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@Matt_Fletcher_2000 Thanks for your positive comments & I'm chuffed that you liked it. It was great fun making it & I'm so glad that I took the plunge. I've learnt so much since joining SOTMC so I'm grateful to you all. Cheers.
Thanks for the feedback Matt. If Auria hadn't borked the file then I was planning to add a lead vocal, and more Audiostretched chorus vocals. These, with a proper lead guitar break would have tied the sections together.
I may still finish it - I've got the .wav mixdown so might import this into Logic and add the extra bits.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it.
Soon time for the November thread, my track for this month isn't in great shape so far...
@richardyot You're welcome. Thanks for yours. My track for Nov is actually ready. I've been productive again.
@monzo - worth doing I think.
@bluepunk - you're welcome.
Thanks for the kind comments BvsMV. It's been a great month here again.
Hmm, I think you might have described something of mine as an experiment before..
The way I see it, getting out of bed in the morning is a bit of an experiment. Never sure exactly what might happen.
One day when you are having a rough day and feeling down about your own output, come and listen to this again. You'll be happier about your own work in no time.
Awesome, there's my retirement paid for in royalties!
As always it's a pleasure to hear your comments Matt. I have no expectation of anyone liking what I do, it's nice if someone does but in no way obligatory and it's pretty cool when someone takes the trouble to listen.
What do you mean it's November already? Dearie me....
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 Thanks for the honest feedback, I appreciate it. This was an experiment for sure. I honestly like it for what it is, but I made it as an afterthought, so I actually had some of the same reactions you did, but didn't want to put any more time into it. It's funny because it literally was the exact same track as my other entry, but through midi I just changed the synth sounds and swapped out some guitar for an FM synth. You seemed to really dig the original, but thought this was meandering. I think that possibly this version lacked dynamics, etc with similar, less organic instrumentation.
Lol,cheers Matt, I kinda feel same way about it, it was made nearly five years ago and on nanostudio . Wish I had the .nsp file and I'd do a rework...just put it up for fun really lol
@touchconspiracy - subterrainian-2011-unmastered
Sorry I missed your track. I couldn't keep up in October. Glad it is over. Cool even if it is an oldie for you. Works for me.
Glad you liked it. Kind of thrown together and meant to be rough, wanted to get in the board before the month expired. The midi file are old stock files I have. I jumbled the drums in the beginning on purpose. Song isn't meat to be very serious. Thanks for the feedback,
@Matt_Fletcher_2000
Thanks for the comments. Hope to have a better effort this month.
OK, I think that's all of last months committers.
@JeffChasteen - Yes Certainly
Your back ground pads remind me of an adventure game I used to have on the Amiga which had a soundtrack that rolled along like this. The swells give the track a nice moving feeling. The lead on top sounds like a guitar solo played on a keyboard. Guitar solos in general leave me a bit cold nowadays, not sure exactly why. Reminded me a lot of later Floyd. I think would have become something more memorable if there had been a second phase to the song. Maybe even a bit of singing/talking or summat?
@BvsMV - Until The Next (1984 Running In Slow Motion Edit)
I had to listen to this quite a few times to get my head around what was happening or what wasn't happening as I originally thought. It's a very subtle track which takes a long time to reveal itself. The drums push this along nicely and ultimately were the element that kinda told the story for me. I think I learned something from this track, just not sure what it is yet. Thought provoking..
@gburks - Fruit Smash feat. G3 (watermelon mix)
https://m.soundcloud.com/infinitystairs/fruit-smash-feat-g3-watermelon-mix
Couldn't make my mind up on whether it would have been better if the vocal samples had been clearer or if they work because they're a bit like synth noises that sound like samples. That's probably because I'm currently thinking about such things for my own music. Enjoyed the track, particularly the way it started and there were some interesting change ups but ultimately it just remained a bit of fun.
@Johnny Goodyear - True Story
At one time I was discussing with a scientist friend about the possibility of hosting science lectures against musical backdrops in a similar vein to this. The trick though seems to be pulling it off without sounding gimmicky. I'm not sure you completely managed that and I'm not sure I could either yet. It's an interesting concept but I think it needs further experimentation.
@monzo - Sleeping Stones
First time round the second part triggered some memory of the slower moodier parts of the Jungle Book film. This seems to be one of those chameleon style tracks. Every time I listen to it, it is completely different. I pick up on some other aspect that leads to another world of references and mental pictures. Really love how you can mix in different cultural ideas without straying into cliche. Authenticity can be really difficult to achieve, especially with synthethized sounds and less obviously formal song structures but you make it seem effortless. (I know that there is much effort involved) Don't know if I have a criticism. Looking forward to your next output already.
@rkmonkey - Halloween Angst
I have heard you making apologetic noises about this month but I enjoyed it. I'm glad that people post tracks of different finish and intention. The loose vocal timing, poor recording and stock blues track actually works in your favour. It's rushed and a bit adhoc but it's enjoyable and doesn't outstay it's welcome. The perfect house guest. Keep it up!
Really great tunes and discussion this month!
Fantastic comments thank you, I think I need to up my game with my feedback next month.
I think most of my SOTM have been effortless up to a point - they nearly all start life as late night jam sessions, recorded live in Audioshare. What will happen is I'll get a new app, in this case Fugue Machine, boot up a load of others and record the resulting racket. Sometimes this works - this was my second only go with FM, and I also put up a first ever play with Different Drummer. All good fun. The recorded jams are then imported into Auria where overdubs of guitar, synth, sheep etc. are added. Still lots of fun. The difficult bit though is making a freeform, very linear, jam sound like a proper song, and this is where most of my stuff falls down. As I'm controlling 6 apps during the jams I'm not able to concentrate on song structure and chord changes, and this can make it all sound a bit dull. The effort comes in when I try and create a structure from the chaos. That's the hard bit! I used to just put long jams of weirdness out, but this thread demands a bit more effort is put in so I'm trying to do better.
I do have my own personal underlying 'theme of reference' which influences what I put out, so I guess a lot of the 'style' is coming from this and the direction I'm slowly trudging towards.
I've just fallen in love with Logic again, courtesy of the free Alchemy upgrade. So I think this month I'll be creating the main structure in Logic, which is something it's really good at, and then bringing this into the iPad for adding madness and a bit of depth....which is what the iPad is good at. Not sure if I'll be breaking any SOTM rules by doing this, but don't tell them and I might get away with it.
@monzo there is no obligation to use iOS for SOTMC contributions. You can use a Ukelele and a Sony Walkman if you like, or failing that a MacBook and Logic is also fine.
@monzo I don't consider your tune to be structureless. The fact that it evolves between different sections I find has a lot of grace to it. Sometimes very strict 16 bars of verse this then 8 bars of chorus repeated to fade can be utterly tedious. Other times it pulls the listener along with it and the repetition cements the track in their mind.
I keep visiting the Logic page and having another look but the idea that I would be back working on a laptop stops me in my tracks. Besides I have the full Ableton Suite which lies idle. There is something about the simplicity of iOS apps that keeps me coming back.
@Jocphone said:
Thanks. Yes, far too many tracks & fast drums for my machine to handle. Was hoping that if it slept on it, it would want to start playing again this morning. It obviously needs a longer lie in! As the song goes "All I want for Christmas is.......iPad Air 2 128GB, Focal Spirit headphones" etc, etc. C'mon Santa, I've been a very good lad this year!
Good to know, lots of Alchemical goodness for November then.
I don't consider your tune to be structureless. The fact that it evolves between different sections I find has a lot of grace to it. Sometimes very strict 16 bars of verse this then 8 bars of chorus repeated to fade can be utterly tedious. Other times it pulls the listener along with it and the repetition cements the track in their mind.
I generally have an aversion to any formula or structure where music is concerned - creating and listening wise - so my preference and default setting is for a freeform thing. I think SOTM is good though because it pushes me to make my submissions more accessible....in a weird kinda way. My goal is to submit a track that has enough structure to keep the head-nodders happy, but still tickles the minds of the adventurous.
If you have a Mac then I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. There's so much content, instruments and gubbins for the money, and the sound quality is superb. I'm currently downloading about 30gb of extra free samples and settings that came with the last update. Listening back to a couple of old tracks last night, I was stunned by the difference compared to my iPad stuff. Only drawback is I can't really sit in my armchair at the end of the evening with it - you really need a keyboard (or iPad) connected and I hate using the trackpad to control filters and whatnot.
I think as a compromise I'll connect a keyboard/guitar/iPad/speakers etc. to it, lay it all out on the dining room table and create some loops and beats to export onto the iPad. Then I'll have my armchair session and muck about with the Logic building blocks, maybe exporting the whole Auria pie and gubbins back into Logic for final polishing. Any excuse to crank up Alchemy really. I much prefer Logic to Live though.
@monzo what is the USP for Logic? If I could get a reasonable price on selling Live, I might be tempted but I'm not sure whether Logic would suit me any better. I think I may have an aversion to DAWs in general.
I think the content and price is the main one, and it's a good all-rounder. I enjoyed using Live for a couple of years, but found stuff I did on it all sounded quite samey, and was never that happy with the bundled instruments and synths. Logic provides me with a very solid base for recording guitars and whatnot, and the rhythm side of things is superb. Then there are all the instruments, loops and effects that are bundled in, and now the Alchemy synth. The iPad controller is good too - allows you to use touch screen style enjoyment with a laptop.
For me it's just a big, solid, flexible thing and price-wise it can't be beaten. Plus as it's on a Mac there's zero-latency.
I find the stuff I do on it a bit 'straight', but I can soon muck this up with all the weirdness I have available on the iPad. A combo of the two opens up a huge amount of possibilities.
I don't seem to be encountering much difference in laptop speed since the OSX/Logic update and Logic still runs really fast - I reckon it'd fly on an SSD.
Who will take up the Ukelele and Sony Walkman challenge?
I heard @LostBoy85 mention his Uke prowess. And doesn't @mrufino1 play a Uke bass? Now, getting hold of a recording Walkman may be diffcult..
A dictaphone will do.
My new favorite workflow its to import stems, etc into Abelton from iOS. I then work on some song structure, make a demo, Dropbox it to iOS, make some more parts, rinse, repeat. If you want to try Logic light, buy Mainstage, get all the Logic instruments and use it in GarageBand. Abelton has plenty of midi capabilities.
Ha! Just let me know. I got my 5 string uke bass last month, all set now!
Ta for the feedback Matt, I think I'II add it to 'didn't like it / get it' category
Ah man,soundclouds being a bitch! I had quickly recorded a funny rough ukelele demo of my nov track straight into audioshare and cos of above comments I thought it would be fun to share it...but,computer says NO!:(
Try again tomorrow, I definitely have to hear this
Please keep trying LostBoy85. Love to hear early demos
Thanks for your kind feedback. I also think of it as a kind of long intro. I hoped to one day tack it onto the beginning of "Sweet Jane" in a live context, but Uncle Lou had to go and die on me. How inconsiderate of him.