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Ruismaker - AU Drum Synthesizer

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @brambos, nice sounds, waiting impatiently
    Thanks

  • MeatWalrusMeatWalrus

    @brambos @wim said:
    Not classic-ish, but I can tell you, playing Ruismaker (hosted in AUM) from Patterning is muy bueno!

    This is the first thing I tried with Ruismaker thanks to you. It works splendidly.

    Hello how we all doing ?can you guys explain how to set up patterning with ruismaker. Been trying but I'm still a rookie when it comes to apps driving other apps . Thanks -Meat

  • wimwim

    @MeatWalrus said:
    Hello how we all doing ?can you guys explain how to set up patterning with ruismaker. Been trying but I'm still a rookie when it comes to apps driving other apps . Thanks -Meat

    Yeah, it's a little bit complicated. I'll take a shot...

    • Load Patterning and RuisMaker in AUM. Mute the Patterning channel.
    • In the file tab in Patterning, MIDI Settings, turn on each track, set the output to Patterning, and the MIDI channel to 10 (or whatever you want to use). Set the notes to the ones that RuisMaker uses (C#3, D#3, F#3, G#3, A#3, C#4, D#4, F#4).
    • Turn down all the faders and FX sends in the Patterning mixer.
    • Back in AUM, set the input for RuisMaker to "Patterning", and channel 10 (or whatever)
    • That should do it. You might want to save the Patterning song before loading notes into it so that you have an easy point to start from next time. You also might want to save the AUM session.

    I can post a Patterning song and AUM preset here if you like, but recommend giving it a try yourself first as an educational exercise. ;)

    Here's what the patterning MIDI Settings should look like:

  • MeatWalrusMeatWalrus

    @wim thanks a lot man aprreciate the help . Alright I learned something today !

  • wimwim

    Glad I could help. B)

  • brambosbrambos
    edited June 2016

    ^ Excellent explanation from @wim . I never even thought about loading Patterning into AUM as well - I always used it running standalone, in parallel. But I guess this makes it even easier since you can save it as an AUM configuration template this way.

    By the way, Ruismaker listens to all MIDI channels (OMNI) so the channel number doesn't matter.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @wim said:
    Glad I could help. B)

    Good stuff there. Away from base currently, but look forward to learning from your lesson :)

  • gonekrazy3000gonekrazy3000

    @brambos said:
    ^ Excellent explanation from @wim . I never even thought about loading Patterning into AUM as well - I always used it running standalone, in parallel. But I guess this makes it even easier since you can save it as an AUM configuration template this way.

    By the way, Ruismaker listens to all MIDI channels (OMNI) so the channel number doesn't matter.

    This is actually a problem in some of my setups. Would you please let us choose a channel as well ? I only have 1 midi port between my iPad and PC using the Iconnectaudio4+.

    I'm actually avoiding using ruismaker when using my pc because of this.

  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @brambos said:
    ^ Excellent explanation from @wim . I never even thought about loading Patterning into AUM as well - I always used it running standalone, in parallel. But I guess this makes it even easier since you can save it as an AUM configuration template this way.

    By the way, Ruismaker listens to all MIDI channels (OMNI) so the channel number doesn't matter.

    This is actually a problem in some of my setups. Would you please let us choose a channel as well ? I only have 1 midi port between my iPad and PC using the Iconnectaudio4+.

    I'm actually avoiding using ruismaker when using my pc because of this.

    If this is the case (fixed OMNI input), Ruismaker is downright useless in any live MIDI setup IMHO. But is it true ?

  • brambosbrambos

    Nope, Ruismaker is a plugin, not a standalone instrument. It's the host's responsibility to receive midi and send the correct MIDI channels to the corresponding instruments. I don't understand why a plugin should be responsible for managing that? That would completely defeat the purpose of being able to run multiple instances at the same time.

    I can implement it of course, but it would just make everybody's life more difficult, because then you'd need to tinker with the host's channels AND change the channel configuration of each instance of Ruismaker. Keep in mind that Audio Units are a very different paradigm than IAA/AB instruments.

  • gonekrazy3000gonekrazy3000

    @DeVlaeminck said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @brambos said:
    ^ Excellent explanation from @wim . I never even thought about loading Patterning into AUM as well - I always used it running standalone, in parallel. But I guess this makes it even easier since you can save it as an AUM configuration template this way.

    By the way, Ruismaker listens to all MIDI channels (OMNI) so the channel number doesn't matter.

    This is actually a problem in some of my setups. Would you please let us choose a channel as well ? I only have 1 midi port between my iPad and PC using the Iconnectaudio4+.

    I'm actually avoiding using ruismaker when using my pc because of this.

    If this is the case (fixed OMNI input), Ruismaker is downright useless in any live MIDI setup IMHO. But is it true ?

    i'm guessing we can still use AUM's midi filtering options. will have to check myself when i get the time.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @soundklinik said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @soundklinik said:
    @AndyPlankton , you will loose everything, upon re download ModStep comes empty with the demo song...
    Why don't you call Apple? They call you back, free call to help you fix the iTunes problem...
    Good luck

    Which is precisely why you're supposed to backup the files. I copy everything to my pc via ifunbox. Delete, reinstall doesn't matter. Can always copy back the files. I've even copied the projects between iPads. Honestly. This blind hatred for modstep is starting to grate.

    Yeah, weird, where and how did you figured out my blind hatred for Modstep? I didn't even see that? I had the impression subject was iTunes..Lol

    Modstep is really one of my favourites, and like @wim says I was just answering him what happens...
    Actually I use this delete/reinstall to clean up my apps when they get cluttered

    @AndyPlankton , I know what you mean with the idiot treatment attitude, I have gone that route a few times :#

    I have already tried all suggestions on their website, and that I have found on the web, and here......If I ring them, they will make me do it all again, because they will not trust that I have done it. And I'll end up having to re-install anyway.
    As I will not lose anything other than time, I will just re-install. :)

  • brambosbrambos
    edited June 2016

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    i'm guessing we can still use AUM's midi filtering options. will have to check myself when i get the time.

    That is indeed the proper way to do it in AUM. Every AU host has similar features to make sure a plugin gets the right MIDI commands. It works the same way as VST/AU plugins on desktops.

    I was just going to post this. Example: here's how to configure this plugin instance to listen to MIDI channel 1:

  • brambosbrambos

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    This is actually a problem in some of my setups. Would you please let us choose a channel as well ? I only have 1 midi port between my iPad and PC using the Iconnectaudio4+.

    If there really is a practical need I can make it an option. Can you explain the situation where you'd need to talk directly with the plugin (i.e. without the host managing the midi routing)?

  • gonekrazy3000gonekrazy3000

    @brambos said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    This is actually a problem in some of my setups. Would you please let us choose a channel as well ? I only have 1 midi port between my iPad and PC using the Iconnectaudio4+.

    If there really is a practical need I can make it an option. Can you explain the situation where you'd need to talk directly with the plugin (i.e. without the host managing the midi routing)?

    some IAA,s and Au's ignore the midi filters. if Ruismaker works fine in AUM then i dont really need any channel select :)

  • brambosbrambos

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    some IAA,s and Au's ignore the midi filters. if Ruismaker works fine in AUM then i dont really need any channel select :)

    Let me know when you run into a scenario where it's needed. Audo Units on iOS are still pretty much a Wild West thing, so everyone is still figuring it out :smiley:

  • sirdavidabrahamsirdavidabraham
    edited June 2016

    @brambos said:
    Nope, Ruismaker is a plugin, not a standalone instrument. It's the host's responsibility to receive midi and send the correct MIDI channels to the corresponding instruments. I don't understand why a plugin should be responsible for managing that? That would completely defeat the purpose of being able to run multiple instances at the same time.

    I can implement it of course, but it would just make everybody's life more difficult, because then you'd need to tinker with the host's channels AND change the channel configuration of each instance of Ruismaker. Keep in mind that Audio Units are a very different paradigm than IAA/AB instruments.

    I've also been curious if the current AU spec would allow multiple MIDI tracks in a host (like Cubasis) to trigger a single instance of a plugin. Is there anything preventing this?

    For example a single instance of Ruismaker, but different MIDI tracks for HiHat, Kick Snare...

  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck

    @brambos said:
    Nope, Ruismaker is a plugin, not a standalone instrument. It's the host's responsibility to receive midi and send the correct MIDI channels to the corresponding instruments. I don't understand why a plugin should be responsible for managing that? That would completely defeat the purpose of being able to run multiple instances at the same time.

    I can implement it of course, but it would just make everybody's life more difficult, because then you'd need to tinker with the host's channels AND change the channel configuration of each instance of Ruismaker. Keep in mind that Audio Units are a very different paradigm than IAA/AB instruments.

    OK. I get that. Of course this should be handled by the host. Wasn't thinking straight, sry.

  • anicktanickt

    @sirdavidabraham said:

    @brambos said:
    Nope, Ruismaker is a plugin, not a standalone instrument. It's the host's responsibility to receive midi and send the correct MIDI channels to the corresponding instruments. I don't understand why a plugin should be responsible for managing that? That would completely defeat the purpose of being able to run multiple instances at the same time.

    I can implement it of course, but it would just make everybody's life more difficult, because then you'd need to tinker with the host's channels AND change the channel configuration of each instance of Ruismaker. Keep in mind that Audio Units are a very different paradigm than IAA/AB instruments.

    I've also been curious if the current AU spec would allow multiple MIDI tracks in a host (like Cubasis) to trigger a single instance of a plugin. Is there anything preventing this?

    For example a single instance of Ruismaker, but different MIDI tracks for HiHat, Kick Snare...

    Why would you need this? The different sounds are tied to note values. Throwing MIDI channels into the mix would just make things worse.

  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck

    @anickt said:

    @sirdavidabraham said:

    @brambos said:
    Nope, Ruismaker is a plugin, not a standalone instrument. It's the host's responsibility to receive midi and send the correct MIDI channels to the corresponding instruments. I don't understand why a plugin should be responsible for managing that? That would completely defeat the purpose of being able to run multiple instances at the same time.

    I can implement it of course, but it would just make everybody's life more difficult, because then you'd need to tinker with the host's channels AND change the channel configuration of each instance of Ruismaker. Keep in mind that Audio Units are a very different paradigm than IAA/AB instruments.

    I've also been curious if the current AU spec would allow multiple MIDI tracks in a host (like Cubasis) to trigger a single instance of a plugin. Is there anything preventing this?

    For example a single instance of Ruismaker, but different MIDI tracks for HiHat, Kick Snare...

    Why would you need this? The different sounds are tied to note values. Throwing MIDI channels into the mix would just make things worse.

    Different kits in diffent instances.

  • sirdavidabrahamsirdavidabraham

    @anickt @DeVlaeminck

    Yes I understand about different kits and different instances, this is more a theoretical question to see what limits exist in the AU spec as of today. Because as time goes and memory limits ease on iOS we will want multi-timbral instruments.

    Imagine iSymphonic Orchestra as an AU plugin where you have multiple MIDI tracks pointing to a single instance, could be more efficient than loading up 13 instances of such a plugin .

    Just trying to avoid the community having to wait until 2020 for this platform to be ready for prime time :)

  • brambosbrambos

    Internally AU works with standard midi commands, so you could solve multitimbrality using midi channels. It just complicates things at the host's end.. E.g. Hosting 10 instances of 16 channel multitimbral instruments. But in the end it's just messing about with numbers. Not impossible.

  • sirdavidabrahamsirdavidabraham

    @brambos said:
    Internally AU works with standard midi commands, so you could solve multitimbrality using midi channels. It just complicates things at the host's end.. E.g. Hosting 10 instances of 16 channel multitimbral instruments. But in the end it's just messing about with numbers. Not impossible.

    Okay many thanks for this info

  • anicktanickt

    @sirdavidabraham said:
    @anickt @DeVlaeminck

    Yes I understand about different kits and different instances, this is more a theoretical question to see what limits exist in the AU spec as of today. Because as time goes and memory limits ease on iOS we will want multi-timbral instruments.

    Imagine iSymphonic Orchestra as an AU plugin where you have multiple MIDI tracks pointing to a single instance, could be more efficient than loading up 13 instances of such a plugin .

    Just trying to avoid the community having to wait until 2020 for this platform to be ready for prime time :)

    I see what you mean. Does iSymphonic Orchestra allow you to assign a MIDI channel to each instrument? That would be one way to do it if it does. Some multi-timbral hardware modules do that.

  • SimoSimo

    @anickt said:
    I see what you mean. Does iSymphonic Orchestra allow you to assign a MIDI channel to each instrument? That would be one way to do it if it does. Some multi-timbral hardware modules do that.

    It does. And of course you can assign multiple parts (instruments) to a single channel, so layering is possible. Now if only it had separate audio outs for every part...! (It outputs the full mix.) I hope that may happen one day, but not sure if it's in fact planned or not.

  • anicktanickt

    @Simo said:

    @anickt said:
    I see what you mean. Does iSymphonic Orchestra allow you to assign a MIDI channel to each instrument? That would be one way to do it if it does. Some multi-timbral hardware modules do that.

    It does. And of course you can assign multiple parts (instruments) to a single channel, so layering is possible. Now if only it had separate audio outs for every part...! (It outputs the full mix.) I hope that may happen one day, but not sure if it's in fact planned or not.

    Yes - separate audio outs would be nice on many of these apps. We'll get there!

  • SamuSamu

    @anickt said:

    @Simo said:

    @anickt said:
    I see what you mean. Does iSymphonic Orchestra allow you to assign a MIDI channel to each instrument? That would be one way to do it if it does. Some multi-timbral hardware modules do that.

    It does. And of course you can assign multiple parts (instruments) to a single channel, so layering is possible. Now if only it had separate audio outs for every part...! (It outputs the full mix.) I hope that may happen one day, but not sure if it's in fact planned or not.

    Yes - separate audio outs would be nice on many of these apps. We'll get there!

    Temporary solution would be to have each drum-sound in a separate midi-clip and freeze/record the individual tracks to audio...

    I don't even know if AU-Extensions can have multiple output-streams let alone do we even have a host that supports them???

  • SimoSimo

    @Samu: Oh, to clarify, I was talking about iSymphonic Orchestra in my last post! Not Ruismaker. :smile:

  • brambosbrambos

    @Samu said:
    I don't even know if AU-Extensions can have multiple output-streams let alone do we even have a host that supports them???

    I don't know either, but I haven't seen anything pointing in that direction. It would help if there was such a things as "Audio Unit documentation", but right now we have to work with a half-finished API reference (barely more than a list of class names), whatever comments the Apple developers put in their code and by reverse engineering the API header files. It's a major head-ache.

    Plugins can supply a number of output channels (1=mono, 2=stereo, etc.) and in theory you could send multiple outputs that way. But it's the host asking the plugin for a number of channels, and there's no way that I know of for a plugin to tell the host how many outputs it supports. So I guess that's not how it's envisioned, if at all...

  • DchildDchild

    @brambos Hey man loving Ruismaker and waiting eagerly for for the update.

    I dedicated some time to mapping my beatstep to RUISMAKER yesterday evening.

    I went with the easy 8 knob version, hoping the select instrument CC's would do the trick. I mapped 22-29 to 8X pads.

    I discovered you have to send a value along with the CC. Is there no way just to select the instrument, rather than re-selecting a drum algorithm.

    I just want to navigate around with having to touch the ipad.

    Cheers

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