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I'm split between Auria Pro and Cubasis (old thread)

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  • @ExAsperis99: That was genius, dude. Ha ha ha!

  • edited August 2016

    @richardyot said:

    @sirdavidabraham said:
    For me Logic on desktop for present power, Cubasis on iPad for creativity. Even though AU is still in its early days I'm sold by Steinberg's present commitment to it...Auria doesn't have it and it could be "coming soon" forever.

    Erm, since Auria got it's major v2 update eight months ago, and is actually updated more often than Cubasis (5 point releases since then) I don't think your assessment is quite fair. :)

    Granted it doesn't have AU yet - but that's one feature out of many. And to be fair it's not been announced as "coming soon".

    Fairness or lack thereof is not really the point of my response to the OP, just how I arrived at my decision as he asked.

  • If you have Cubase on laptop, I'd say Cubasis. Otherwise Auria Pro. The Lynda tutorials help a lot as does having a 12.9 128 gig Ipad pro. I almost bought a laptop until the pro version came out.. The gap between ios and laptop is closing daily

  • @sirdavidabraham said:

    @richardyot said:

    @sirdavidabraham said:
    For me Logic on desktop for present power, Cubasis on iPad for creativity. Even though AU is still in its early days I'm sold by Steinberg's present commitment to it...Auria doesn't have it and it could be "coming soon" forever.

    Erm, since Auria got it's major v2 update eight months ago, and is actually updated more often than Cubasis (5 point releases since then) I don't think your assessment is quite fair. :)

    Granted it doesn't have AU yet - but that's one feature out of many. And to be fair it's not been announced as "coming soon".

    Fairness or lack thereof is not really the point of my response to the OP, just how I arrived at my decision as he asked.

    And your comment was thankfully accepted and taken as meant :)

  • @Telstar5 said:
    If you have Cubase on laptop, I'd say Cubasis. Otherwise Auria Pro. The Lynda tutorials help a lot as does having a 12.9 128 gig Ipad pro. I almost bought a laptop until the pro version came out.. The gap between ios and laptop is closing daily

    No laptop at the moment.

  • One thing I like about Cubasis is that you can archive a whole project offline to your iCloud Drive to save space on your iPad. You can then restore the whole project later, with all the audio and midi tracks and effects intact to continue where you left off; or edit to create another composition.

    I also have Auria Pro, which I find much more awkward to setup tracks and create. The gui is more like a poorly planned desktop application; with items hidden in not so well thought out menus and dialog boxes. Sure you can learn its eccentricities if you spend the time making it your own; but I prefer the more direct, functional approach of Cubasis. I am really looking forward to Cubasis 2.0. I might end up deleting Auria Pro to save space.

    Each DAW can get the job done; its just a matter of personal preference.

  • I want a DAW that is part like Krogers and part like Piggly Wiggly: cheap and coupons.

  • @Telstar5 said:
    If you have Cubase on laptop, I'd say Cubasis. Otherwise Auria Pro. The Lynda tutorials help a lot as does having a 12.9 128 gig Ipad pro. I almost bought a laptop until the pro version came out.. The gap between ios and laptop is closing daily

    Also this. If you intend to sketch a song or capture some Audio/MIDI on the iPad, but do the heavy lifting on a Mac/PC, by all means go with Cubasis if you have Cubase, or Garageband if you have Logic. Before Auria Pro, iOS Garageband plus Logic Pro X enabled me to create tens of songs.

    Now, if you only have the iPad, you absoluely need Auria Pro, unless you work with MIDI only (even in this case IMO, but that's debatable). It's the only fully implemented DAW, capable to do everything from the songwriting to mixing/mastering. Even if you intend to use MIDI only racks such as Gadget as your main workhorse, it's sensible to invest at least in regular Auria ($25) and FabFilter Pro-L for mixing purposes.

    About Auria vs Cubasis on ease of use, learning curve, etc, it's a fact Cubasis is much easier to use, but c'mon!, it's like Premiere vs iMovie: the latter is a joy to use, but the former can do so much more it's really a no-contest if you want to get serious work done.

  • I'm still trying to get comfortable with both. I recently got Cubasis. It's easier on my old eyes, and it seems to work well for what it does. It's more accessible. Less to learn. AU capability for the few good options there. It has a nice little sampler. If I don't need Auria Pro for a simpler bit of mixing and arranging, Cubasis appears to be a good option.

    I use Logic for many of the things AP can do that Cubasis can't. If I was limited to just an iPad, and just one DAW, I'd have to choose AP. Audio and MIDI editing is not even close in Cubasis... then subgroups and busing, tempo and time sig changes, edit to video, the FabFilter stuff... if you know you don't need any of those features, then I think AP is overkill. I like Cubasis for what it does, and if they can improve the editing in 2.0, it becomes even more a go-to app for some of my needs.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    AP.

    @Peteclag said:
    Cubasis

    Case closed.

    :smiley:

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    AP.

    @Peteclag said:
    Cubasis

    Case closed.

    :smiley:

  • @StormJH1 said:
    I bought Auria (original version) on an iPad2 and then basically abandoned it because the device was too under powered for most of it.<

    >

    Yes, that is what I did. Followed by investing in Cubasis, for iPad work that needed a DAW, and Logic Pro X on the Mac for any task that required more than an iPad could offer. This, to me, is the best of both worlds.

    Auria Pro, regardless of how polished an app it is, or what it offers, is still going to be limited by the hardware constraints of an iPad and by IOS. Like trying to cram something big into a small space. Whereas, Cubasis works with the space and power available, leaving enough room for other apps.

  • I've never used AP on anything less than an 128G Air 2. It's true with just about any platform that you need to match hardware and software. AP was apparently written to exploit everything possible on the most powerful hardware---though I'm in no position to rate the efficiency. If one plans on getting an iPad Pro or next gen iPad in the future, then that should also factor into your decision.

    Until Cubasis 2.0 comes out and can be evaluated, I'm not even sure this whole discussion is getting anywhere. And how about when AP gets past the bug-fix phase and into adding more features? Right now we have two different apps, and only the person choosing knows what they can use and what they need. What the two apps do and don't do at this point in time is no secret.

  • @Nkersov said:
    Auria Pro, regardless of how polished an app it is, or what it offers, is still going to be limited by the hardware constraints of an iPad and by IOS. Like trying to cram something big into a small space. Whereas, Cubasis works with the space and power available, leaving enough room for other apps.

    That's certainly true, but as the devices grow more and more powerful horsepower is becoming less of an issue. On my iPad Pro the main barrier to me achieving 'desktop DAW' functionality is not a lack of CPU or memory, it's the unreliability of IAA. (And it's why the integrated instruments in Cubasis and Gadget currently remind me the most of my "enable and go" desktop VSTi's.) I really hope AU's take off. In Cubasis, the experience of using Viking, iSem, and the DDMF reverb and EQ are already vastly superior to the show-stopping bugginess I encounter with IAA.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    I have both. To me, Auria is like Whole Foods. Beautiful selection, top quality, very expensive, easy to get lost in. And it's kind of a haul and you have to drive there. It's a commitment.
    Cubasis is more like a neighborhood bodega. It has everything, but not necessarily the brands you want, although with all the hipsters moving in, it now stocks decent beer and fancy cheese.

    So good.

  • @Tovokas said:

    @Nkersov said:
    Auria Pro, regardless of how polished an app it is, or what it offers, is still going to be limited by the hardware constraints of an iPad and by IOS. Like trying to cram something big into a small space. Whereas, Cubasis works with the space and power available, leaving enough room for other apps.

    That's certainly true, but as the devices grow more and more powerful horsepower is becoming less of an issue. On my iPad Pro the main barrier to me achieving 'desktop DAW' functionality is not a lack of CPU or memory, it's the unreliability of IAA. (And it's why the integrated instruments in Cubasis and Gadget currently remind me the most of my "enable and go" desktop VSTi's.) I really hope AU's take off. In Cubasis, the experience of using Viking, iSem, and the DDMF reverb and EQ are already vastly superior to the show-stopping bugginess I encounter with IAA.

    Yes exactly, for this reason I've been spending an inordinate amount of time as a customer trying to help move AU along and encourage desktop developers (who aren't even on iOS yet) to consider the interface. AU workflow is beautiful...I really got inspired when @brambos released Ruismaker. Enkl and the stuff by DDMF are equally excellent. iSem has been shaky but almost there. Once we get a nice modern sounding polyphonic synth in AU it's going to be a good ride.

    So yeah AU is my addiction and Cubasis is serving it up...that's why I'm hooked :)

  • edited August 2016

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @zarv said:
    After quite a bit of indecision and shifting, I went for AP.
    I'm not very fond of the concept of a full featured DAW for iOS, but I find many functions in Auria useful. Cubasis I do not open since months.
    All this for having fun, make things good for SC or YT, etc. For demanding, professional (i.e. paid for and accordingly judged) jobs, OSX is still needed

    Agree that if I was doing more professional work, I would still go with a laptop. What swayed you towards AP?

    There are too many features to be listed completely, but the main ones are the very, very good stretching audio function, the not linear fadein/out, the interface, which is more pleasant to me than Cubasis', the possibility to export projects as AAF, the mixer, which, tho lacking wave visual feedback, is better (for me, ofc) than in Cubasis. I also use Lyra sometimes.
    Knobs I find small and crowded, even on 12", though, and my finger keeps covering the values. A solution like that in Thor would be welcome

  • @sirdavidabraham said:
    So yeah AU is my addiction and Cubasis is serving it up...that's why I'm hooked :)

    And there's something new, fun and AU-flavored coming up shortly B)

  • i absolutely love Auria pro for the audio work space it creates, but I'm not a fan of it's MIDI flow. If it was more fluid like Gadget I would think I've died and gone to heaven.

    I have zero experience with cubasis. My first iOS daw and audio app I stumbled across was Beatmaker2. from what I gather BM2 and AP are clunky for some users but I think once u spend enough time with any tool you'll figure out what suits u best.

    I make AP work well on my ipad4 FYI

  • ...

    Now, if you only have the iPad, you absoluely need Auria Pro, unless you work with MIDI only (even in this case IMO, but that's debatable). It's the only fully implemented DAW, capable to do everything from the songwriting to mixing/mastering. Even if you intend to use MIDI only racks such as Gadget as your main workhorse, it's sensible to invest at least in regular Auria ($25) and FabFilter Pro-L for mixing purposes.

    ...

    Allow me one naif question: is FabFilter Pro-L usable as an IAA efx (that is outside of Auria?). AFAIK it can be got only in Auria market

  • @zarv said:

    ...

    Now, if you only have the iPad, you absoluely need Auria Pro, unless you work with MIDI only (even in this case IMO, but that's debatable). It's the only fully implemented DAW, capable to do everything from the songwriting to mixing/mastering. Even if you intend to use MIDI only racks such as Gadget as your main workhorse, it's sensible to invest at least in regular Auria ($25) and FabFilter Pro-L for mixing purposes.

    ...

    Allow me one naif question: is FabFilter Pro-L usable as an IAA efx (that is outside of Auria?). AFAIK it can be got only in Auria market

    Only via Auria on iOS. You could route audio through Auria to use it, but that's kind of a pain.

  • @brambos said:

    @sirdavidabraham said:
    So yeah AU is my addiction and Cubasis is serving it up...that's why I'm hooked :)

    And there's something new, fun and AU-flavored coming up shortly B)

    Oh Lordy Lordy Lordy!

  • If you've got the space and the scratch, might be there's a good case for getting both.

    Auria currently does not support AU, while Cubasis does. If you're heavily invested into Auria, since both apps support Audiocopy/paste, seems a good way to apply several instances of the 6144 EQ to a handful of drum stems, for example, would be to copy them out of Auria, paste into Cubasis, process and Audiocopy/paste back into Auria.

    Haven't tried it yet - don't have Cubasis yet - but the notion of this dual DAW workaround has been on my mind lately. Primarily because I want to use the 6144. A lot :wink:

  • @eustressor said:
    If you've got the space and the scratch, might be there's a good case for getting both.

    Auria currently does not support AU, while Cubasis does. If you're heavily invested into Auria, since both apps support Audiocopy/paste, seems a good way to apply several instances of the 6144 EQ to a handful of drum stems, for example, would be to copy them out of Auria, paste into Cubasis, process and Audiocopy/paste back into Auria.

    Haven't tried it yet - don't have Cubasis yet - but the notion of this dual DAW workaround has been on my mind lately. Primarily because I want to use the 6144. A lot :wink:

    I have both, just trying to save space and concentrating my app use to help make my time more productive. For now, I've just trimmed Auria Pro down in size and will keep both...for now lol

  • @eustressor said:
    If you've got the space and the scratch, might be there's a good case for getting both.

    Auria currently does not support AU, while Cubasis does. If you're heavily invested into Auria, since both apps support Audiocopy/paste, seems a good way to apply several instances of the 6144 EQ to a handful of drum stems, for example, would be to copy them out of Auria, paste into Cubasis, process and Audiocopy/paste back into Auria.

    Haven't tried it yet - don't have Cubasis yet - but the notion of this dual DAW workaround has been on my mind lately. Primarily because I want to use the 6144. A lot :wink:

    Yeah, don't know what I'm doing (nothing new there), but I like what I'm hearing with the 6144.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @eustressor said:
    If you've got the space and the scratch, might be there's a good case for getting both.

    Auria currently does not support AU, while Cubasis does. If you're heavily invested into Auria, since both apps support Audiocopy/paste, seems a good way to apply several instances of the 6144 EQ to a handful of drum stems, for example, would be to copy them out of Auria, paste into Cubasis, process and Audiocopy/paste back into Auria.

    Haven't tried it yet - don't have Cubasis yet - but the notion of this dual DAW workaround has been on my mind lately. Primarily because I want to use the 6144. A lot :wink:

    Yeah, don't know what I'm doing (nothing new there), but I like what I'm hearing with the 6144.

    I see they have an AU reverb out too

  • @brambos said:

    @sirdavidabraham said:
    So yeah AU is my addiction and Cubasis is serving it up...that's why I'm hooked :)

    And there's something new, fun and AU-flavored coming up shortly B)

    Would you care to elaborate? ;)

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    I see they have an AU reverb out too

    The DDMF reverb sound great. (Obviously a bigger CPU hit than the stock verb, but it's working very well as a send for me).

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