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Wrong person tagged (I never said that)
I think you mean @Fruitbat1919
Eek, apologies there. Foul play on my part but it was unintentional. I think that's my cue to show myself out now. Enjoy this thread gentleman. I do love talking about macaroni and cheese, but I feel like the value of my input on the topic has expired. We are still talking about mac n cheese, right?
Reminds me of that scene in pulp fiction
steve must be turning in his grave
I can't imagine he would have shipped the watch with watch os1 or 2
I think that is missing in apple now, someone militant with strong views that lets everybody dance to his whip
tim is not a product person, he sometimes even confuses them, lol, he is a profit maximization guy
That often seems to be a point missed. Instead of musicians feeling incredibly fortunate that these mass consumer devices can be exploited to our benefit, some want to take over and run Apple like it was a music hardware manufacturer. Any temporary personal inconvenience or cost as a result of Apple's striving to make progress is taken as a personal affront and blown up into a melodrama. And I think most of the loudest critics are still sticking with Apple rather than going to something they must imagine is better. In any case, you can't please all the people all the time.
Now with the 3.5 jack, nobody really knows the future, but there are good arguments for what Apple's doing. Who should we trust to know what's best for Apple's success, which is a required success for all of us using their devices? Until proven otherwise, I'll trust Apple to make the right move.
Courage!
the argument is apple can sell a waterproof camera now, and more headphones
I haven't heard a single convincing tec argument for getting rid of the headphone jack, its not like its a mess that doesn't work or delivers bad quality or "its to big" or something ...
"we do it because we want to and because we can" - and then they made up this confusing rhetorical bs story around it, Courage, hurray
in germany we describe this as "swinging your balls all by yourself"/"sich selbst die eier schaukeln" (some kind of masturbation)
huh? its just another computer ... its just as simple as that.
would you buy one without headphone jack?
I wouldn't.
but we can offer you some ugly adapters that make that design piece look like a exploded octopus wig
no thanks, I've lost enough of your adapters already.
Well, it's not like Apple threw out the baby with the bath water. You just need an adapter. This should only matter to those who like to walk around holding their latest gen iPhone is their hand.
BTW, I'm totally kidding, guys. I don't have a dog in this fight.
I remember Nokia, Sony and others companies selling millions of phones with no headphone jacks but proprietary solutions people didn't care then, people won't care now.
the thing is power isn't a separate port anymore, you plug the adapter for the headphones in and then you are left without power ...
that is a showstopper
talking about apple getting rid of ports
you may guess one time why the macbook has a headphone jack.
what did they call it?
our clearest vision of the future of computing or something
if i may refresh your memory
when nokia was around ppl still bought millions of iPods with headphone jack to listen to music, that made apple big, remember?
Bullshit. Apple knows best. Bullshit.
Not everybody had an iPod (talking about my country) i remember lots of people using their phones for listening to music those phones had proprietary headphones (I'm thinking Sony Walkman phones and others) they didn't care their headphones weren't compatible with the rest. I was a kid back then buts that what I recall.
^^
usually they are forward looking and sensible but this?
wtf?
hm, we bought that beats thing, now we need to sell headphones
anything wireless can only be slower than a cable,
but what do I know
they also killed the ethernet port on the macbook and I thought oh its getting nasty now
how the fuck to config a wifirouter without cable?
they can't do that on the pro, their own admins would kill them
but we have this fancy ethernet adapter
R U MAD?
this simplicity thing has gotten pretty complex with all the adapters, huh?
don't believe everything they try to sell you
I know, I know, if you only do facetube, email and spreadsheets (or play your little game on the phone) you won't need the adapters,
but I have a bag full of apple adapters, its really a sad joke
this isn't pro and this isn't simple, its absurdly complex for a reason they call design simplicity - it just works is different.
/rant
What happened to "The customer is allways right"?
Well, now we are apparently forced to look at "the greater good", and believe that "The Manufacturer" is allways right, knowing what's best for us. And if we tend to disagree we are considered to be ignorant, selfish and conservative.
It makes me sick.
the sad part is we have nowhere else to go
the alternatives make me go I can't use this without wanting to throw the damned thing against the wall after 5 minutes or no software in userland that agrees with me
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Just as soon as they think they can sell external charging, no doubt via an over designed Apple charging station that costs three times what it should.
I'm all for technological advancement. Love innovation. Get that sometimes old tech has to go in order to make progress. But, this business with the headphone socket is none of those things. It's about a way to squeeze even more profit, to add to the obscene levels Apple enjoy. Tim Cook is neither a visionary or an innovator, he's a businessman.
I don't even own an iPhone, finding them way too expensive and OTT for my simple needs. Yet, if this 'development' spreads to the iPad, it will make recording out more difficult for me. Sure, there are other ways, and a suitably expensive Apple converter will be made available, but it's hassle.
Apple has such vast resources, they really could innovate massively, but they'd rather monetise.
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Yes you do, get the latest 6. I'm on a 5, which I've had for over three years. The latest 6 will do for me, and in another three years time I'll see what the score is then.
I know a few people who were going to get the new one, but are now opting for the 6 or the SE (or whatever it's called). I'm guessing a lot of people will be doing the same - even non musical users won't want a dongle connection for their wired phones, and not everyone has an extra £150 for wireless.
I'm not sure who they contacted for their market research, but we're not all frappacino supping hipsters.
The argument is very clear: the future is wireless. Wires need to die. They're just speeding up the process (like they did with Flash, the Floppy, etc.)
But it is. Again: if you want the planet to move over to wireless, the last thing you should do is keep the wired solution sitting there, slowing the realization of your vision down to a snail's pace. Watch the video of Steve Jobs again (it's on the first page of this thread). It's enlightening.
Just looking beyond our own needs and wishes for a second: the number of people who care about 'audio latency' is so minuscule that no sane marketing guy (in Apple or in any other company in the world) would take it into account in his/her business decisions. Apple have a vision of making the world wireless, and it will take a much stronger argument than latency or dongle-inconvenience to make them reconsider.
Quite to the contrary: latency and such issues can be reduced by advancing DSP tech and connectivity protocols. If you want to motivate the tech industry to innovate in those areas you need a company like Apple to brute-force its way onto the market. Because without market demand tech companies will spend their R&D budget conservatively on tiny incremental innovations and the transition will take aeons.
bt audio is a consumer hell hole
if I plug the cable in it travels nearly at the speed of light, no latency, no extra batteries, no connection break ups
isnt the future supposed to be better and simpler?
and not technicaly worse, slower and involves me to look after more things (swallows time) and impractical?
if its not better its not the future - its just something worse than I have now
Agreed. And that's why the industry needs a kick in the butt and start solving those problems. They now have to because consumers will not tolerate crappy BT audio and pairing shenanigans for very long.
A year from now a lot of your concerns will be solved (thanks to Apple's 'courage'). Mark my words.
lol, yeah I know bt3 will fix it, ah well bt4 will fix it and now bt5 fill fix it ...
no it won't fix it
its just not a good idea to transmit that much realtime data over the air
ask @SecretBaseDesign about bt latency ... he knows more about that than I do ...
thats why I can't understand he is delighted, but he also happens to make wireless audio stuff (if I remember correctly) that I won't use because it has to much latency for me to play (so to me it looks like he doesn't mind the laaaatency ...)
But I don't. Wireless tech has its uses, of course, but there are many instances where hard wired solutions work best and by thier nature are always more robust and secure. An entirely wireless world is not progress, IMHO, it's turfing out perfectly good tech for no good reason. Sometimes, there is no need to reinvent the wheel.
So some kind of technological blackmail, then. Keeping customers hostages. Nice.
this
So if this is the future, how many developers will be releasing apps to make use of this new technology for a music making purpose?
forget about realtime audio stuff if you are sensitive to timing,
playback maybe ok
its just bluetooth ...
nothing earth shattering new happened, its just crazy decisions to make more profit (now we sell the phone as underwater camera and now we sell you new bt headphones) and more crazy marketing talk (insert buzzwords here) so you hopefully forget they took an important jack out of the system that works much better than what they give you now.
Im waiting for the first "girlfriend underwater in the swimming pool" videos - shot on iPhone 7" uh this must be the future
I find it interesting how people will readily buy into such ideas as 'the way forward' or whatever, as lead by companies such as Apple. They put the idea out and it works it's magic -, propagating onwards and outwards
The devices we all use here are proof, that apple does care about professionals, too. There never was a "must", to integrate low latency audio protocols etc. We don't have a choice, because other manufacturers don't give a crap about us. I also use the 3,5" in my setup, but I trust getting rid of it will open doors for better applications in the future. (I also don't have such an evil picture of Apple, I think they make an insane amount of money by serving masses of people, and they always put the money into refining their products, also for professional application). This was different before ios products, and I appreciate, that the "right" guys are making the money now... . Please don't kill me, just my my really very humble opinion, coming from a happy user.
Cheers, twobeers