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I couldn't get back to a 9.7 iPad: reading magazines and manuals is finally possible without infinite zoom in/out and all the stuff music related(bigger keys, knobs, labels, etc). It weighs just as my iPad 2. The next big thing will be when more apps will be able to use proper split screen instead of slide over
Agree, split screen could be hugh if it takes off.
I've only seen the large Pro, but my Air2 feels tiny now. Just a shame they so quickly released the 9.7 with a better screen - love that screen.
@Nathan
The surface pro with 16 Gb RAM costs 2500 euros at the store, can't remember with how much storage it was packed.
Surface Pro....... 16gb ram......... €2500.......
........ For that price you can get a top of the range PC Laptop, or Mac...... It's a bit excessive to play "Do Ra Mi" on a midi keyboard?.....
Not expensive at all, considering you can make money using it for serious work without being tied to an office or studio room.
I'll buy, but I'm waiting for the Pro 2 and 3D touch/Force Touch, and perhaps better and more expandability. Oh, and iOS 10.
A touch naive there, but I have a feeling you know that already
People all over the world are in poverty, homeless, starving, and your criticism of Apple is that they're not making sure every entitled person can afford an iPad Pro?
Yeah, if too few people buy a product, it'll fail. That's how the market works. Apple isn't immune. An iPad Pro is a luxury item to most people. If it's too expensive, don't buy it. Why does Apple owe you anything?
There was a time not long ago when only the commercially successful musician or big investor could afford much pro gear. I know most of it was out of my reach for most of my life. Kids these days... lol.
Well, it all goes down to what I'll be using my future iPad Pro for: in my case, coupled with my Duet, to have a studio on the go and use it to make a few extra bucks, which is impossible with a regular PC and ridiculously expensive with a similarly powerful laptop (because, you know, desktop pro audio software, specially soft intruments and plugins, can cost ten times as much) without having the same stability, usability and general superiority of iOS' touch interface.
See? From where I stand, I won't be "splashing" money at all: I'll be making a business decision, an investment, which can prove reasonable or not in the medium term. When I bought my 64 GBiPad Air and Auria 1.x and all FabFilters, it took me a couple of months to recover the investment - not really bad. Then I bought some synths and recovered the money in less than a month. Finally, I purchased the upgrade to Auria Pro and some FF synth presets, and recovered the investment in the same week. It seems rather likely that the iPad Pro won't be wasted money at all - and I am definitely not (yet, hopefully) rich.
Of course, if I was a hobyist or amateur musician or was beginning a producer career, I could as well think otherwise. And that may provide the answer for your second paragraph: I think the "pro" label is there for a good reason. All the others (including professionals who don't really need or want a pro mobile solution) can have their Mini/Air2/Other or none at all.
All the best,
Dimitri.
Fair response.
Well, that's their entire business model. They do make good stuff, but they keep on trying to find the next iPhone, or iPad, something that will continue to convince people of their coolness. Because once folks stop thinking that they really need an iPhone to make calls, send texts and look at Facebook, their profit margin drops like a stone. It will happen at some point.
ipad pros are in another price category than the old iPads
If you max them out and get the pencil and the keyboard its in the price range of a Mac ...
It's over 1000€
Someone asked today: When will you be able to use all these apps on another thing? And -for me- that's still the answer to whether Apple are or need to be cool. It's where my investment in my tools lies. At this point.
Great point that I was pondering earlier today @JohnnyGoodyear .
But we're people who actually use this stuff. I just switched over to iPhone from Android, because I'd been recording on my iPad for a few years, and had all these great apps there. And I'll continue to use Apple, because the music apps are the best. I like the devices and OS more, too, but enough to pay the premium? Don't know. But most folks just buy them to have an iPhone, do their email, play games. That great herd will at some point decide it's not really necessary anymore.
Then maybe I'll be able to afford whatever top level iPad is in existence at that point.
What for-profit business isn’t in business to maximize profits? The only reason a tech company would sell something for less than market value is as some kind of promotion to make even more money in the future. If people are buying iPad Pros, then for them the price is right. If Apple is charging too much, that’s their problem to adjust. The market will determine value.
My point about the poverty-stricken, or those in need, is that they are legitimate targets for altruism. Apple making sure relatively rich people have the biggest iPad to play with is not going to win them any humanitarian awards.
Are they excessively expensive ? When I bought my MacBook Pro it was actually cheaper than a comparable Dell with an inferior screen , and unlike PC laptops I've had it's still going strong 4 years later . The new iMacs are superb value when you take the built in screens into account . And I'd rather use an iPhone or iPad than the windows versions because they're better . You get what you pay for, usually lol Saying that I do think the Pro could be a bit cheaper as it's almost laptop price
If anything in the apple world, from SW to HW to add-ons, is overpriced/too expensive, why do you still bother to have any Apple device at all?
No, I don't want no answer, just wanted to ask.
I remember when my dad bought a 286 pc for his company with 20MB hard disk w/ a weird bulky orange monochrome screen for + €3000. Me and my brothers had great times on it playing prince of persia, stunts, ...
Now anno 2016 i buy myself a second hand Ipad pro w/ 128gb in new condition for only €850, which i can use everywhere i want to make music, do artwork, do photography work, use as a creative device of all sorts..
I would never have dreamed this back in the 80s 90s. I agree apple seems to ask premium prices, but if you compare it to what we had 25yrs ago, i would say we musicians/creators/artists live in great times and are spoiled.
And YES the big ipad pro is absolutely worth it, it's great to use the music apps on the bigger screen, i cannot go back to the smaller ipad air. As soon as it inspires me to create a new track or artwork i immediately forget about the money i paid for it.
There is no justification for Apple charging around three times what the same RAM can be bought for elsewhere, then physically altering their hardware so that customers can't do their own upgrades.
The justification is because they can.
You are not paying for commoditized parts, @Nathan, but for a quality-built appliance. If you don't approve the prices, you have the ultimate consumer power of choice: buy another brand or even better, assemble your own computer from carefully chosen parts.
I bought the lowest specced MacBook and added my own cheap RAM and SSD lol
Forgive me for doubting that anything has been proven. I don't know how much it costs Apple to make their products or what their profits are exactly. Nor do I know what they should charge in order to maximize their profits. I doubt anyone here really has the numbers or knowledge to say with authority what's best for Apple---but again... Apple is in business for profit---as much as possible---and The Market Will Decide. It's fantasy to believe a corporation is going to reach a point where they say, "Oh my, we've made too much money now, we'd better reduce our prices." If Apple wants to be altruistic, they should make as much money as they can and channel some of it towards making the world a better place for those in need.
If people are making such a fuss about what Apple charges for a product, then that suggests to me that the product is highly desired, which in turn is an argument that the higher price may be justified. Prices are determined by desirability, not simply by how much it costs to make a thing.
My old mum used to always say 'The more you pay the more it's worth...' and I've been picking the different bones of meaning out of that for years, gawd bless 'er.
Common sense says that the reason they don’t double the price is because they don’t believe that’s the optimum price. They want to sell a lot of iPad Pros. Even if they could make as much money selling fewer for higher (and we don’t know that to be the case,) they want more users for all the obvious reasons that having more users is good. It’s simply finding the balance that gets them a larger and broader base of users while creating the revenue they want from sales.
I’m a musician not an economist, but I think I understand business on a rudimentary level. You have a right to assign a monetary value to a product based on what you want to pay, but when the reality is that enough people are spending more for it, you’re the one who is out of sync with the market. Your disagreements with Apple’s strategies are not a valid argument that they don’t want more customers. Apple tries to do what works best for their company and what fulfills their vision. They love their vision. I certainly don’t like everything they do, but I’d never believe they don’t want my money.
I have a problem with their advertised vision.
They are trying to sell the Pro as a laptop replacement, yet even their own apps often do not have the full functionality of their laptop counterparts.
iPad often needs iTunes on a laptop to use certain functions.
GarageBand is still a cut down version in many ways.
They should lead by example and produce (or have produced) some class leading apps that make people stand up and take notice.
Apple is still very enthusiastically selling laptops, so I’m not sure where we get the idea that they want the iPad Pro to replace them. They use laptops as benchmarks for the iPad, but that’s not the same as saying it’s supposed to be the same device for all the same purpose.
I don’t pay attention to much outside music apps. Is it true that the iPad Pro is not fulfilling the needs of Apple’s intended market? If so, then the product should fail. My guess is that Apple will take their time providing the functionality to keep customers on board. They tend to be very deliberate in choosing a direction rather than in a hurry to satisfy every customer whim. I believe their mobile products especially are the product of much calculation involving longer term strategies and with the intent to keep things simple and elegant for people who want to get to work quickly. It’s hard to argue with their success, but I guess the viability of the iPad Pro is still unknown.
@lovadamusic
Yes they don't say it outright. They very cleverly use a quote from someone else, but do not doubt they are implying it.
Yes they want you to buy their laptops, but they should expect some criticism if they want to imply it can be a replacement for PC laptops, but not MacBooks. The features they are not implementing are pretty much designed to keep the two products seperate in my opinion.
Yet they say "this is where we believe personal computing is going", but not just yet
I can't put all my music in one place without use of iTunes on a laptop - one simple thing that all laptops can do, but my iPad can't and neither can the iPad Pro. This can only be to protect their own services, as pics can be just as much a security risk, yet they allow pics via their card reader.
Don't get me wrong, I love my iPad. Listening to the constant bull about what they can do and how they can replace PC laptops, yet can't do such simple tasks without a laptop - well they should expect some criticism for that (again, in my opinion).
The product is being gimped to protect their own profits - fair enough, but that does not mean they should be applauded for it. The only reason it will not affect purchase from our segment of the market is because the apps available give them a monopoly - there is no resonable alternative.
Apple is not trying to trick people into buying something they don’t expect. I don’t like everything about their vision, but I’m trying to understand and explain why they do what they do. They’re selling to millions of people who don’t all have the same needs, desires, and expectations. Sometimes when people don’t get what they want, they blame Apple for being greedy, or stupid, or dishonest, or lacking in foresight… while all Apple does is make gobs of money selling products that are fully reviewed and with specs anyone can evaluate for themselves. So bottom line, Apple is doing right, and at least a big part of their success is selling the idea of accessibility, reliability, beauty and simplicity—whether we think so or not, the market says, yes, it’s what we want. A monopoly is not making something “everyone” wants, it’s actually being a company with no competition. There are other tablets and other apps. If you can get a better product, buy it. If not, don’t blame Apple.
I'm not under any illusions why they do what they do. I'm also not under any expectations that they will cater to any high degree solely to satisfy my needs in the music market.
It's not about blame or stupidity or being dishonest. They are doing what is best for themselves and the continued success of their product in their chosen market.
They do have a monopoly in the area of touch centric apps for music making. If they did not, many may look elsewhere if the product fulfilled their needs. There are no other tablets that have the range of apps that are available on the iPad.
Yet all the above does not make it any less annoying that they are gimping features to protect certain money making markets and keeping the iPad from becoming a true laptop replacement. We all know they have many markets to protect, yet their advertising is giving the impression that they see the Pro range as where personal computing is going. Yet it could already be there if they allowed the iPad range to do many things without need for an additional computing device.
Why all the harking on about blame? I'm not blaming Apple. I'm just stating that my opinion is that if they want to try to show the iPad Pro in the same light as a laptop replacement, they are way off the mark for many - beyond simple web use and dabbling in more productive areas.
I’m not telling you what to like. We’re talking about criticism and whether it’s warranted. I’m saying that Apple isn’t trying to make the perfect pro music machine. They probably don’t need all the good music apps to be on iOS, but no reason they shouldn’t benefit from it. If that market was critical for them, they’d do things different. Your opinion is that they want us to believe that the iPad Pro is a replacement for a laptop, but clearly they’ve intentionally made it not a laptop. It’s no secret. The iPad Pro is not a laptop, and Apple doesn’t want it to be a laptop. That’s too bad for people who want it to replace a laptop, who somehow believe that’s what Apple is trying to sell them. Apple is not in business to make life ideal for everyone; it’s to make money. Why would anyone expect them to make products that unnecessarily compete with each other for the same dollar? They’d like you to buy a laptop and a tablet, and what the hey, pick up an iMac and iPhone while you’re at it.
Seriously, though, I believe Apple wants to distinguish the iPad Pro from a laptop. It's why it has a mobile OS and not a desktop OS. Different devices for different jobs and workflows. At the moment, they're not trying to make a device that covers both territories.