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Thinking about cubasis

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  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    Have to give it up where due. Cubasis is not (today) my DAW of choice, but couldn't criticize it for lack of stability...

  • JesJes

    Ok well it can only get better ...I guess....
    I've certainly tested out its Outer Limits it would seem...

    @hacked_to_pieces said:
    I just used it the other day without issue. The X station has a built in class compliant audio interface right?
    If you have audiobus try this open Audiobus in the input slot select "system audio input" and in the output slot open Cubasis. Cubasis should now have your x-station audio playing thru it. If not select "Routing" in the tabs to the right of the track. Then select "mono Inputs" then audiobus and you should be able to select the mic input.

    Yep Xstation is class compliant and works flawlessly so far (two years or so) with iOS including Aum Audiobus and Audioshare.
    I have tried the method you suggest with Audiobus to no avail.
    The routing shows AB stem 1 as input...but no audio in channel
    The only way to get audio in is by running Xstation input in through Aum which works but is messy and causes crashes when undoing or changing channels etc.
    It is quite puzzling I am used to working with daw type stuff .
    Midi is working from X station and in Audio Settings it says X station...
    I have changed the Xstation rate to 44.1 to match Cubasis and toggled between 16 and 24 bit.....
    Unless it's something really basic I'm not getting..I'm stumped..

  • JesJes

    Now Cubasis won't open at all.
    Repeatedly crashing unless Xstation is connected ...and now even then...
    Restarts don't help
    Maybe this is a bad install..
    There goes yesterday's work and all my remaining data ...

  • lovadamusiclovadamusic

    Deleting and installing again would be the first thing to try. If the problems persist, it must be something unique to your set-up, otherwise we'd all be reporting such things.

  • JesJes

    @lovadamusic said:
    Deleting and installing again would be the first thing to try. If the problems persist, it must be something unique to your set-up, otherwise we'd all be reporting such things.

    Yes , thanks , I will try that.
    I just tried with a behringer uca202 interface instead of X station and had the same issues..it appears in Settings Audio but will not record...whereas through Aum works...
    So IAA works but not audio in or Audiobus....

  • wimwim
    edited August 2016

    It seems silly to ask, but you would be surprised how many times I have asked and people have said "no", and then are surprised to find it works...

    Have you tried rebooting the iPad a few times? Have you tried holding down the power key button until the power-off slider comes up, then holding down the home button until you return to the main screen?

  • SamuSamu

    I'm also running Cubasis on an iPad Air 2 / iOS9.3.4...

    Got 2 'no-name' classcompliant interfaces as well as the Behringer UCA-202, iRig Mic HD and Line6 MobileIn all work without any issues...

    Can you try connecting headphones to the iPads headphone jack and see if it enbales recording? (Some devices even though class-compliant do not report their full specs).

  • JesJes

    @wim said:
    It seems silly to ask, but you would be surprised how many times I have asked and people have said "no", and then are surprised to find it works...

    Have you tried rebooting the iPad a few times? Have you tried holding down the power key button until the power-off slider comes up, then holding down the home button until you return to the main screen?

    Yep thanks @wim..I've done so numerous times.

  • JesJes

    @Samu said:
    I'm also running Cubasis on an iPad Air 2 / iOS9.3.4...

    Got 2 'no-name' classcompliant interfaces as well as the Behringer UCA-202, iRig Mic HD and Line6 MobileIn all work without any issues...

    Can you try connecting headphones to the iPads headphone jack and see if it enbales recording? (Some devices even though class-compliant do not report their full specs).

    @Samu thanks for the suggestion.
    I tried that earlier.
    Cubasis no refuses to open unless it is connected to the Xstation and then has opened a new project for each crash...50 and counting..and still no audio in..
    I'm kinda in creative mode so haven't gone for a reinstall yet..

    One thing I am not sure of is if Cubasis needs to see an interface of the same sample rate and resolution as the project. Although I have tried matching them eg 44.1 and 16bit..
    Or would it report a mismatch ?

  • SamuSamu

    @Jes said:

    One thing I am not sure of is if Cubasis needs to see an interface of the same sample rate and resolution as the project. Although I have tried matching them eg 44.1 and 16bit..
    Or would it report a mismatch ?

    That could cause some 'problems'. I Don't know if @LFS over at Steinberg has access to Novation X-Station for testing but I'm thinking they would be pretty eager to fix those kind of issues...

    The 'headphone-trick' was one way to by-pass a bug in previous versions of iOS where it was impossible to record from a Line-In only device as Core-Audio needed an output, so attaching the headphones solved the issue...

    The behaviour was just like you mentined, Cubasis seemed to 'freeze' when starting to record...
    I'm running iPad Air, iOS9.3.4 with no issues.

  • LFSLFS
    edited August 2016

    @Jes said:
    @LFS
    I'm a new user to Cubasis , having held off on my desire for an iOS daw up to now.
    I'm finding it ummmm......terrible.. frankly.
    After one 8 hour songwriting session I'm quite amazed at how many times it has crashed on me, or gone into some weird lockup meltdown..
    The manual is not telling me anything about getting audio into a track..my X station appears as my audio but selecting eg left input to a track I cannot get a signal.
    I assume that Cubasis takes audio inputs directly right?
    My workaround was to use Aum IAA for mic input and then send to Cubasis.
    This initially worked but then crashed every time I did something..changing channels to record was a nightmare..
    So I tried Audiobus IAA...that was worse..no signal at all..
    So I persevered with Aum N Cubasis crashing continually til I worked out some compromise dance which is ridiculous.
    The only thing going for it is that Cubasis remembers where you were when it crashes.
    Using Undo also resulted in very many crashes and freezes.
    Lastly, why, every time I touch the channel strip fader, does the track record arm ?
    Is anyone else having these kind of issues?
    Any help ? Thanks
    Air 2 on iOS 9.3.2

    Hi Jes,

    Sorry to hear about your problems with the interface in use.
    Please make sure to get in touch with the hardware manufacturer to check, if the device is eligible for iPad use and have been tested with Cubasis.

    I offer to have them equipped with a Cubasis promo code for testing purposes if you provide me with a contact via private message.

    Hope that helps,
    Lars

  • JesJes

    @LFS
    hi Lars
    I deleted and reinstalled Cubasis.
    It once again recognised but would not record both my Behringer UCA 202 and my Novation X Station.
    After a short time I had the idea to check in IOS settings. Enable Microphone in Cubasis was not enabled. After I enabled it both interfaces are now recording into Cubasis and all seems stable.
    Upon opening Cubasis after download there was no question asked whether I wanted to allow access to the microphone.
    I assume that this was the problem with the original install.
    I do not recall if Cubasis asked for access the first timeout not. I did open it initially without an interface connected.However , a new install wouldn't remember previously asking and not ask subsequently would it ???

    Anyway it seems that this was the problem all along , which is very frustrating as that settings thing is hidden away and not obvious when one is troubleshooting a new and complex app setup.
    Is there a way of advising the user in Cubasis that the access has not been allowed and recording is unable to proceed until mic is enabled in Settings?
    This seems a logical way of saving users having to go through the amount of troubleshooting that I have over a simple but obscure solution.
    I know sometimes if I don't have an interface connected and I open a new app , I am wary of feedback and reject the enable mic prompt.

    Thanks to everyone for their help and advice.

    For future googlers:

    CUBASIS NOT RECORDING AUDIO?
    CHECK THAT 'ALLOW CUBASIS TO ACCESS MICROPHONE' IS ENABLED.

  • SamuSamu

    @Jes Glad you got it sorted out :)

    I usually allow apps to access both the camera and microphone unless it's an app where I don't know fully what it intends to do with the camera or microphone.

    I've not had any major issues with feedback unless intentionally having the iPads/iPhones speaker at maximum volume and mic-gain set to 100% with Input-monitoring enabled (This can be quite fun to experiment with using AudioShare).

  • wimwim
    edited August 2016

    I don't think Cubase is by any means alone in this. I've more than once made that mistake and had to spend time unwinding it. I don't know of a single app where I've seen a warning come up after the initial request to use the microphone.

  • jbvdbjbvdb

    Ok so the freezing of tracks in cubasis is different than I am used to in ableton live.
    How do I render a midi track to audio then have the original midi track free to effect differently? Do I need to route the audio and record it live into a new audio track?

  • lovadamusiclovadamusic

    @jbvdb said:
    Ok so the freezing of tracks in cubasis is different than I am used to in ableton live.
    How do I render a midi track to audio then have the original midi track free to effect differently? Do I need to route the audio and record it live into a new audio track?

    I'm new to Cubasis, but all I do is unfreeze the MIDI track after the audio track has been created. In SETUP > Arranger, make sure Unfreeze Deletes Audio Track is turned off.

  • jbvdbjbvdb

    @lovadamusic said:

    @jbvdb said:
    Ok so the freezing of tracks in cubasis is different than I am used to in ableton live.
    How do I render a midi track to audio then have the original midi track free to effect differently? Do I need to route the audio and record it live into a new audio track?

    I'm new to Cubasis, but all I do is unfreeze the MIDI track after the audio track has been created. In SETUP > Arranger, make sure Unfreeze Deletes Audio Track is turned off.

    Ah ok that's the part I was missing, every time I tried to unfreeze I would get a message saying it would change my tracks so I will look into that, thanks!

  • LFSLFS
    edited August 2016

    @Jes said:
    @LFS
    hi Lars
    I deleted and reinstalled Cubasis.
    It once again recognised but would not record both my Behringer UCA 202 and my Novation X Station.
    After a short time I had the idea to check in IOS settings. Enable Microphone in Cubasis was not enabled. After I enabled it both interfaces are now recording into Cubasis and all seems stable.
    Upon opening Cubasis after download there was no question asked whether I wanted to allow access to the microphone.
    I assume that this was the problem with the original install.
    I do not recall if Cubasis asked for access the first timeout not. I did open it initially without an interface connected.However , a new install wouldn't remember previously asking and not ask subsequently would it ???

    Anyway it seems that this was the problem all along , which is very frustrating as that settings thing is hidden away and not obvious when one is troubleshooting a new and complex app setup.
    Is there a way of advising the user in Cubasis that the access has not been allowed and recording is unable to proceed until mic is enabled in Settings?
    This seems a logical way of saving users having to go through the amount of troubleshooting that I have over a simple but obscure solution.
    I know sometimes if I don't have an interface connected and I open a new app , I am wary of feedback and reject the enable mic prompt.

    Thanks to everyone for their help and advice.

    For future googlers:

    CUBASIS NOT RECORDING AUDIO?
    CHECK THAT 'ALLOW CUBASIS TO ACCESS MICROPHONE' IS ENABLED.

    Hi Jes,

    Glad to hear you're up and running.

    The iOS microphone message appears with the first start of Cubasis.

    Please note that the topic is covered both in the in-app help of Cubasis and in our forum (since 2014):

    Cubasis Forum
    Problems with audio input - IMPORTANT
    https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=183&t=56030

    FAQ Section / Cubasis in-app help
    http://www.steinberg.net/fileadmin/files/PRODUCTS/Apps/Cubasis/Cubasis_Help/FAQ.html

    I will discuss with my engineers to have the dialogue displayed once a user connects a hardware (having the option turned off). Since it is a message generated by iOS this might not be possible, but we will check.

    Best,
    Lars

  • LFSLFS
    edited August 2016

    As an addition we recommend the following when using class compliant hardware with Cubasis:

    #1 Verify that Cubasis has access to microphone (in case you've cancelled the dialogue in Cubasis)
    - Please open Apple Settings
    - Scroll down to Cubasis
    - Check if "Allow Cubasis To Access Microphone" is active (green)

    #2 Use Apple-certified cables and components (in trouble, avoid USB hubs)

    #3 Check the instructions that come with your hardware and that it is certified and officially supported for iOS use.

    #4 iPad Restart #
    - Please perform a hard reset ("slide to power off")

    #5 Factory Reset #
    If all of the above fails perform a full factory reset of the iPad device (make sure to backup all of your data before hand).

    Best,
    Lars

  • jbvdbjbvdb

    Is there a scale mode in cubasis to sequence notes?

  • lovadamusiclovadamusic
    edited August 2016

    @jbvdb said:
    Is there a scale mode in cubasis to sequence notes?

    I just finished going through the manual, and I don't remember such a feature. No way to limit the keyboard to scale notes, and no collapsing the piano roll to specific notes. Unrelated... You can, however, set up 10 or 16 chord triggers in Keys or Pads, respectively.

  • jbvdbjbvdb

    Ok thx

  • u0421793u0421793

    If one were to put on the geologist or palaeontologist hat, where would you say contemporary iOS sequencer/daw products such as cubasis; mod step; GarageBand; Yamaha MMC; etc compare with the historical time line of conventional touch-less desktop old-fashioned computer based sequencer/daws?

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