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SkRaM update today :)

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  • or, it's just an app, and next month there will be 100 others to pick apart instead of making music with the the parts that don't need to be picked. Go outside and tell a squirrel to f**k off and SKRAM and all will be well.

  • I went outside and a squirrel told me to fuck off, apparently the washing line I put up was made of the wrong material and felt a little uncomfortable as he raced along it on his little paws. He was able to use it but not quite in the way he imagined.
    Bang on @brice

  • edited July 2016

    I'll just try to step around all the little piles of judginess on the floor. :-)

    Anyhoo, great update @liine_nick. Love the sounds. It's really fun to play with. With IAA magic moments can now be captured. :-). Link is very much welcomed. Keep it up. State saving seems like a must. Recording gui movements would be awesome.

  • @kin said:
    I went outside and a squirrel told me to fuck off, apparently the washing line I put up was made of the wrong material and felt a little uncomfortable as he raced along it on his little paws. He was able to use it but not quite in the way he imagined.
    Bang on @brice

    How embarrassing for me. That squirrel was mine. I sent her t-shirt shopping and it appears to have backfired.

  • Just saw an update for Skram and realized I was using the previous version when I was testing the recording. No idea why the update took so long to hit for me, but when I read about the update, I reinstalled and assumed I got the update. Retested the recording and it is broke on my mini 2 on 9.3.3 also.

  • edited July 2016

    Played with the update for a good forty minutes on the train and it was nice to link it to Blocs but by the end I was left with the same feeling I had with the first release. I wish I could have recorded the four widgets seperately for later mixing. Without that I just don't see paying for any of the future widgets which is a shame as they sound neat, are super fun and work really well together. But alas I just don't want to record them all together into one file. :neutral:

  • edited July 2016

    @AudioGus said:
    I wish I could have recorded the four widgets seperately for later mixing.

    I'm with you on this. Doing it Figure style would work - recording sequences, then rendering out separate tracks, one at a time while muting the other three. But exporting loops, or having 4 audio outs would be even better.

  • Thank you for the update. It's working fine for me. Air1 and 9.3.3

  • @ecamburn said:

    @AudioGus said:
    I wish I could have recorded the four widgets seperately for later mixing.

    I'm with you on this. Doing it Figure style would work - recording sequences, then rendering out separate tracks, one at a time while muting the other three. But exporting loops, or having 4 audio outs would be even better.

    yah it wasn't impossible to audiocopy bits into blocs by muting / unmuting and if I were bored in an airport somewhere sure why not, but for daily commuting there are just so many app options.

  • @AudioGus said:
    Played with the update for a good forty minutes on the train and it was nice to link it to Blocs but by the end I was left with the same feeling I had with the first release. I wish I could have recorded the four widgets seperately for later mixing. Without that I just don't see paying for any of the future widgets which is a shame as they sound neat, are super fun and work really well together. But alas I just don't want to record them all together into one file. :neutral:

    I'm confused....can't you just mute 3 instruments at a time and record your individual files that way? So you end up with 4 individual files to later mix...?

  • @brice said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Played with the update for a good forty minutes on the train and it was nice to link it to Blocs but by the end I was left with the same feeling I had with the first release. I wish I could have recorded the four widgets seperately for later mixing. Without that I just don't see paying for any of the future widgets which is a shame as they sound neat, are super fun and work really well together. But alas I just don't want to record them all together into one file. :neutral:

    I'm confused....can't you just mute 3 instruments at a time and record your individual files that way? So you end up with 4 individual files to later mix...?

    Yes, I did do this with audiocopy and blocs, but the clunky workflow and inability to manipulate things in tandem on the fly makes it too cumbersome. Where Skram excels for me is in the ability to get many fingers on fast with multiple parameters of different widgets at once and manipulate them in realtime. Layering one widget at a time just doesn't capture that organic quality I like about it. I have plenty of 'make isolated loop' options with other apps.

  • edited July 2016

    @AudioGus said:

    @brice said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Played with the update for a good forty minutes on the train and it was nice to link it to Blocs but by the end I was left with the same feeling I had with the first release. I wish I could have recorded the four widgets seperately for later mixing. Without that I just don't see paying for any of the future widgets which is a shame as they sound neat, are super fun and work really well together. But alas I just don't want to record them all together into one file. :neutral:

    I'm confused....can't you just mute 3 instruments at a time and record your individual files that way? So you end up with 4 individual files to later mix...?

    Yes, I did do this with audiocopy and blocs, but the clunky workflow and inability to manipulate things in tandem on the fly makes it too cumbersome. Where Skram excels for me is in the ability to get many fingers on fast with multiple parameters of different widgets at once and manipulate them in realtime. Layering one widget at a time just doesn't capture that organic quality I like about it. I have plenty of 'make isolated loop' options with other apps.

    Ahh, okay, you confused me when you said you wish you could have recorded the four widgets separately for later mixing. I see what you're wishing Skram was able to do now, and I agree that would make it a much more flexible spontaneous creation machine. Perhaps in the future.

  • @funjunkie27 said:
    Just saw an update for Skram and realized I was using the previous version when I was testing the recording. No idea why the update took so long to hit for me, but when I read about the update, I reinstalled and assumed I got the update. Retested the recording and it is broke on my mini 2 on 9.3.3 also.

    On my iPad Mini 2, the IAA recording works without any issues, hopefully Liine will sort it out for the standalone recording on the iPad Mini 2.

  • @jn2002dk said:

    @InfoCheck said:

    @jn2002dk said:

    @InfoCheck said:
    @Nkersov @liine_nick the app fails to record standalone but does successfully record in an IAA host app from within Skram so clearly the Skram recording function in standalone is broken. The Skram development team could benefit from having a better beta testing program so that updates aren't released with major flaws such as this.

    Recording works fine here

    Perhaps you could benefit from not making sweeping statements when we don't know if this bug only appears on very specific combinations of hardware and iOS versions

    The benefit of good beta testers is they can test apps in a wide variety of devices under real world conditions. For people having those devices where major new features don't work, it's viewed as a major flaw. Hopefully the Skram development team will be able to track the bug down and fix it using the information we provide here as well as from other user feedback. Ideally it would have been better to catch it before release with feedback from good beta testing.

    I know what beta testers do and i'm sure the Skram devs knows as well. That's completely besides the point. If you were genuinely interested in just reporting the bug then you would have reported it along with your device model and iOS version and left it at that. Making sweeping statement about their testing process based on a bug that seems limited to specific setups is quite condescending in my opinion

    You're welcome to express an opinion as much as anybody else. I've been supportive of Liine for many years on iOS and they will sort this out.

    I believe having a broken recording function on their app is a major flaw because:
    1. The app is designed to appeal to casual music users who may not use it as an IAA app.
    2. The biggest request was to be able to record, copy, and paste recordings for the app.
    3. They've had almost five months to update the app.
    4. Other new features they've added were more complex than the recording function and work well so this may have been something the developers could have easily fixed in beta testing.
    5. An iPad Mini 2 is an iOS device the app was supposed to be compatible with and for all those people who have such a device who want to record, it's a downgrade rather than an update because they could at least record and email the recordings without needing any other programs before the update. For people who use IAA, this will not be an issue.

    Was I surprised the Skram standalone recording didn't work on the iPad Mini 2 and will I lose sleep over it? Yes and no.

    Am I personally pleased with the update overall? Yes

    Do I know anything about the status of the Skram beta test program or if they even have one? No

    Have other developers had apps with bugs and received support from Audiobus forum users to beta test for them? Yes

    Could this have been a bug caused by iOS 9.3.3 on specific devices which was released after they submitted the Skram app update and therefore beyond the developer's control? Maybe

    If Liine can fix this bug in a week or two, that seems reasonable, if it takes another 5 months that would be surprising.

  • Hi everybody,

    Thanks for all the feedback. From what we can tell so far, the recording bug does seem limited to iOS 9.3.3, which was released during the Skram submission process. Hang tight, we're looking into this.

    Nicolas

  • @liine_nick said:
    Hi everybody,

    Thanks for all the feedback. From what we can tell so far, the recording bug does seem limited to iOS 9.3.3, which was released during the Skram submission process. Hang tight, we're looking into this.

    Nicolas

    Thank you @liine_nick the update is great overall. I have no recording issues on an iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.3 3 and an iPad Mini 2 on iOS 9.3.3 records fine in IAA apps using Skram's recording functions but fails to record anything in standalone mode.

  • @InfoCheck said:

    @liine_nick said:
    Hi everybody,

    Thanks for all the feedback. From what we can tell so far, the recording bug does seem limited to iOS 9.3.3, which was released during the Skram submission process. Hang tight, we're looking into this.

    Nicolas

    Thank you @liine_nick the update is great overall. I have no recording issues on an iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.3 3 and an iPad Mini 2 on iOS 9.3.3 records fine in IAA apps using Skram's recording functions but fails to record anything in standalone mode.

    Just to be perfectly clear, could you please confirm which of these cases work for you and which fail:

    • Standalone recording on iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.3.3
    • Standalone recording on iPad Mini 2 running iOS 9.3.3
    • IAA recording on iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.3.3
    • IAA recording on iPad Mini 2 running iOS 9.3.3
  • @liine_nick said:

    @InfoCheck said:

    @liine_nick said:
    Hi everybody,

    Thanks for all the feedback. From what we can tell so far, the recording bug does seem limited to iOS 9.3.3, which was released during the Skram submission process. Hang tight, we're looking into this.

    Nicolas

    Thank you @liine_nick the update is great overall. I have no recording issues on an iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.3 3 and an iPad Mini 2 on iOS 9.3.3 records fine in IAA apps using Skram's recording functions but fails to record anything in standalone mode.

    Just to be perfectly clear, could you please confirm which of these cases work for you and which fail:

    • Standalone recording on iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.3.3 Works

      • Standalone recording on iPad Mini 2 running iOS 9.3.3 Fails
    • IAA recording on iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.3.3 Works

    • IAA recording on iPad Mini 2 running iOS 9.3.3 Works
  • @InfoCheck said:

    @liine_nick said:
    Just to be perfectly clear, could you please confirm which of these cases work for you and which fail:

    • Standalone recording on iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.3.3 Works

      • Standalone recording on iPad Mini 2 running iOS 9.3.3 Fails
    • IAA recording on iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.3.3 Works

    • IAA recording on iPad Mini 2 running iOS 9.3.3 Works

    Perfect, thanks

    • Standalone recording on iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.3.3 Fails
    • IAA recording on iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.3.3 Works
  • Is it possible to save a project? Can't find anything!

  • As well as save a project. I can't find a way load a new one. When I come out of Skram, then reload the app, it goes back to the default. :#

  • Thx! :) Also great that it has Ableton Link :) And I'll never complain about free stuff as some others like to do...

    • Standalone recording on iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.3.3 Works
    • IAA recording on iPad Air 2 running iOS 9.3.3 Works
  • edited July 2016

    @mannix said:
    Thx! :) Also great that it has Ableton Link :) And I'll never complain about free stuff as some others like to do...

    Some people purchased the app as early as March before the current update. I'm confident Liine will fix the recording bug. Skram is their first audio based iOS app whereas Lemur is a controller app so it's understandable there have been some growing pains. Successful companies learn from their experiences. While not perfect, overall I'm happy with the app's development, others can see it differently.

    One person's complaint may be another's attempt to let the developer know what they'd like to see happen with the app. Liine gets to decide what they want to do in response which I'm sure is influenced by downloads and many other factors I'm unaware of.

    It's also clear Liine plans to sell instruments for the Skram app in the future and they'll take user feedback into account to maximize the desirability of the app as they move forward with it.

  • It appears it's free and I very much thank the developers for their kindness https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/skram-electronic-music-maker/id1085836793?mt=8

  • edited July 2016

    @mannix said:
    Thx! :) Also great that it has Ableton Link :) And I'll never complain about free stuff as some others like to do...

    >

    The thing is @mannix, free is no use if it doesn't actually work.

    _Months _of development for Skram, and messages asking early adopters to keep the faith, etc, in this the _AudioBus _forum, only to find AB has been left out. For sure by design, and despite knowing that virtually everyone here wanted it. Yes, it could be added at a later date, but frankly I get the feeling I've been sold a pup.

    I just don't get why they'd release an update that has so many faults. Not just unanticipated IOS version bugs, by stuff like no way to save or load, modules failing to retain their position or settings, flaky recording, etc. It's a huge let down, and there really is no excuse for such a shoddy release, after so long.

  • Taking wisdom from the old tale of the angry lion with a thorn in it's paw, I can only imagine that somebody here is suffering from really bad diarrhea.

  • @OscarSouth said:
    Taking wisdom from the old tale of the angry lion with a thorn in it's paw, I can only imagine that somebody here is suffering from really bad diarrhea.

    >

    Is that less painful than than the cringing butt kissing of other people?

  • Grabbed and put to work :)

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