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Blocs Wave, a new app from the Launchpad for iOS team

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  • @AndyPlankton said:

    We're looking into ways to try and make it easier to get sounds from Launchpad into Blocs Wave (hence our key chart we posted a few weeks back).

    And into Launchpad from Blocs ?

    Ideally, yes.

    In terms of keys, we went for minor to start as we undertook some research. Or rather, I went on a mission to uncover what key some of the best music was written in. Minor wins. So we wanted to very easy first experience so we focused on minor.

    Is they key just for the matching, or is it used for transposing also ?

    I think both, but I might be missing the subtle of question. We use key to help match sounds, but if you record or import sounds, you'll need to transpose them, the get them into the correct key.

  • @Igneous1 said:
    Was wondering if there was any integration with the launchpad (mini) / launchcontrol ?

    Blocs Wave doesn't have any controller integration.

    Launchpad for iOS is really designed for this, for performance, and so we've focused Blocs Wave on making ideas and earlier creation, getting deeper over time. That said, Blocs Wave is great for pressing play and just jamming on loops, as every loop you add should just work.

  • @Launchpadforios said:

    Recording is also pretty refined. You'll find some very solid audiobus support.

    I wouldn't call it solid, because I can't find a way to start a recording in sync

    What would be nice is if you could set it to record pause mode then have it start recording as soon as the Audiobus master start button was pressed for example.

  • @Launchpadforios said:

    @kobamoto said:
    thanks Launchpadforios, appreciate it.
    May I ask what your plans are in the way of fx

    We'll, we've made something cool here. Not quite FX as such, but it effects the sounds in some deeper ways. It didn't make it into the first release version, but will ship soon.

    As mentioned, you'll notice we have a very large waveform view, that will be used for some seriously fun things very shortly. We'll post something soon when we feel we're happy with it. Right now, we want to see how music makers find get ideas together.

    ok thanks again.... and when you do get into the fx it would be nice to have a suite of audio glitching fx to throw at the samples instead of the same ole tired bit crush, reverb, and delay. You've already got time stretching which is a wonderful foundation, imagine if you had fx blocks that overplayed the waveform that you could slide back and forth with your finger just like you do with the loop brakets and the fx were only effecting the audio underneath the blocks, and if you had some glitch fx that glitched the pitch, others that glitches the timing, others that glitched repetition, and filtering etc.... you could have something very special on your hands... allow the launchpad mini to trigger the slots and fx and last but not least allow for 8 outputs from the app so that we can run it into AUM for some external routing goodness all wrapped up in a nice little ableton Link bow and you've got an iOS classic on your hands!

  • @BiancaNeve said:

    @Launchpadforios said:
    Recording is also pretty refined. You'll find some very solid audiobus support.

    I wouldn't call it solid, because I can't find a way to start a recording in sync
    What would be nice is if you could set it to record pause mode then have it start recording as soon as the Audiobus master start button was pressed for example.

    Ah yes. Have you found slip mode yet? this should mean you don't need to record in sync. This tutorial should help with the slip mode feature.

  • @kobamoto said:
    ok thanks again.... and when you do get into the fx it would be nice to have a suite of audio glitching fx to throw at the samples instead of the same ole tired bit crush, reverb, and delay. You've already got time stretching which is a wonderful foundation, imagine if you had fx blocks that overplayed the waveform that you could slide back and forth with your finger just like you do with the loop brakets and the fx were only effecting the audio underneath the blocks, and if you had some glitch fx that glitched the pitch, others that glitches the timing, others that glitched repetition, and filtering etc.... you could have something very special on your hands...

    You really need to met our Software Architect. You guys would really get along. He wants all of this.

  • @Launchpadforios Will certainly take a look at the video, no doubt missing a lot. As regards recording was thinking about how in Launchpad you can record a session or whatever, bringing loops in and out, and then have the option to export that 'performance' via audiocopy etc.

    Sounds as though you have more plans and some stuff that's not too far from hitting the streets, especially as regards the wave form, looking forward to it...

  • edited March 2016

    ...option to export that 'performance'

    Ah I see now. At present, the main way of exporting, is to export the tweaked loop itself. Exporting a 'Performance' as such, isn't in there yet.

    So ideally, you'd like the 'record' option, as it is in Launchpad for iOS, to be on Blocs Wave?

  • Yes I found slip mode. But it's a faff.

    1 set recording length to longer than I need

    2 slip the recording to line up with a beat

    3 move the start to line up with the beat in 2

    4 move the end to the end of the recording.

  • @Launchpadforios said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Launchpadforios said:
    In terms of keys, we went for minor to start as we undertook some research. Or rather, I went on a mission to uncover what key some of the best music was written in. Minor wins. So we wanted to very easy first experience so we focused on minor.

    Is they key just for the matching, or is it used for transposing also ?

    I think both, but I might be missing the subtle of question. We use key to help match sounds, but if you record or import sounds, you'll need to transpose them, the get them into the correct key.

    I was fishing for the complexity of the transpose, is it up and down for a phrase, I.e changing the root note or is it analysing the individual notes in a phrase which would make it possible to convert a major phrase to a minor one.
    So if I want to use a major key, should I record a major key phrase and just ignore the key and just make sure the root is correct, I.e record a phrase in C Maj and call it Cm (knowing it won't play well with a real Cm phrase)and it will actually play as C Maj or if transposed to Gm it will Play in G Maj or will the transpose be trying to make it a min phrase by analysing the intervals ?
    BTW my most used keys are Em, Am, F#m and G Maj :)

  • Call it Am. Since that's the same notes as C :)

  • @Launchpadforios said:

    @kobamoto said:
    ok thanks again.... and when you do get into the fx it would be nice to have a suite of audio glitching fx to throw at the samples instead of the same ole tired bit crush, reverb, and delay. You've already got time stretching which is a wonderful foundation, imagine if you had fx blocks that overplayed the waveform that you could slide back and forth with your finger just like you do with the loop brakets and the fx were only effecting the audio underneath the blocks, and if you had some glitch fx that glitched the pitch, others that glitches the timing, others that glitched repetition, and filtering etc.... you could have something very special on your hands...

    You really need to met our Software Architect. You guys would really get along. He wants all of this.

    those last 5 words were beautiful :)

  • @AndyPlankton said:
    I was fishing for the complexity of the transpose, is it up and down for a phrase, I.e changing the root note or is it analysing the individual notes in a phrase which would make it possible to convert a major phrase to a minor one.

    It is phrase based.

    So if I want to use a major key, should I record a major key phrase and just ignore the key and just make sure the root is correct,

    You can do this.

    I.e record a phrase in C Maj and call it Cm (knowing it won't play well with a real Cm phrase)and it will actually play as C Maj

    This would work.

    or if transposed to Gm it will Play in G Maj or will the transpose be trying to make it a min phrase by analysing the intervals ?

    It will play in G Maj.

    BTW my most used keys are Em, Am, F#m and G Maj :)

    You can use relative keys if you're comfortable with that? It delivers some pretty good results when I try that (so use Gmat or Em). I think we've added the key of the soundpacks in the store so you can find the original key.

  • @BiancaNeve said:
    Yes I found slip mode. But it's a faff.
    1 set recording length to longer than I need
    2 slip the recording to line up with a beat
    3 move the start to line up with the beat in 2
    4 move the end to the end of the recording.

    Ok, Understood. Would Link do the trick for you here, or do you need anything else?

  • edited March 2016

    @Launchpadforios said:

    @BiancaNeve said:
    Yes I found slip mode. But it's a faff.
    1 set recording length to longer than I need
    2 slip the recording to line up with a beat
    3 move the start to line up with the beat in 2
    4 move the end to the end of the recording.

    Ok, Understood. Would Link do the trick for you here, or do you need anything else?

    Link will be good but not for this ( no transport controls in link)

    As I said before what would be good would be if you could start the recording by pressing the start button in Audiobus.

    That way you can have the source and recording start at the same time.

    Ps any hints on where I find recordings or imports from Audioshare?

  • @Launchpadforios said:

    You can use relative keys if you're comfortable with that? It delivers some pretty good results when I try that (so use Gmat or Em). I think we've added the key of the soundpacks in the store so you can find the original key.

    This was the reasoning for my questions :)

    Have had a play and I really like the app, what I instantly want to be able to do is export a project to a row in Launchpad :)

  • @BiancaNeve said:
    As I said before what would be good would be if you could start the recording by pressing the start button in Audiobus.

    Got it. I'll chat with the guys tomorrow.

    Ps any hints on where I find recordings or imports from Audioshare?

    At present, recordings are stored on that pad, in that project. You can copy, or duplicate into other projects, and the file is deleted, on the deletion, of the last reference of that file. In other words, there's no file 'manager',and samples are either imported onto a pad, or deleted from that pad.

  • @AndyPlankton said:
    Have had a play and I really like the app, what I instantly want to be able to do is export a project to a row in Launchpad :)

    We'd like this too!

  • is it possible to edit the samples destructively with the loop points meaning, once i've set my clean loop then be able to truncate the audio so that the excess audio is gone off my iPad so I can conserve storage space, and also is it possible to load audio into a slot from the iTunes library?

  • @AndyPlankton said:
    Have had a play and I really like the app, what I instantly want to be able to do is export a project to a row in Launchpad :)

    I'd buy Bloc ideally if this would come in an update.... since Launchpad will never allow recording from external sources.... Or will it?

    P.S: I'm off for a beer ATM

  • @kobamoto said:
    is it possible to edit the samples destructively with the loop points meaning, once i've set my clean loop then be able to truncate the audio so that the excess audio is gone off my iPad so I can conserve storage space, and also is it possible to load audio into a slot from the iTunes library?

    Right now, I do this by exporting and re-importing. The export process will 'chop' of the excess audio.

  • @Johnba said:
    I'd buy Bloc ideally if this would come in an update.... since Launchpad will never allow recording from external sources.... Or will it?

    Blocs Wave came out of looking into Recording in Launchpad. It go SO complicated, we made a whole now app to do it really well.

    The simper answer is , Launchpad for iOS, does not have recording input planned, however, we'd never say "never".

  • Also, for those wanting a hint at whats coming up next, we kinda left some drawings up in our very shiny blocs video here:

  • ok, and what about the loading up songs from the iTunes library into slots, is that possible?

  • @Launchpadforios said:
    At present, recordings are stored on that pad, in that project. You can copy, or duplicate into other projects, and the file is deleted, on the deletion, of the last reference of that file. In other words, there's no file 'manager',and samples are either imported onto a pad, or deleted from that pad.

    Appreciate you taking the time/making the effort hereabouts. Hopefully you're getting some first-hand focus research out of it :)

    As for your point above, I was also wondering about where the samples are. I think you might want to look at a more elegant solution to this one. It is the way of importing odd bit and pieces in that many of them will get tried and then discarded. Could/would lead to a fair amount of detritus in the background. Not good for memory etc.

    I'm sure there are ways around it. Being able to see the samples previously loaded into a project and then swipe/delete would be preferable. However, Auria has a nice feature whereby you can (under 'Settings') choose to 'Clean up the project' which deletes anything not currently extant etc. Bit more violent, but is still a way round it...

    Thoughts?

  • yes deletion is vital.

    anyone can answer this one , is the realtime stretching independent of pitch or does the pitch change when you slow it down or speed it up?

  • Very satisfied.It's a Beautiful App. Perfect for creating loops and take full advantage of audiobus and IOS ecosystem, record and truncate live. Very smooth and a perfect companion for Launchpad App!
    I guess I've skipped drinking beer again... Oh well I'm off for champagne now, it seems.

  • i think the dev said it doesn't have truncate yet, the method he uses is export audio then re-import.

  • @Launchpadforios Well done on the app, have been really enjoying playing with different sound combinations. Looking forward to future developments.

    At present, recordings are stored on that pad, in that project. You can copy, or duplicate into other projects, and the file is deleted, on the deletion, of the last reference of that file. In other words, there's no file 'manager',and samples are either imported onto a pad, or deleted from that pad.

    Would there be any chance of having a user folder or being able to replace Blocs sounds with my own in a future update? I love the way the discover section changes sounds at a touch and would love to be able to do this with my own material.

  • looks like a lightweight slicer is finally on the horizon, and with 8 channels at that! +1 for channels out to aum and link. triggering via midi would be very cool for adding it to my modstep setup as well. great job, love the ui and am stoked that you have big plans on whats to come!

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