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My only problem is the box is not big enough
That so needs rephrasing !
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Exactly. Horses for courses. I have projects on the go in both Cubasis and Auria Pro. Both work well, both have their irritating features, both are still being developed by peeps who care very much. Win-win.
Yeah I totally agree. To be honest I'm surprised this old thread even got dragged kicking and screaming back to life
Just found this thread (which is weird because I read this site every day).
I completely agree with the original post. Cubasis is easier. I'm totally out of my element with Auria Pro most of the time, but the functionality is deep, and I feel like I'm really pushing myself when I use it. I currently have a project going where I'm not even sure what is going on, but it sounds so good. I don't regret the purchase or the IAPs I've made on either but AP brings me much more of a sense of accomplishment.
That's the norm for me. I rarely know what's truly going on with my music. I do know all the best stuff happens when I'm not recording it
Haha. I agree. I've learned a lot from this site in the last few weeks (the content from posters recently has been exceptional!); but mostly I've learned that I still have a ton to learn. I currently have on my list,
more to add to the list in the near future I'm sure.
Mine would be:
If i had a dollar for every time i´ve said that...
I could buy even more apps!
Yeah but my my count, I've only said 5762 times
Personally i´m quite happy with Cubasis 2.0, it feels polished, a beautiful UI, and some well thought out features, like the Keyboard / Chord Pads with velocity. I also really dig the MicroLogue Synth, it is damn good. The FX-packs are also quite fine for their modest price.
I feel unlike the synths, the DAWs on iOS are still in a state of infancy, because the whole workflow especially with AUv3 is changing the game rapidly.
Also external arpegiation, sequencing, LFO etc apps are a pain to use as effects for anything inside the DAWs. As I found out recently that the AUx standard will not allow midi to be sent, we have to have these tools external to the host. I find this a pain, as switching between apps, or using multiple apps in iOS is not the slickest part of the process.
No, App switching is a "flow" killer. I´m using a Beatstep Pro, without it Cubasis wouldn´t work that great for me.
This (the keys&pads) is something I've always loved in Cubasis and wish it would be 'standard' on all other synths as well! I mean, imagine Korg Gadget or any other Korg apps for that matter with the Cubasis keys/pads...
Sure we can always use external controllers but those are not always present and that gets especially annoying when I know that 'velocity' could easily be implemented using the y-axis method Cubasis uses...
Being a hobbyist Cubasis fits my needs just fine even though it has 'issues' like just about any other app
Exactly, Cubasis 2.0 has a good feature set without attempting to be a professional grade app, for an attractive price. A great product for hobbyists and mobile. The best example how important usability is, shows the success of Gadget.
I bought both on sale ($25 each) and I don’t think I’ll be using Cubasis as a DAW. Nothing wrong with a VS battle
I’ve seen some YouTube videos where people seem to claim that Auria is somehow hampers creativity because it’s not as straightforward and easy to use as Cubasis. I spent half an hour with Auria and I can tell you those people either haven’t used it enough or are biased in some way. When it comes to UI, there are just too many things better/easier/more intuitive in Auria. Just download both (free) and explore the UI to see which is easier to use, but here’s my take:
Scrolling left/right has no acceleration in Cubasis
There’s no input indicators next to the tracks in Cubasis
General navigation (edit slice move etc) is more intuitive in Auria
Management of projects is better in Auria. You can take project Snapshots which is kind of like a saving a file to come back to later if you mess up (or things crash)
Plugins are too expensive for me in Auria. I bought Pro-Q2 and Pro-R on sale, I think both are very versatile in their capabilities, and I’m happy with them. Compression and Limiter I didn’t buy because I’m not at a level yet where I can find benefit from using those Vs ones that are built in.
@epfox if Auria is your first DAW, that's understandable.
It's a nice mixer, but 'workflow' is entirely missing from it's vocabulary imh experience.
Without demanding use it piled up 1 GB of invisible data in a couple of days - not cool.
I don't mind it's flaws for some meager 25 bucks spent on it, but for shure was disappointed with a so called IOS flagship product.
It's really easy to false identify software at a first glance - myself being no exception.
Some time ago I aquired a Pro Tools TDM system for bargain with the idea in mind to have a cheap 8 channel effect processor (plugins and interface io works without sequencing).
Looked at the screen graphics and thought wtf - this was the standard in pro audio ???
It turned out quickly that a lot of (workflow) features just don't reveal immediately.
Never planned to record/edit with an almost 20 years old software (version 5.1), but now I could - and I could do it much more efficiently than with Auria.
Unfortunately I don't like to record on PC/Mac, but prefer the iPad's silent and more accessible operation way more - so I put some high hopes into Auria.
(spending much more time than an hour with it - and with almost any DAW software available on IOS)
It's stunning how all of them neglect 'workflow', unless that means to play puzzle with readymade loops in a fixed beat environment.
So I just keep collecting sounds in Audioshare or Multitrack DAW and transfer them to the desktop DAW for arrangement... what a drag...
Workflow is a thing that means convenience of use and saved time - imho IOS apps are focussed on effects and isolated features, but lack an overall project context.
No intent to diss the app btw - but maybe one day someone starts to consider before releasing stuff... or fixes his/her.
The day @WaveMachineLabs add a multiselection markee - capable of selecting multiple non-contiguous areas without the need for previously separate them - Auria will rightfully get the workflow crown in Audio editing across all platforms (it already has it on iOs). I simply cannot agree with @telefunky (but I definitely see his point) about Auria’s workflow being inferior to Desktop DAWs, but as a full disclaimer, I never got around the mouse and keyboard experience, and the touch screen input by itself is a huge advantage.
Nkersov is a nice guy, it’s sad he asked himself to be banned because of political bickering...
@Telefunky ughh, yes I have to agree with you unfortunately, about initial reactions
I’m a long time user of desktop Cubase, and after spending some time in Auria it seemed closer to Cubase than Cubasis. Having input indicators next to tracks is really important for me, and ability to scroll left/right quickly is a must. So here Auria wins.
But in terms of ease of recording, selecting input sources, Cubasis is ahead. Also overlaying MIDI in Cubasis happens by default without doing anything. Auria treats them as “audio” and there smeems to be no way to merge MIDI of two recordings there.. unless I just haven’t discovered it.
As for project management, I’ve reconsidered - both are pretty awful at it with high likelihood of losing your work or even audio recordings.
Auria’s Snapshots are not something you can rely on, so what’s the use to have them then? Cubasis 2 has a little camera next to your project, and when you click on it, it makes a backup of your project but it doesn’t switch to it, where as when you do this in Auria it switches to your backup, and you’re now working on it. I suppose I should treat it as incremental project version instead. In Auria when you click on a “backup” file later, it just opens it, while in Cubasis it makes another copy for some reason, basically branching out.
Both DAWs try to “think” and that’s where all the trouble comes from! They’re trying to reinvent the wheel. Tell me if I’m gwrong, but wouldn’t it be best if:
1) every new project is created within a new folder.
2) no silly Snapshots, just Save and Save As. Save As, by default displays “yourPrjName-01”, and if that exists 02 etc. and switches to it upon saving. The largest number is the current version.
3) No auto-save, just go between the versions as you like without a chance of messing it up.
Let’s request this from these both, otherwise nearly perfect, DAWs!
Auria has the “Save As” option: it’s called “Save Copy Of Project”, then save it with the name you want. Very useful: I always save a copy before making changes I could regret afterwards. The only downside is that when you save a copy, it automaticaly closes your session and switches you to the copy, so you lose all the undos. But, if you are in iOS 11, you can do it outside of Auria or even Cubasis etc using Files.app (“duplicate” feature) without closing the current session, keeping all the undos. Also, every single new Auria project is a new folder, containing all the audio data, midi data etc., akin to Logic Pro X logicx packages, so Auria already has the 1 and 2 of your list.
About autosaving, as someone who had to deal with it in Final Cut Pro X coming from Premiere, even before having an iPad, I feel you. It takes time to get used to, and you outright lose a very important safety feature with it, which is the ability to “quit a project without saving” when you think you think you did something wrong to your project (an acidental fader move etc) but you cannot remember exactly what you did. On the other hand, you’ll never have to worry about losing data after a crash etc. Unfortunately, this is how iOS works: apps that don’t save state automatically aren’t approved by Apple, so don’t expect it to change anytime soon.
@theconnactic For some reason some projects have a corresponding folder, and some don’t. None of the ones I create have them in fact. I only see “New Project 1” 2, etc. But I was saying that everything pertaining to a project should be within its folder. So now I have a bunch of saves from each project all in the same page. And I’ve just started
I think things will get messy quick.
Following your suggestion, I went to Files, but even those folders don’t show up there, only project files. I made a test folder and placed one of my project files into it. It opens fine in Auria, and new saves get placed within it, so this looks like an excellent workaround. But my project contains an audio file, which also plays fine, but I’ve no idea where it’s stored. Or are these projects some sort of container files with each having duplicate audio and midi data? In Files it says Zero Kb for each of them.
Regarding Apple’s enforcement of auto-save, they could make it “on” by default, but let you disable it in options. Or make a “soft save” which just always saves to Crrent project, and a “hard save” that saves it as an untouchable version. This way all versions would be secure from edits, unless you hit Save, and your Current project would always be up to date.
I used to love Cubasis.
But since GarageBand received Alchemy and the Drummers, I switched to GB.
It also has full support for MPE, which Cubasis does not.
Regarding auto-save, Gadget seems to have circumvented that rule, because it doesn’t auto-save. It catches me out all the time, because if it crashes you lose your latest edits.
Auria snapshots have always worked just fine for me, never had a problem with them in 4 and a half years of using it on an almost daily basis.
@richardyot it feels like you have no control with Snapshots, they do their thing and you’re sort of relying on it not to fail. On two occasions after closing Auria I lost my recordings and they weren’t in the Snapshots. (Happened once in Cubasis also) Some sort of auto save is useful to recover after crashes, but wouldn’t you want to have “untouchable“ personal saves as a primary means of saving projects? So that you could mess around with a project knowing you can always go back to the original version.
P.S.: and yes, > @epfox said:
As I said, they’re like Logic’s logicx packages. Yes, they’re containers: all audio is stored there, you don’t lose anything. Check it out with iFunBox in your computer to browse the audio outside of Auria.
Sorry to hear that, I've never lost any recordings in 4 years of using Auria, and I use it a lot. The only issue like that I've ever had was a corrupted project a few years ago, but even that was eventually recoverable via the snapshots, and the issue was caused by a ghost IAA.
As for auto-save, I also prefer the option of choosing when to save, and having to ability to revert back to the last save if you mess up, but Apple have been demanding auto-save since the very start of iOS and AFAIK only Gadget doesn't obey this rule.
I have both for a while now and even after watching the many tutorials on each I still have not a clue how to use either of them! Still eludes me how to load a track in Cabasis. Anyone else out there as lost as this DAW collecting appaholic?
To load a track in Auria, go to menu> add track> choose between midi, mono or stereo and type a number if you want to create more than one track. Does that help?
Yes thank very much!