but because he was working non-stop on it, it seemed really normal, pedestrian even, at the time. I will see if I get the same feelings as the you and the other comments when I go back and listen to it in a few months.
Either a dream come true or a nightmare. Tantalizing thought though..
No it's fine, it all adds to the experience
I was listening through some of your other tracks this morning, and I'm definitely moving towards getting SunVox - it's under a fiver after all. I don't think I'd have the courage and perseverance you have to create finished tracks in it, but I could definitely see myself making and exporting chunks of madness from it.
@Jocphone Trance-gate is also a new term to me & as you're the first exponent to pleasure these ears.......Thanks. I like the start which sounds like a squadron of rumbling Lancaster bombers under flak attack. The dark bass in at 1.32 is both eerie & gorgeous & I could have listened to more of that.
Lots of jaggedy, scrumptious sounds all the way through your song which kept me interested & surprised in a good way. I'd like to hear more (of this genre & with your stamp on it) to hear where the journey could take you. I look forward to it.
Very good.
Seeing people's reactions can help determine if the artistic goals are being achieved.
This is spot on. There are some more negative responses that I welcome because they confirm my own estimate that aspects of a certain piece aren't for everyone (if my mum had loved the Pistols I would have thought they were doing something wrong
, but there's also the nagging voice of honesty that comes through/confirms when the critique hits home to what one self-indulgently suspects, but still need to address etc.
Still, I don't want to be accused of damaging anyone's hearing.
If you do decide to get it, don't hesitate to ask questions. I am happy to help you on your way with it if I can. I'm no expert and have masses still to learn but there's gold in them thar hills. Plus, it works with AudioBus, as instrument or effect so you could start by making something simple like a gating effect.
Thanks - would definitely need a few tips! Just had an other go on the PC demo, which put me off a bit - nothing to do with the app itself, just the way it was browsing files on the PC, but then watched a few YouTube clips and my interest has been piqued again. I'll watch a few more vids before jumping in...
Problem with the PC demo is there aren't many examples, hopefully the iOS version has more examples to start playing with.
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Yes, I agree with this. Saying that, it takes someone who is very sure of their goals to ignore it completely !
I find giving good feedback as hard as creating a decent track, so I tend to keep things short unless it's something I know about, or really like. The only constructive criticisms I'll make are usually technical, rather than comments based on taste or genre. Pointless me commenting emotively on a rap track, for example, as the genre leaves me cold, and I know bugger all about it. But I'll still commend them on the quality of recording. Think of something positive to say if you can, as creative types will remember the critical comments longer than any praise.
What do you mean? We're not delicate little flowers with the self-confidence of torched cellophane and the outlook of any existential French poet two minutes after death?
@Jocophone & @richardyot & @monzo thanks for the feedback.
@rkmonkey hey man,cool song! lovely piano and bass mate.The drums were mostly good but for me a little weird at the beginning.Nice simple but effective lyrics:) some of the sung parts were a little off time in places but that can usually be fixed in the mix.( I always have to do this at some point on my stuff.) yes I agree with the others the vocal needs lifting a bit.
Overall a nice tune it just needs tightening up a little bit in the mix mate.You have all the right elements and it's great u posted it (i maybe wrong but I sensed that with this and "Bitter stamp" u kind of post reluctantly?) well don't mate!!:) keep 'em coming dude! If you are interested I found that "therecordingrevolution.com" has tons of free stuff on how to improve our mixes.
Ps.which preset in synthmaster was the orgasm???:D
Thanks man. Was not my best effort. Not a very good month for me. I made backing track using some old midi files after a comment about Meg Ryan by JGY. Wrote and sang into ear bud mic on Saturday to submit.
Didn't get much love in return. Sorry Meg.
Thanks for the link
@jocphone thanks for your comments mate and for listening to my stuff even if it doesn't fly your kite.I make no secret of the fact that I love writing songs and singing.All the music stuff is really quite difficult and time consuming for me and if I can take a shortcut I will,I simply do it cos I have to for the song to work..Dont get me wrong though I do enjoy instrumental stuff but I don't really have the patience or the desire to learn how to make it properly like a lot of you folks do so well.thanks for your compliment on my singing though mate.
Now onto your track.How the hell did you come up with that title man?? Bonkers! That's what that is!:D You and @monzo are great at these sound mangling tracks.i have no idea what you do?? The idea of using a preset must be nails on a chalkboard to u guys huh? Look, it's not my cup of tea but it's definitely original and ticks a lot of people's boxes.I do like the bass that comes in mate and the whole thing made me think of Halloween.
I can't remember if it was u or Monzo who was saying that they have or do make more...um..accessible music to a melody lover like me? I'd love to hear some of that some time.You know I don't mean any offence by that,bottom line is its all about having fun right?? I know I've had a great time trying to improve my songwriting each month and you obviously enjoy what you do aswell:D
@rkmonkey well kudos to you for getting the song written so quick mate.Im sorry you've had a bad month.Just keep these songs coming mate! I still catch myself screaming "Bitter stamp" in my head sometimes:D
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy listening to your submissions. You are much more of a musician than you give yourself credit for. The way you put vocal melodies together and the way you articulate them really excites my ear. I do understand where you are coming from about how you generate the music and you do a great job with the tools you choose. You put together really nice chord sequences but the lack of dynamics over the length of the songs gives it a slightly artificial feel.
I've heard it said a few times on the forum here, that people don't listen to the music if there is a vocal line. I don't think this is true. The two should work together, or sometimes against each other to create an extraordinary experience for the listener.
I will let @monzo explain for himself what he does, but I explore. Inspiration comes from all sorts of directions, conversations I've had or heard, sounds that grab me as I travel about, sometimes just from the simple joy of tweaking a sound and often just from playing an instrument without thinking too hard about it. I don't dislike presets and will happily spend hours making up tunes with one if it reveals it's possibilities but I do enjoy making things for myself.
We have probably both created all sorts of varieties of music. I do have some songs that I play on my guitar (and sing to) but haven't worked out how or if I want them to be recorded yet.
And yes, there is no offence taken. I don't believe any was intended and am always deeply grateful when someone takes the time to listen and comment.
And don't let my comments about the music put you off doing what you do. I would rather hear your singing on top of session band tracks (if that is what you use) than not at all. I've said it before but it's worth repeating "by any means necessary"
I have no idea whether what I did appeases the trance gods or borders on blasphemy so I wouldn't take it as an example of anything other than my own mucking about. If it pleased at least one of your senses somehow that is good enough for me. Love your description of the intro.
Thanks for the encouraging comments. If there is a genre for this, I've yet to hear it's name
That's why I love this thread - not only does it push me into creating something listenable each month, but also makes me think about why I do this stuff.
To answer @lostboy85 - a lot of the reasons I'm doing what I do match what @jocphone has said, but it's also partly device related. For me the iPad lends itself to experimentation and exploration thanks to some wonderfully creative apps, whereas my desktop or band music is more melodic, and structured. Comparatively.
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Originally I set up a few Soundcloud accounts for the pure joy of noise-making, however this thread, and an increasing number of followers on SC, has encouraged me to make my iPad SOTM stuff a bit more user-friendly. Going through some abandoned Auria projects last night, I discovered I've tried quite a few times to come up with more 'normal' songs for the thread, but lost interest half way through.
Never say never though, even though I just have, twice.
I do actually listen to a lot of melodic music - it's not all Nurse With Wound here, but when it comes to making stuff, for me, experimenting's a lot more fun.
I think the best thing you could ever do is to learn to play an instrument - it would open everything up for you. I can understand you might feel some resistance to this idea, after all you're a singer and really you just want to sing, so the thought of spending some considerable time doing something that's not singing looks like an unappealing chore, but believe me the opportunities it would open up in terms of songwriting would pay you back that time ten times over.
If I can learn to sing in my mid-forties, you can easily learn the rudiments of piano, and you're at least a decade younger than I am. Beyonce started learning the guitar in her thirties, so she could write better songs. You don't need to be a great musician to write songs: playing skillfully has practically nothing to do with writing well IMO, they're very different skills.
You could pick up the rudiments of piano in a matter of weeks if you put your mind to it, all you need is the ability to string a few chords together and you will see that magic happens: the magic is that you sit down and play the instrument and stuff happens, almost by itself, you noodle around and before you know it bits of songs start to emerge.
It's really easy to learn stuff these days, you just go on YouTube and there's loads of videos where people show you how to play your favourite songs on guitar or piano. Learn to play basic versions of 5 to 10 songs and you will know enough to start writing your own. Learn a little bit of music theory and you will know enough to structure songs (I think that stuff you already understand anyway).
When I decided to learn some basic piano I was able to learn "Imagine" in about 15 minutes, having never really played piano before, it's just not difficult. I then moved on to "Let It Be", and the intro to "Strawberry Fields", it's really basic stuff but it's enough.
And the great thing about this is that once you know a little bit about playing a real instrument, everything you do on the iPad will become easier and make more sense.
Thanks mate, been busy and spending time with my girlfriend
Not very talkative these days me but I am working on a very different kind of track but with my signature bass for sure
@monzo,@Richardyot,@Jocphone
Thanks a lot guys for your comments.Its great to hear how people work and what inspires them.Monzo said that he makes his music for the pure joy of it,& I think that nails what it's all about:)
I was raised on pop and generally a lot of stuff that some of u guys would cringe at (yes,& soft rock) where a lot of times the song WAS the vocal.So that is always my focus,I see myself primarily as a hobbyist songwriter.The melody,lyrics and the vocal are most important to me and that's where I get my joy and what I'm constantly trying to improve.
However that being said I totally agree that the musics super important aswell.I suppose it's just about what you're trying to communicate to the listener.
Richard, everything u say is right &,I do play a little piano and the ukelele but for me the iPad is perfect for my purposes.I get a melody in my head and then il go to chordbot and hum the note until (by ear) I find the chord I'm looking for,then I try to find a slightly sexier version of said chord if available.This is generally how I will construct my songs around the melody.kinda like a musician just strums chords endlessly until something sticks. However the one song where for me I really put a lot of effort into the music (phantom love) I figured that melody out while playing the keyboard ( a three chord extravaganza if u will!:) so I know I can do it but it's a time thing I guess.
Now look,I know my stuffs a little/lot rough around the edges but that's cool,this is just a hobby that I love.im not trying to go anywhere with this stuff.i do like to fantasise that I'm a bit younger and could have been good enough to live in a townhouse in Nashville working 9-5 just writing songs!:) but hey I'm having a great time with u dudes and it's just nice to have some willing listeners who aren't the same 4 people who I always played my songs to over the years! And I'm sure they're glad of the break aswell!!:D
Not trying to spam the board but thought I'd repost here since you guys already invested 5 minutes in it. I just released an EP with this months entry. There is the thread here with some more info on how I made it. People seemed to enjoy my couple of tracks so if anybody wants to download it let me know, you guys definitely don't have to pay! I will send you the Dropbox or something.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/10730/new-ios-mac-hybrid-ep-with-sotmc-track#latest
-Bryan
@rkmonkey what apps did you use for the midi files? In really liking the bass and the drums on this. Your vocals are great! I feel like I am listening to some sort of Tom Waites b-side. As for what@richardyot said, the drums could been mixed a little better, but it seemed kind of like a junkyard band song. That's a compliment.
@jocphone Thanks for the feedback on my track. I really appreciate it. As for your track, I loved it. Great title, well mixed glitch. Loved the noise, and the transition at 1 min. Your stuff is really unique, challenging, and interesting. Keep doing your thing.
Thanks @Jocphone appreciate you listening & commenting on my track. Thanks for the drum compliments & as a first track, overall, I was happyish with it. I need to work on the "tune" side of things & was just trying to do so now on my next track. However, my ipad4 power issues are getting in the way. It keeps dropping various hihat, cymbal & snare hits throughout the new song I was recording into Cubasis. Grinding halt & frustration indeed!
Thanks again.
Here goes on my remaining feedback. Sorry for the lateness.
Thanks everyone, for you comments on my tracks. Most appreciated.
Also - i'm gonna be a bit critical of a few tracks this month - hope you take it in the spirit it's meant... i.e. just and honest personal reaction...
@LostBoy85 - In The Moment:
I think this is one of your best tracks. It's a very simple rack, and ok, the lyrics are maybe a little cheesy about the dog, but if you accept that then the structure of the song and particularly the unusual meter of the hook line make it really good. It has a total 'classic' feel. Very impressive.
@touchconspiracy - subterrainian-2011-unmastered
Afraid if i'm honest I wasn't really feel this one, dude... It feels so striped back and very much like the same loop for long sections. I guess it's minimalist but it wasn't really for me. Nice production as always - some great sounds.. But it feels like it's not developed fully to me.
@Bluepunk - Only One Man
Gotta love this... Proper attitude... Great lyrics... Universal theme... Nice use of classic punk sound and arrangement. Witty and confident. The bit about the wife at the end is perhaps a tad crass (?) but then... All in all great effort.
@BvsMV - Until The Next
Gotta be honest and say i wasn't really sure about this 80s thing... I know everyone else liked it - but it felt like it just went on a bit and meandered is way along using some 80s synths... I felt a bit like... 'and...'. Didn't feel like it has an particular hook or structure. But all that's very subjective of course.
@Richard Yot - Feel The Breeze:
Again - gotta be honest and say it's not my favourite of your tracks... It seems to last a bit too long. I didn't feel like the tracks progressed all that much and the music doesn't change up all that much. Your voice is pretty good on it though. And it has that 'stamp' of definitely being one of yours. I just felt to be honest that it was missing a catchy hook or enough variety.
@AlterEgo_UK - The Shades:
Woah... wasn;t expecting that... That's weirder than anything @Monzo produces!
. I got scared. I wondered what it was all actually about. Not musically or lyrically the the type of thing i'd come back to if i'm honest. But horses for courses... Well produced, definitely.
@Igneous1 - Adjacent Investment:
I found this hard. It's got similar character to a lot of your stuff. It just seemed to be to be so unstructured and flit around between so many different phrases and pieces that it didn't have anything tying it together. It also has that kind of 'lounge music' feel (possibly the chords or something?) that's not really my bag. But I suspect that I simply 'don't get it'... so ignore me
. As with all this - it's subjective.
@High5denied - Rise of the Capacitor:
Again - woah... There's a lot in here. It's quite 'big' piece of music. It's a bit 'weird' - but I think I quite like it. It seems to have echos of a kind of LCD soundsystem elctro-punk thing going on. Your voice and your attitude is great. Some of the music is very interesting. I have no idea what 'Rise of the Capacitor' means but i think i'm going to go back and listen few more times and try and work it out. Nice one...
@JohnnyGoodyear - Love Song for Pepper, parts 1 and 2
I commented already I think. Much preferred part 2.
@Jeff Chasteen - Yes Certainly
Sounds good... great 'huge guitar tones' - but I must admit to wanting it to go somewhere and be a more well defined track. Feels like a kind of long intro at the moment. But that said - quite a cool intro!
Nice production in terms of a balanced, big, sound. The violin is nice.
@gburks - Fruit Smash feat. G3 (watermelon mix)
Feels like the music to a completely mental playstation game or something... i like the chip tune style arps... You have a cool 6 year old.
By way of crit, I guess it could have been a minute shorter and not lost much. Felt a bit light on variety or build (but then you did say it was a 'jam').
@Johnny Goodyear - True Story
Amazing backing track... That's a serious groove you've got going there... Worthy of... I dunno, Talking Heads B-Side remix or something... Goes well with the words (although there are perhaps too many words for me... But I know you meant it like it is).
Some of the squelchy sounds you've got in there are great. And the 'risers' too. And the pumping vocal samples... Very accomplished...
I think it's one of the best bit of music I've heard from you... Great samples and sounds thrown in and all perfectly on beat...
I demand to know more about the apps and techniques you've used
.... You could make a single out of this - although i'd take a more tradition approach to using and repeating a shorter set of 'lyric' samples - but that's just me.
@Monzo - Sleeping Stones
Nice and weird as always.
I felt ants crawling over my skin as I lay paralyzed for the first minute or so. Then the main kind of beat and repeating rhythm came in - which is great. Then the kind of eastern snake charmer lead starts going...
All quite good.
Maybe nice if it kind of went somewhere after that for the final resolution... feels at the moment like a soundtrack to something rather than a beginning /middle and end track (although to be fair it has a well defined beginning and a middle, complete with a breakdown at about 4mins). It maybe just needs some kind of reprise of the main theme for the end? Dunno...
Anyway - good effort! I enjoyed it.
@rkmonkey - Halloween Angst
Reminded me a bit of the energy and rawness of @bluepunk's
I like the words. I like the rough approach to the production. Your voice is great. Full of character and attitude.
It's good. I like it!
@Jocphone - face head wall gaze hail shot
Quite a difficult listen. Interesting, but feels like an experiment. Not sure i'd switch it on to listen to it out of choice. Although I might sample bits of it and steal them for my own tracks
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If it was the soundtrack to a particularly dark bit of a Scandinavian film - i'd think it was a pretty cool film.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 Thanks again Matt. (that's the second comment u made on mine,but no worries at least your comments mirrored themselves:D
And good on you for that epic list of feedback mate.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000@ Thanks for your comments on The Shades. It was just a scary story for Halloween really. If you got scared then I guess it did its job!
You clearly enjoyed making the last track and that came through loud and clear.
Sounds like an opportunity to me!
But yeah it sucks when technical issues hold you back. Is it a dodgy power supply or something more sinister?