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If you can use Marsenne to emulate all the bowed string, blown pipe, and other physical modeling sounds of Laplace that have nothing to do with metallic percussion, please post examples.
You could also just take a closer look at the synthesis diagrams I posted since you quoted my post. They look quite different to me.
Is this All Mersenne ? even the violinish sound ?
really nice Mix by the way, peacefull listen
The violin is coming from my Mac with a plugin called Synful. There is also a touch of SynthMaster in there as an accent. All is mixed with Kymatica AUM.
Good. Very much a certain part of a certain kind of movie.
I actually didn't take any look at diagrams which are great, because they didn't load at all(as you can see they weren't loaded also in my reply).
The thing that really won't let you recreate laplace's sound in marsenne is that the latter has no sustain but just AR envelopes.
I just had a look at the modules and saw the names here and there.
@GovernorSilver - Very nice diagrams. @mschenkel.it and @Crawlingwind -Thanks for your comments.
Despite my no more synths rule (broken about ten times in the past two years) and the just implemented no-more-new-apps-after-AUM rule I bought this last night. I haven't had a lot of time to play with it, but I did come up with three new patches in about 15 minutes and they aren't anything I could get out of Laplace mainly because of the LFOs.
Hopefully I will have some time to play with it today and I will try to report back about it.
I usually have a no more synths rule but I did get this one and initial results were cool.
I've used it in two tunes and it sits in the mix perfectly. Already paid itself off.
This is great @pierre - how many Mersenne parameters is Thesys controlling and how many (if any) are you tweaking by hand?
Thesys is controlling pitch, velocity, gate and a few rythmic fx (all at different seq lenght) no CC, I was randomly tweaking a few parameters by hand (the 4 hardness, the 4 colors {beware of the pitch} and the noise cutoff)
I can see this combo in AUM taking care of the background and playing Lorentz on top
One is a physical modeling synth, the other is FM - two different styles of synthesis. To me this has clear implications as to what things each synth can do that the other cannot - especially when the diagrams are in my face. If you don't agree or don't want to believe, that is also fine. I have both synths now and will use each according to its strengths.
The diagrams and explanations of what each synth is about are on the icegear website.
The amazing thing though is that even with both, if they were totally useless, you're only out $10... Luckily they're not useless.
That I can agree with
I generally agree with the above from @GovernorSilver , but it isn't that simple or obvious. Both synths feed impulses into a resonator, both share uncommon parameters such as "hardness" and both (in slightly different ways) are physical modeling synths. My questions were never meant to imply that this synth was a mere retread/reskinning of Laplace, but to find out exactly what is going on.
I can see why there would be some confusion. The diagrams though look pretty clear to me. Mersenne has a 2-op FM synth section with 3 envelopes, which can be mixed with noise before going into the resonator. Laplace meanwhile has a single physical modeling oscillator with one envelope, that is mixed with noise going into the resonator. It could be that I left some detail out somewhere or overlooked something but anybody who really cares about the truth can examine the diagrams and other details for themselves here: http://ios.icegear.net/
Truly intriguing to hear how that lovely bit of audio was made and thanks for the description. Is Thesys your preferred tool for this kind of controlling?
Thesys is lovely, it never left my ipad, and work in AUM like a charm (iaa sync)
I'm addicted to midi sequencers and controllers, I must have all of them !
I'm this way with drum apps and it's getting worse (i.e. increasingly fantastic).
Fantastic stuff! Love it!
Such a shame that AGAIN there are no proper demo/videos out there
I know it´s not what people like to hear on this forum but i´m really dissapointed by this continous lack of videos and sound demos even when we can expect a good synth here due to the developers other tools.
But as some mentioned i can´t say if it can do really things i can´t do with other apps i already have!
I consider bsantoro's track to be a proper demo
Thanks @pierre, @johnnygoodyear, and @cinebient for listening and the compliments. I think Mersenne has a lot of potential to create interesting textured rhythms, with nice percussive sounds. I want to explore it a lot more. I created a custom arpeggio, then kept shifting three or four fingers positions in the aeolian scale; while fooling around with some of the filter dials.
I also had a lot of fun with the violin patch from Synful before my 15 day free download becomes inactive.(https://synfulauth.com). I emailed the developer about porting to the iPad. I think if he gets some more inquiries, he may even take it seriously. In case any of you are interested, I did a couple more selections using Synful (see below).
Very nice!
So maybe someone can answer this.... can i modulate the FX? Are the LFO´s polyphonic? Is there polyphonic glide and pitch bend? How fast are the LFO´s?.......etc.
Based on this manual http://ios.icegear.net/mersenne/manual/
No
Maybe
Maybe (tried playing keyboard - notes on lower chord seemed to glide to notes on higher chord, but can't really tell)
Maybe (no pitch bend onscreen, might need ext. MIDI to test)
LFO seems to hit audio rate
Hopefully this is enough to save you $3, or convince you to spend it.
I have no iPad (anymore) but maybe i get one again soon as additional sound source and midi controller.
I have no problem to pay a lot more for a synth but i want to know what i buy before i buy.
Yeah I was just teasing about the $3.
Might be possible to modulate the FX over MIDI but since the manual didn't include a MIDI implementation chart we don't really know.
I honestly don't know what proper polyphonic glide sounds like. When its just two notes played at once, one note glides to the other. But when I play a chord then play another chord, there seems to be a glide between the two chords.
It has a MIDI Learn function.
What an amazing world we live in. If you had told someone they could get these types of tones for $3, everyone would have a good laugh.
And yes, I know the iPad itself costs money but still...
3,99€, to be exact, but still amazing ;-)