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I just deleted cubasis because auria pro. But yea, if you want something simpler than auria pro, cubasis would be the next best choice imo. The pinch zoom thing on cubasis is sooo fucked up that it makes using the whole app pain in the ass to me.
I want to like Cubasis, because it feels - obviously - like Cubase, and I've been using that since forever. And I generally find it a lot more user friendly (and visually pleasing) than Auria. But I dunno, there's just too much wrong with it for me;
Pinch and zoom is annoyingly bad
I would've preferred a dedicated File/Edit/etc. menu system as it's frustrating when you open the app from a clean start and it's got whatever you were working on last (minus all the connections) and it's desperately missing some basic MIDI functions like delete doubles, legato, fixed length, etc.
Recording IAA (or AB) devices to audio simply doesn't work as intended. It's always out of time with the MIDI (comes in early and the zoom on the audio editor isn't fine enough to trim it to the exact start)
I don't like how you can't record into existing MIDI parts, or how stacked audio events all play at the same time
I dunno, I'm not being nitpicky for the same of it. There's a lot to like about Cubasis, but compared to its big brother, it feels like so much hard work. Maybe the next version will improve on these things!
I swear by Cubasis.
I find that Cubasis has the most intuitive workflow and consistent performance of IOS DAWS since I got it as soon as it hit IOS. So, I consider it at the forefront of IOS music making.
Auria is pretty and lots of people love it. But, it wasn't around for me when I got into this so I never really backtracked and have time to learn a whole new one. I have it. But, admit I never did more than a few bars with it.
Cubasis has superb implementation of Audio Units. They are timely in adapting to requests and the changing IOS music making landscape.
It is well worth the money.
The few little hiccups it has ever had are really nothing in comparison to other IOS DAW issues or limitations of others in my opinion.
The only IAP are 2 under $10 packs that are really good.
Do you have any trouble bouncing or recording IAA instruments? Like literally if I could just get things down to audio in time, reliably, without having to edit by hand every time I'd be happy to use it. I love the mixer and effects and the MIDI editing, apart from the zoom, is some of the easier (I like that you can hold move or resize with one hand and then just change the value with the other).
@chimp_spanner, Check this video out, it's what I have been trying to do. To early to say if it is working for me, but I intend on tracking out some ideas soon.
No.
No issues. Never.
Probably signing my death warrant on this now with this post though.
I must admit, I use a VERY VERY LIMITED pool of apps.
PATTERNING LAUNCHPAD APP
ANIMOOG STEPPOLY
MODEL 15 ALL APESOFT APPS
ENKL ZMORS
GEO SHRED SAMPLR
GENOME
(rare occasions POSEIDEN ALCHEMY MITOSYNTH SAMPLETANK)
THATS IT.
These apps are all very stable so that is probably why I have no issues.
Let me know if you need any other concerns addressed. Glad to help.
See my issue is, say I have an instrument in Cubasis (either through IAA or AUM or AB or whatever) and I have an audio track so I can monitor the sound, and a MIDI track with the note data. On playback...everything is fine. If I then arm the audio track and record, the resulting audio is a fraction ahead of the MIDI and the only way to fix it is to zoom in, get as close to the start of the waveform as possible, trim the file and then align it to the first beat again. Never managed to get around this. Very frustrating. It I just run the instruments "live" (so always triggered by MIDI) then yeah no issues. But if I wanna use Model 15 (or Thor or whatever) for more than one sound in a track, it's nice to bounce.
I want to make sure I understand you.
MIDI and AUDIO of the same thing at once?
Give me an example of what instrument/app you are talking about.
Or post a screen shot.
Thanks.
So load Cubasis
Add an audio track and set its input to an IAA synth
Add a MIDI track and set its output to the IAA synth
Sequence MIDI notes while monitoring the audio track
Now record those notes down to audio, then mute the original MIDI
The resulting audio is recorded ahead of the original note data
It's super weird! I'll post a screenshot shortly.
Not to be silly, but, did you ever just freeze the MIDI turning it into an audio track with the press of the snowflake?
I was wondering the same
Yeah tried it - the problem becomes even more apparent;
@chimp_spanner - I'm with RustiK in that I use Cubasis a lot, albeit with a limited set of apps. The problem your having is terrible, I've never encountered anything like it. In Cubasis under Set Up>MIDI what is the Output Latency set to? Mine is zero.
I don't have any problems on my Air1 with IAA sync with Patterning (multiple tracks even), Effectrix, Drumjam or Egoist which is mostly what I use it for lately.
OH I see, sending midi to IAA apps from Cubasis and recording them. Nevermind, I was talking about syncing external apps that do their own sequencing.
I recently pulled out my Studio One machine, and exported a couple of projects from Auria Pro. These projects I had bounced iOS instruments down either with the midi/audio track or freezing option and holy intoxicated drummer batman - timing was all over the place.
In my serious hobbyist experience with desktop daws, one thing often discussed is ADC - automatic delay compensation. Basically how a daw compensates for the addition of a plug in to a track to keep it in sync. My experience with Cubasis and AP seems that while these apps are running "live", timing has been ok. But your experience in bouncing in Cubasis is the same I experienced in AP. Perhaps this is more of an Apple/IAA issue than in the apps themselves?
I’m new to Cubasis, so I tried some apps with IAA — iSEM, iM1, Mersenne, Nave, ThumbJam… Only iM1 and ThumbJam bounced about in sync with the MIDI. Others were a bit ahead of the beat. Adjusted the Output Latency in MIDI Setup to -10 ms, and that lined it up pretty well for iSEM. It’s hard to tell in Cubasis because you can only zoom in so far, but tweaking the latency setting for a particular bounce should get it in line.
^ good to know, thanks
if anyone wants to contemplate something besides Cubasis, Mainlander is here for you: http://philosophy-of-redemption.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-rotting-god-mainlanders-metaphysic.html
I am already miserable enough today. No thanks. LOL
Yeah I thought I'd cracked it with MIDI delay but it seems to vary from instrument to instrument, or session to session. What worked one day doesn't work the next. It's literally the only thing stopping me from doing more on iOS.> @wigglelights said:
Yeah I'm familiar with PDC on Cubase 8.5 which is, mercifully, perfect and pretty much invisible as a process. I will try and report this as a bug and hopefully it'll lead to some further investigation. I haven't tried with Cubasis's built in instruments yet. Hmm...brb
Yeah same result to be honest. In general the stability of the timing seems to be a bit shaky. Like I can hear it drifting in and out with the click. I've seen it said that MIDI implementation in iOS could be to blame in which case the solution is to use Cubasis as a sketchpad and then export the MIDI out to a full DAW later. I dunno.
Or simply use Auria Pro and ditch both Cubasis and Cubase!
Actually Auria Pro suffers from a similar bug: if you do a mixdown of a track it adds silence at the start, that matches the latency settings that are set in the project. The workaround is to manually trim this silence out.
I've reported the bug, hopefully it will get fixed soon.
Well I mean, I'll always have my laptop to record with. So long as that's the case I can't ever see myself moving away from Cubase. I've been on it since it was in black and white; version 1 I believe! So it's second nature to me. I guess that's why I want Cubasis to feel more like the grown up version. It's frustrating that the features I want are spread across so many different apps. I do also have Auria Pro, but I just haven't found a good flow with it yet. I mean don't get me wrong, it's amazing. And it's deep. The real time MIDI modifiers are great, and I like that it has a menu system. It's about as near as anything has come to a desktop DAW experience on iPad. But there's a sweet spot between simplicity and functionality. Too far either side of it and I just start looking over at my laptop like...I could do twice as much in half the time.
Eagerly awaiting the next Cubasis update though. I've heard it's coming...
Hi guys,
We're not on vacation but working on the next update ...
Additionally please note that we announce updates when they become available!
Best,
Lars
Phew, took a bit longer as usual until you've bashed against Cubasis this time.
What has happened? ...
As previously mentioned, next to the addition of many new features, it is planned to improve zooming with the next update!
Best,
Lars
Looking for beta testers? Because I will beta test haha
You guys are the best! I simply love having your platform to work with. The updates have been frequent and useful with great free additions to an already simple and highly useful DAW. Always a fun time when using Audiobus and Cubasis. Looking forward to hearing more on the upcoming release!