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I'm split between Auria Pro and Cubasis (old thread)

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  • AlexBAlexB

    @zarv said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @zarv said:
    After quite a bit of indecision and shifting, I went for AP.
    I'm not very fond of the concept of a full featured DAW for iOS, but I find many functions in Auria useful. Cubasis I do not open since months.
    All this for having fun, make things good for SC or YT, etc. For demanding, professional (i.e. paid for and accordingly judged) jobs, OSX is still needed

    Agree that if I was doing more professional work, I would still go with a laptop. What swayed you towards AP?

    There are too many features to be listed completely, but the main ones are the very, very good stretching audio function, the not linear fadein/out, the interface, which is more pleasant to me than Cubasis', the possibility to export projects as AAF, the mixer, which, tho lacking wave visual feedback, is better (for me, ofc) than in Cubasis. I also use Lyra sometimes.
    Knobs I find small and crowded, even on 12", though, and my finger keeps covering the values. A solution like that in Thor would be welcome

    One comment regarding fade in/out: you can make it as linear or non linear as you want automatizing the Master Volume.

  • zarvzarv
    edited August 2016

    @AlexB said:

    @zarv said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @zarv said:
    After quite a bit of indecision and shifting, I went for AP.
    I'm not very fond of the concept of a full featured DAW for iOS, but I find many functions in Auria useful. Cubasis I do not open since months.
    All this for having fun, make things good for SC or YT, etc. For demanding, professional (i.e. paid for and accordingly judged) jobs, OSX is still needed

    Agree that if I was doing more professional work, I would still go with a laptop. What swayed you towards AP?

    There are too many features to be listed completely, but the main ones are the very, very good stretching audio function, the not linear fadein/out, the interface, which is more pleasant to me than Cubasis', the possibility to export projects as AAF, the mixer, which, tho lacking wave visual feedback, is better (for me, ofc) than in Cubasis. I also use Lyra sometimes.
    Knobs I find small and crowded, even on 12", though, and my finger keeps covering the values. A solution like that in Thor would be welcome

    One comment regarding fade in/out: you can make it as linear or non linear as you want automatizing the Master Volume.

    In Cubasis you mean, I presume. Yes, true, but it's a lot different than to touch a single switch. Again, my personal preference, no more than that.
    I'd add to my preceding list the pitch correction, the silencing function and the crossfade. All this is what I use more often in Auria

  • eustressoreustressor

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @eustressor said:
    If you've got the space and the scratch, might be there's a good case for getting both.

    Auria currently does not support AU, while Cubasis does. If you're heavily invested into Auria, since both apps support Audiocopy/paste, seems a good way to apply several instances of the 6144 EQ to a handful of drum stems, for example, would be to copy them out of Auria, paste into Cubasis, process and Audiocopy/paste back into Auria.

    Haven't tried it yet - don't have Cubasis yet - but the notion of this dual DAW workaround has been on my mind lately. Primarily because I want to use the 6144. A lot :wink:

    Yeah, don't know what I'm doing (nothing new there), but I like what I'm hearing with the 6144.

    I see they have an AU reverb out too

    Yes, the good Mr. Walden over at the Music App Blog released his review today:

    http://musicappblog.com/envelope-reverb-review/

  • AlexBAlexB

    @zarv said:

    @AlexB said:

    @zarv said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @zarv said:
    After quite a bit of indecision and shifting, I went for AP.
    I'm not very fond of the concept of a full featured DAW for iOS, but I find many functions in Auria useful. Cubasis I do not open since months.
    All this for having fun, make things good for SC or YT, etc. For demanding, professional (i.e. paid for and accordingly judged) jobs, OSX is still needed

    Agree that if I was doing more professional work, I would still go with a laptop. What swayed you towards AP?

    There are too many features to be listed completely, but the main ones are the very, very good stretching audio function, the not linear fadein/out, the interface, which is more pleasant to me than Cubasis', the possibility to export projects as AAF, the mixer, which, tho lacking wave visual feedback, is better (for me, ofc) than in Cubasis. I also use Lyra sometimes.
    Knobs I find small and crowded, even on 12", though, and my finger keeps covering the values. A solution like that in Thor would be welcome

    One comment regarding fade in/out: you can make it as linear or non linear as you want automatizing the Master Volume.

    In Cubasis you mean, I presume. Yes, true, but it's a lot different than to touch a single switch. Again, my personal preference, no more than that.
    I'd add to my preceding list the pitch correction, the silencing function and the crossfade. All this is what I use more often in Auria

    Yes, in Cubasis. Not a single switch but easily doable. I don't know Auria but I like quite a lot Cubasis, even still missing the multitakes in loop , this and different buses for mixing would be essential for new Cubasis.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited August 2016

    I haven't got Cubasis, but happy enough with Auria to have stopped using Logic on my Mac and using AP instead. It's not perfect - the control strip and monitoring for example are a royal pain in the posterior for me - but being able to zoom in and scroll around on the pad makes it a quicker editing tool than desktop equivalents.

    I don't think I'd change now even if Cubasis brought out something amazing - it's coconuts verses lemons with this sort of thing unless you're a demanding pro user with special requirements. Generally the limitations in a DAW are usually down to my own lack of understanding of how the thing works, rather than any missing feature or bug, and so sticking with one thing and learning it properly will bring more results than swapping to the next hussy in town.

  • brambosbrambos

    @Dchild said:

    @brambos said:

    @sirdavidabraham said:
    So yeah AU is my addiction and Cubasis is serving it up...that's why I'm hooked :)

    And there's something new, fun and AU-flavored coming up shortly B)

    Would you care to elaborate? ;)

    It's blue :p

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @MonzoPro said:
    I haven't got Cubasis, but happy enough with Auria to have stopped using Logic on my Mac and using AP instead. It's not perfect - the control strip and monitoring for example are a royal pain in the posterior for me - but being able to zoom in and scroll around on the pad makes it a quicker editing tool than desktop equivalents.

    I don't think I'd change now even if Cubasis brought out something amazing - it's coconuts verses lemons with this sort of thing unless you're a demanding pro user with special requirements. Generally the limitations in a DAW are usually down to my own lack of understanding of how the thing works, rather than any missing feature or bug, and so sticking with one thing and learning it properly will bring more results than swapping to the next hussy in town.

    That's the plan eventually. When I decide, I'm going to stick with one and learn it inside out forsaking all others.

  • 1P181P18

    No easy audio import to Lyra was a strange design decision for Auria. Don't understand it. Maybe it'll be added at some point. I hope so.

  • StormJH1StormJH1

    Since I had not seriously looked at buying either the Pro upgrade to Auria or Cubasis until recently, I didn't realize that Auria lacks AU support. That's kind of a bummer. Ironically, I think a lot of people circa 2013/14 were drawn to Auria because it did something very AU/VST-like in its implementation of plugins (such as the Sugar Bytes effects apps). There was an argument to be made that Auria was like its own Audiobus/IAA, and that was more convenient (though must of the plugins were just effects, not instruments).

    With AU allowing other DAW's like Cubasis and MTS to have something like plugins, Auria no longer has that advantage. Also, one of the draws of Auria for me originally was the THM Overloud plugin that I could use to record guitar without going outside the app. But with the additional horsepower of the Pro 12.9", I guess I'm less concerned about linking up an external app. Definitely leaning Cubasis, though I wish it were on sale right now.

    A side thought - it'd be nice to see Sugar Bytes add AU to their apps, particularly Cyclop! That would be a killer monosynth to have as a plugin, and they were always ahead of the curve in working within Auria.

  • RetzilienceRetzilience
    edited August 2016

    Hey there, can anyone help:

    Does Cubasis have a nice AudioShare integration?

    Auria has it semi-baked and it's nice enough to work. But I really couldn't work with something lacking AudioShare at this point.

    Also, something I miss dearly is Ableton Link on Auria. Cubasis by any chance has it?
    I've looked up this information, but the input of people who already use it is always better.

  • richardyotrichardyot

    @Retzilience said:
    Does Cubasis have a nice AudioShare integration?

    One of the biggest PITAs in Cubasis is that everything has to go through the Media Bay, you can't import or export directly to the timeline. There is no direct Audioshare integration (you can't export a mix directly to AS like you can in Auria), but you can use Open In to export to AS... from the Media Bay.

  • sirdavidabrahamsirdavidabraham

    @StormJH1 said:
    Since I had not seriously looked at buying either the Pro upgrade to Auria or Cubasis until recently, I didn't realize that Auria lacks AU support. That's kind of a bummer. Ironically, I think a lot of people circa 2013/14 were drawn to Auria because it did something very AU/VST-like in its implementation of plugins (such as the Sugar Bytes effects apps). There was an argument to be made that Auria was like its own Audiobus/IAA, and that was more convenient (though must of the plugins were just effects, not instruments).

    With AU allowing other DAW's like Cubasis and MTS to have something like plugins, Auria no longer has that advantage. Also, one of the draws of Auria for me originally was the THM Overloud plugin that I could use to record guitar without going outside the app. But with the additional horsepower of the Pro 12.9", I guess I'm less concerned about linking up an external app. Definitely leaning Cubasis, though I wish it were on sale right now.

    A side thought - it'd be nice to see Sugar Bytes add AU to their apps, particularly Cyclop! That would be a killer monosynth to have as a plugin, and they were always ahead of the curve in working within Auria.

    Agree 100%

    I'd also suggest emailing Sugar Bytes directly with the AU request.

  • theconnactictheconnactic

    1) I think both AP and Cubasis work with AudioShare in similar ways.
    2) No.

    By the way, Auria has dedicated buttons for AudioCopy and AudioPaste. It would be nice IMHO if Rim ditched AudioCopy and make these buttons "To Audio Share" and "From AudioShare".

    @1P18 said:
    No easy audio import to Lyra was a strange design decision for Auria. Don't understand it. Maybe it'll be added at some point. I hope so.

    It's easy to import audio into Lyra: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/14575/auria-pro-has-anyone-noticed-that#latest We just cannot map audio in Lyra's keyboard - yet!

    @StormJH1 said:
    With AU allowing other DAW's like Cubasis and MTS to have something like plugins, Auria no longer has that advantage. Also, one of the draws of Auria for me originally was the THM Overloud plugin that I could use to record guitar without going outside the app. But with the additional horsepower of the Pro 12.9"

    Fact is, as of now, there are no AU out there, be it an instrument or effect, that compares favourably against Auria's plug-ins, BOTH in quality and in performance. Additionally, there no AU - as of now - that can do anything that cannot be done with Auria's plug-in (someone once raised Frekvens, but Timeless does everything and more).

    By the time there are real nice AUs in the market, there will be AU support in Auria for sure.

  • High5deniedHigh5denied

    @StormJH1 said:
    Since I had not seriously looked at buying either the Pro upgrade to Auria or Cubasis until recently, I didn't realize that Auria lacks AU support. That's kind of a bummer. Ironically, I think a lot of people circa 2013/14 were drawn to Auria because it did something very AU/VST-like in its implementation of plugins (such as the Sugar Bytes effects apps). There was an argument to be made that Auria was like its own Audiobus/IAA, and that was more convenient (though must of the plugins were just effects, not instruments).

    With AU allowing other DAW's like Cubasis and MTS to have something like plugins, Auria no longer has that advantage. Also, one of the draws of Auria for me originally was the THM Overloud plugin that I could use to record guitar without going outside the app. But with the additional horsepower of the Pro 12.9", I guess I'm less concerned about linking up an external app. Definitely leaning Cubasis, though I wish it were on sale right now.

    A side thought - it'd be nice to see Sugar Bytes add AU to their apps, particularly Cyclop! That would be a killer monosynth to have as a plugin, and they were always ahead of the curve in working within Auria.

    I don't have any doubts that Rim will be adding AU to Auria Pro. Or, maybe he's already in the process? No insider knowledge, just heard it around the water cooler and stuff.

  • sirdavidabrahamsirdavidabraham

    @High5denied said:

    @StormJH1 said:

    I don't have any doubts that Rim will be adding AU to Auria Pro. Or, maybe he's already in the process? No insider knowledge, just heard it around the water cooler and stuff.

    Definitely has been mentioned by Rim. Hopefully it will be a first class implementation.

  • RetzilienceRetzilience

    @richardyot and @theconnactic

    thank you for your take

    Yeah, the pluggins and synths on Auria Pro are bar none. :)

  • 1P181P18

    @theconnactic said:
    It's easy to import audio into Lyra: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/14575/auria-pro-has-anyone-noticed-that#latest We just cannot map audio in Lyra's keyboard - yet!

    That's pretty useless. Lyra quite simply was not designed with iOS in mind.

  • lovadamusiclovadamusic

    I don't think I've ever used AP and wished I had an AU app to plug in here, but then I don't have experience with all the AU apps available.

    I like the automation editing in Cubasis, but AP has quick fade options besides linear that I like better. Human-like quantize you can also do manually in Cubasis. You can do many things in Cubasis laboriously that AP has tools or options for. AP has the features needed to get quicker musical results. Comparing AP to Logic is similar. Logic has loads of features for making music quicker, easier, and more organized, far beyond AP. I use a computer for that power it provides.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @1P18 said:

    @theconnactic said:
    It's easy to import audio into Lyra: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/14575/auria-pro-has-anyone-noticed-that#latest We just cannot map audio in Lyra's keyboard - yet!

    That's pretty useless. Lyra quite simply was not designed with iOS in mind.

    I tend to avoid using Lyra and the built-in synths to be honest, it gets very laggy even on my Air 2. I prefer using external apps and then recording the audio into Auria.

    @lovadamusic said:

    Logic has loads of features for making music quicker, easier, and more organized, far beyond AP.

    Depends how you're using it. I personally find editing audio tracks (cutting, splitting, pasting, joining, moving etc.) a lot faster in AP than Logic, and for recording iOS music apps you can't really beat an internal system. Obviously Logic is a beast of a thing though, and on features and content AP can't compete.

    Horses for courses though, for me AP is a fast, easy to use thing that helps me get down my awful noises with the minimum of fuss. To use Logic I have to wait half an hour for my Mac to boot up, rummage around for leads and generally fiddle around, by which time I've forgotten what it was I was going to do.

  • sirdavidabrahamsirdavidabraham

    @brambos said:

    @Dchild said:

    @brambos said:

    @sirdavidabraham said:
    So yeah AU is my addiction and Cubasis is serving it up...that's why I'm hooked :)

    And there's something new, fun and AU-flavored coming up shortly B)

    Would you care to elaborate? ;)

    It's blue :p

    PPG has an exquisite blue implementation....the bar has been set :p

  • theconnactictheconnactic

    @1P18 said:

    That's pretty useless. Lyra quite simply was not designed with iOS in mind.

    Disagreed. Lyra was designed as a SFZ/EXS player, not a sampler.

  • lovadamusiclovadamusic

    @MonzoPro said:

    @1P18 said:

    @theconnactic said:
    It's easy to import audio into Lyra: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/14575/auria-pro-has-anyone-noticed-that#latest We just cannot map audio in Lyra's keyboard - yet!

    That's pretty useless. Lyra quite simply was not designed with iOS in mind.

    I tend to avoid using Lyra and the built-in synths to be honest, it gets very laggy even on my Air 2. I prefer using external apps and then recording the audio into Auria.

    @lovadamusic said:

    Logic has loads of features for making music quicker, easier, and more organized, far beyond AP.

    Depends how you're using it. I personally find editing audio tracks (cutting, splitting, pasting, joining, moving etc.) a lot faster in AP than Logic, and for recording iOS music apps you can't really beat an internal system. Obviously Logic is a beast of a thing though, and on features and content AP can't compete.

    Horses for courses though, for me AP is a fast, easy to use thing that helps me get down my awful noises with the minimum of fuss. To use Logic I have to wait half an hour for my Mac to boot up, rummage around for leads and generally fiddle around, by which time I've forgotten what it was I was going to do.

    I love the iPad for playing around and getting ideas. My Mac is almost always running, Logic ready to go, but for mixing/arranging iPad tracks, I use it mostly when the spontaneous creation has already happened. Logic can certainly be used for initial creation, but it's primarily a great editor. I'm biased with using a mouse and keyboard shortcuts when editing. On a tablet, as a piece gets longer, to 100 bars and more, the finding, zooming and panning becomes more and more tedious. One of many advantages I use with Logic is markers. Immediately get to sections, loop, zoom, even alter entire arrangements by simply dragging sections around.

  • richardyotrichardyot

    @lovadamusic said:
    One of many advantages I use with Logic is markers. Immediately get to sections, loop, zoom, even alter entire arrangements by simply dragging sections around.

    I do that in Auria all the time, re-arrange songs by shifting stuff around in the timeline, it's pretty easy if you do the tap and marquee select, you can select multiple sections very quickly. Auria has markers too, but sadly only 4, which admittedly is a drawback.

  • theconnactictheconnactic

    Besides Cubasis costing the same as full AuriaPro, yet being thinner in features even than old-styled, audio-only Auria 2, the fact is, most claims about it having a better workflow than any version of Auria simply don't survive a reality check. Let's go:

    • If you want to zoom your tracks in Cubasis, be careful: it will only zoom horizontaly;
    • If you want to pinch-zoom Cubasis' piano roll, prepare yourself for a totally random and incovenient scroll;
    • If you want to select the notes in Cubasis' piano roll by pressing a piano roll key, like in Auria and every Desktop DAW, forget it: you'll to manually select it (possible after pinch zooming, adding insult to injury);
    • Talking about selection, did you know that, if you do any action other than selecting, the selection tool is disabled, making you press the said tool many annoying times when working in Cubasis?;
    • Cubasis mixer? Well, tsc tsc... I won't go on and talk about what's lacking: it's all about workflow, right? For my workflow, it's essential to pan the instruments precisely, but in Cubasis, it's strictly by eye, and ear - just like Garageband (which is free!);
    • A handful of other annoyances I won't care to remember.

    Yes, the interface is pretty - but that's quite subjective, right? I love the Logic-like feel of Auria Pro's GUI, so...

    I am not bashing Cubasis: that's objective criticism. As soon as Cubasis start to get developed as the mobile DAW it could (and should) be, not an expensive Cubase companion, it will get only appraisal from me (my money, they had since last sales).

  • ExAsperis99ExAsperis99

    @theconnactic said:
    Besides Cubasis costing the same as full AuriaPro, yet being thinner in features even than old-styled, audio-only Auria 2, the fact is, most claims about it having a better workflow than any version of Auria simply don't survive a reality check. Let's go:

    • If you want to zoom your tracks in Cubasis, be careful: it will only zoom horizontaly;
    • If you want to pinch-zoom Cubasis' piano roll, prepare yourself for a totally random and incovenient scroll;
    • If you want to select the notes in Cubasis' piano roll by pressing a piano roll key, like in Auria and every Desktop DAW, forget it: you'll to manually select it (possible after pinch zooming, adding insult to injury);
    • Talking about selection, did you know that, if you do any action other than selecting, the selection tool is disabled, making you press the said tool many annoying times when working in Cubasis?;
    • Cubasis mixer? Well, tsc tsc... I won't go on and talk about what's lacking: it's all about workflow, right? For my workflow, it's essential to pan the instruments precisely, but in Cubasis, it's strictly by eye, and ear - just like Garageband (which is free!);
    • A handful of other annoyances I won't care to remember.

    Yes, the interface is pretty - but that's quite subjective, right? I love the Logic-like feel of Auria Pro's GUI, so...

    I am not bashing Cubasis: that's objective criticism. As soon as Cubasis start to get developed as the mobile DAW it could (and should) be, not an expensive Cubase companion, it will get only appraisal from me (my money, they had since last sales).

    Very persuasive. I have earmarked 3 hours for the Lynda course on Auria Pro. I find it a little off-putting, and I'm annoyed at the lack of midi keyboard, but I suppose there are workarounds.

    My only hesitation: you don't pan by ear? That's weird!

  • ExAsperis99ExAsperis99

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @theconnactic said:
    Besides Cubasis costing the same as full AuriaPro, yet being thinner in features even than old-styled, audio-only Auria 2, the fact is, most claims about it having a better workflow than any version of Auria simply don't survive a reality check. Let's go:

    • If you want to zoom your tracks in Cubasis, be careful: it will only zoom horizontaly;
    • If you want to pinch-zoom Cubasis' piano roll, prepare yourself for a totally random and incovenient scroll;
    • If you want to select the notes in Cubasis' piano roll by pressing a piano roll key, like in Auria and every Desktop DAW, forget it: you'll to manually select it (possible after pinch zooming, adding insult to injury);
    • Talking about selection, did you know that, if you do any action other than selecting, the selection tool is disabled, making you press the said tool many annoying times when working in Cubasis?;
    • Cubasis mixer? Well, tsc tsc... I won't go on and talk about what's lacking: it's all about workflow, right? For my workflow, it's essential to pan the instruments precisely, but in Cubasis, it's strictly by eye, and ear - just like Garageband (which is free!);
    • A handful of other annoyances I won't care to remember.

    Yes, the interface is pretty - but that's quite subjective, right? I love the Logic-like feel of Auria Pro's GUI, so...

    I am not bashing Cubasis: that's objective criticism. As soon as Cubasis start to get developed as the mobile DAW it could (and should) be, not an expensive Cubase companion, it will get only appraisal from me (my money, they had since last sales).

    Very persuasive. I have earmarked 3 hours for the Lynda course on Auria Pro. I find it a little off-putting, and I'm annoyed at the lack of midi keyboard, but I suppose there are workarounds. I also find the zooming in Cubasis frustrating, so I'm not wedded to it, certainly.

    My only hesitation: you don't pan by ear? That's weird!

  • boone51boone51

    @theconnactic said:

    By the way, Auria has dedicated buttons for AudioCopy and AudioPaste. It would be nice IMHO if Rim ditched AudioCopy and make these buttons "To Audio Share" and "From AudioShare".

    That's brilliant imo. Please do post that to the Auria forums. Rim and Co are always listening. It's a low traffic forum, so you're sure to be heard. Here's the link.

    http://auriaapp.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19

    While it's not as deep as this forum, you'll find a treasure chest of knowledge over there too about a wide range of audio engineering tips, tricks, and other goodness. There are a lot of really talented guys who have contributed to that forum.

  • theconnactictheconnactic
    edited August 2016

    @ExAsperis99: when I know exactly which result I want, I just want to get there seamlessly. Then, I can do the fine tuning. By ear!

  • theconnactictheconnactic

    I know that forum, @boone51! And yes, will do!

  • LFSLFS
    edited August 2016

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @theconnactic said:
    - If you want to zoom your tracks in Cubasis, be careful: it will only zoom horizontaly;

    Cubasis offers both horizontal and vertical zoom in the arrange window.
    Simply perform the gestures on the track list and the arranger area and you're there.

    • If you want to pinch-zoom Cubasis' piano roll, prepare yourself for a totally random and incovenient scroll;

    Hm, I think I've mentioned it a thousand times in this forum already, maybe I go ahead and print t-shirts and hire a blimp to fly over all major cities to announce it better ... ;) ...
    The zooming behavior in Cubasis' arrange window and the editors is planned to be improved with the next update.

    Enjoy beging creative & have a splendid weekend everybody,

    Lars

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