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It must be the future because it uses more energy.
Lots of 'group think' and rolling of the dice happens at all big companies. There is tons of thin phony 'messaging' as they are just begging with bullshit for peoples money (like most of us). Also the end consumer is just this fragmented needy void of 'fix me' that they want to scrape a few bucks off of. Best not to overthink it with logic.
Business decisions.
I do hope there is some recognition of the different uses iPads have over the iPhone. While arguments can be made for space savings being needed for the components of a phone, the idea of one breakout socket for larger computers has been around long before iAnythings came into existence.
The one socket break out solution for a laptop style computer (of which the iPad is for many users) is riddled with problems for the user and only really is of benefit for areas of manufacture and design in my opinion. So while we are told we want forever thinner and lighter devices, there becomes a point where that design criteria becomes in conflict with other use criteria.
My point is that while it can be argued that many of us are coming from a purely personal and small consumer base (musicians and music dabblers), many of the points made have also been true for many other user bases. Also making points regarding ones own usage of a product is probably as justified as any other perspective. Yes, over reaction does not help discussion, yet in some ways easy to empathise with at times.
At times we react to what Apple does quite passionately. Why? Well for many users here, IOS has a monopoly for their particular music use. This monopoly means that we have to trust Apple to consider our needs, the needs of a minority.
What has this got to do with the simple loss of a headphone socket? Well, the arguments for its removal can also be made for other areas of design. What we sometimes need as people that really care for the use we gain from our devices are some assurences that design will keep many use scenarios firmly at the forefront.
Take the speakers. They sound shit. They are old technology. Outside devices would do it better. They take up lots of space. They are a weak area of the waterproof shell ideal. These same speakers are also very useful.
So, we have design areas battling each other.
Power / heat vs size.
Sockets / speakers etc vs watertight.
This is the reality, but when design steps too much on our joy of use, we have to question loudly. So while I personally don't think the loss of the headphone socket is a major problem, I would encourage people to shout loudly how they use their iDevices and not be told that you are only a minority.
Apparently they fit better:
http://www.macworld.com/article/3117706/headphones/airpods-hands-on-they-stayed-in-my-ears-and-sounded-awesome.html
Speaking of dumping the floppy disk... the first thing I did was buy a USB outboard floppy drive for about $20. And within about 6 months I wasn't using floppy disks any more.
I suspect the same will happen here. And then it will be something else.
This did give me a chuckle though;
Wait ... people have stopped using floppy disks??? I just bought some last month.
Which I guess is pretty much what Apple always does. The original 3.5inch iPhone itself was a gamble...and widely panned for being "too big" (laughable now) and not having a physical keyboard.
Not supporting the ubiquitous flash was another decision met with outrage.
A curated AppStore was panned for being too "controlling"
I'm thinking that this headphone decision is going to work out.
And the discussion is a good distraction from the current lack of Cubasis 2.0 in the AppStore. That's the true outrage for me
Apple is starting to act like Sony &_&
It was nice when apple was a small company that did its thing, but now they are so big that they can dictate all kinds of shenanigans...
When apple was small it focused on people that had demands, now they focus on joe from next door.
Not supporting Flash was a major PITA as so many sites were still using it at that time, reinforcing my personal view they make a habit of premature technological changes.
And it's easy to look back now and scoff at complaints of the floppy disk being removed, but that was nearly 20 years ago when they were still very much in use.
If wireless earphones really are better sounding than wired ones, don't cut out or crackle, DRM controls don't stop me listening to stuff, and other makers follow suit so I can use them with more than one thing then I might consider an iPhone 7. But even then at an extra £150 for the earbuds the iPhone 6 is much more attractive at this point.
I would advise anyone to beware of Apple's echo chamber, but let's not forget they have telemetry data from millions of devices and direct feedback from thousands of customers.
Jack and charging port change is not the same. There used to be 2 ports, now there's one.
You say wireless but I'm just hoping that since Bluetooth latency is currently unusable for music I hope there's a massive improvement on that front.
I agree though, they do their market research before making any move so I don't think they're risking much. Also any advertising is good advertising so all the hoo-ha only works in their favour.
Bluetooth vs wired headphones it's basically this:
charge your phone every couple of days but no cables and complete freedom of movement, not being tied to the source of the sound VS never charge your headphones but deal with a cable hanging out from your ears the whole time you're moving and doing other things having to work around this cable in every situation and never be able to stay more than a meter away from the source of the sound.
As a regular listener of music (not a pro audio user/ music maker) for me it was a revelation when I change to Bluetooth headphones/ speakers you don't even think about how much of a hassle cables are on a regular daily use until those are gone. Little things across the day improved subtly because cables are no longer there. And the trade off was just having to charge one more thing every couple of days apart from my phone/ tablet.
Audio quality and price (the main drawbacks people have with Bluetooth headphones) don't matter at all in this comparison or in the long run. Bluetooth audio quality will get better and prices will become cheaper with time, both things are happening right now. pairing Bluetooth headphones it's also starting to become a non-issue as apple Airpods show. Pro audio will come at a later date.
People sometimes doesn't mind compromises, we trade of a gigantic battery life and more resistant mobile users devices for fragile, 5-6 hours battery life devices when we switch from feature phones to smartphones because these offer access to the whole web, better email management, a music player included in our phones (no more having to carry around another device) real applications, basically a computer in our pocket. At the beginning it wasn't the best, feature phones could do some things better and for a lower price with better battery life, but smartphones were the future.
Over the years sight has always had precedence over sound, guess it's nothing new.
Easier to fool the ears than the eyes. (Insert 2$ reverb plugin) "Wow I am in a cave!"
I have no doubt that Apple could keep the 3.5mm jack and maintain the integrity of the device if they wanted to. Apple has decided that is not in their best interest. At the end of the day, Apple is a massive, publicly-traded company with varied interests who has to answer to their stake holders, as well as their customers.
The truth is: If you have decided to restrict your music making to an instrument, app, device, or platform, you have to take your medicine.
This is important. 2 ports to one.
"But guys we give you break out cables" - well personally I think it's too much 'all eggs in one basket'. I've had faulty sockets on many a computer after quite short usage. Yet that one socket will be used for everything and everything relies on its use. It's really is a bad idea to have just one socket for everything.
I don't count wireless tech until it is fit for purpose and currently Bluetooth is not fit for many purposes.
Woz is borederline retarded. > @lala said:
If I'm selling something and you buy one of them and have a complaint and there are forty million Joes next door who buys it too and love it...it's not a dick move for me to ignore you. It's good business sense.
Amen.
Most musicians have traditionally restricted their music making to one instrument.
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As I mentioned in another thread my Lightning socket is buggered - and that's just from plugging in a charger once a day. It'll get at least twice as much use if I have to use it with earphones as well.
Business decisions.
Can you direct me to one in the top 100? I love a good solo, but even Kanye isn't that smug. I'm kidding, of course.
I'm sure there are those that enjoy that type of music, but I've never been to a concert with one instrument or bought a record with one instrument.
I take it you misunderstand my comment.
Feel free to elucidate.
I sense from your comment you really know what I was saying, yet I will play for a comment or two
most musicians traditionally learn, use or play one instrument. I say most, as some learn many. Most though choose at some point to either play the keyboards or guitar or drums etc.
Using the iPad can be considered an instrument.
The initial comment suggests fault if you restrict yourself to one instrument, app, device, platform. I suggest that this is quite the norm.
That the particular instrument in question is made by one company has relevance yes, but it is not the action of restriction that is at fault. If I chose making music with a computer, yet computers were changed so I could no longer use them in the same way, that is a problem to overcome, not a reason for not using one instrument in the first place.
Your comments regarding never having been to a concert with one instrument is irrelevant to someone only using one instrument. I'm sure you know that often music has more than one person involved in its making. Yes, many make music with the sound from many instruments, especially in this age of technology. The initial comment still stands firm that traditionally most use and learn one instrument.
I am only suggesting fault insofar as one has to come to grips with and accept the consequences of the choices they have made.
i've never used my iphone 5 with an audio interface but i never got the impression it had a low quality dac.
https://www.engadget.com/2012/10/02/iphone-vs-rivals-audio-tests/
@dubwavedub said:
I assume most phones are crap compared to audio interfaces.