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For people that might want to try android if the iPhone 7 (an apple as a whole getting rid of the headphone jack) it's a deal breaker.
Audio latency or audio settings in general are a mystery and both depend on a lot of things but here it's my setup: HTC one M8 from 2014 with android marshmallow and the free versions of igrand from ik multimedia and caustic, Midi controller connected trough an OTG cable.
It's surprisingly good, with igrand I couldn't tell no difference in latency from the iPad both on screen and with the MIDI keyboard as far as I can tell there's no way to Change the buffer size, other settings are absent as well from the android version but overall the experience was stunningly close to iOS.
with caustic the difference it's more noticeable, don't know if it's the developers fault or if it's android not been able to handle the much complex software or if my phone hardware it's not up to the challenge. in most synths the latency it's almost unnoticeable, the downside would have to be a few audio cracks, in the drum machine the latency it's noticeable, in musical terms I would say it's a sixteenth note behind my playing but overall again I was impressed by the audio capabilities of the system.
For people that use metronomes there's a few, I went for the Tempo metronome, which has an iOS equivalent, no difference in functionality there. There's also a few music theory and ear training apps of decent quality.
Wasn't able to find apps like Phase84 and ThumbJam. I think those are only available on Samsung devices that support their proprietary low latency standard (not all Samsung devices).
Amplitube requires ik multimedia proprietary audio interface (iRig UA)
There's also Music Studio, has an iOS equivalent and that was probably the worst, latency it's fine but when you try to play more than one note at time the whole app goes crazy and cracks get awful.
I found lots of professional/ semi professional music apps so it's not a wasteland like we sometimes believe but it's nowhere near as close as iOS. Latency was surprisingly good and when I connected my MIDI keyboard was very pleased to find that between the options for USB connected devices "use as a MIDI input device" was listed as an option, I selected it but I'm not completely sure what it did to improve my experience. So a switch to android it's completely doable, just get used to the idea that it will feel like going back to where iOS was back in 2010 (plus a few audio cracks) and that you just can't get any device you want.
Edit: don't even consider windows phone for music making . That's where the truly awful stuff really is. (Tried on a lumia 950) and the surface pro (3 in my case) for me feels unexciting, it's a PC. with the PC way of doing things on full effect and the touchscreen doesn't make it a new experience as iOS cause there's is almost not app to take advantage of it. But of course it's as capable as any other PC would be.
DRC Polyphonic synthesiser is on the Androids too, although funnily I haven't tried it there yet.
If those prices are in £ then you can thank Brexit for wilting the currency. Prices are the same in other currencies.
Points for 'nearly'.
Irony being that the wireless bit is actually at the speed of light.
It's the chips on either end that cause the latency. Chips are getting cheap enough that the amount of horsepower needed to do it right will be priced reasonably for embedding in the all the wireless headphones coming down the pike. Whether the W1 proves to be that chip remains to be heard. Regardless, time is nigh.
Not quite - the new earbuds are the same price in pounds, as they are in dollars. I know the pound has dropped, but it hasn't dropped that far.
Another example, the Air 2 is $399 on the US store, and an identical model £379 (including VAT) in the UK. That's £20 more than it should be, based on current rates.
Thanks for the link! I didn't even need to click that xkcd link. I already know which one 386 is, if the context wasn't already obvious enough
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Brexit is the best thing to happen in decades. Apple are just taking advantage of the adjustment period, just like Dell did, and using it as an excuse.
The effect on me, and I suspect more than a few others, is that I will not pay them more. I had been considering an iPad Pro. But the new model is still underpowered with not enough storage, now costing the same as a laptop, and more than a Surface Pro 4.
In vacuum it is
i just realized that if i get an iphone 7 i won't be able to listen to music and charge my phone at the same time (my cd player is busted so AUX is my only hope). my car is twenty years old, B.B. (before bluetooth), those silicon valley hotshots can't comprehend such a situation.
i can't get a new car because i spend all my money on music equipment.
That's why I still use my iPod classic. It has enough GB to hold all my music at a cheap cost. It still lasts longer than many phone charges. It can still be charged and play at the same time, but rarely needs to. It looks like an old piece of junk and people don't covert it
I had an MP3 player older than the ipod, 5gigs, packed with sigur ros bootlegs, and someone in Detroit did covet it, and smashed my window, and took it. Otherwise yeah I would still be using it.
I'll get a new one when they reintroduce the 3.5mm jack.
So.... never?
I've ordered a pack of floppy disks and a SCSI connector. With any lucky they should be here by the weekend. I've also ordered a Samsung Note 7 as they are the business. Who wants an iPhone 7 without headphones jack? Not me. I want faster horses and my other Nokia phone. This will teach Apple a lesson. They don't listen to me. I am the future and they want to take me back to 1984 or something. The future is old technology and I know what I'm talking about.
People are already queuing up for this iPhone 7. What fools! They say demand for it is up x4. What would have thought!
Guys, we are moving forwards. That's tech for you. Always changing.
Apple can do no wrong, go forth and update, Mac and iOS, it is the future.....
I think I'll wait a little longer.
Touché
Though if we're going to be pedantic then the rabbit hole will go quite deep.
Looking at this and that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_electricity
It would seem that radio waves are "faster" than electricity in most wires (super conductors). Now wait a sec though, why is Wi-Fi "slower" than ethernet (Just want to go on an aside that the name for wired connections containing the word ether is smirk worthy)? I looked for a succinct summary, and found my results lacking. So I'll just leave this:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/radio-waves-travel-at-speed-of-light.151920/
Which is funny, if a little sad
I could at least attempt an explanation of the difference between bandwidth and latency. My favorite analogy is that of a pipe from a water heater to a faucet. Bandwidth is how much water comes out, latency is how long it takes for the first hot water to come out. (The size of the water heater is how many GB your iPad has :P)
Now hold on, wasn't the original problem of why wireless audio is worse than wired just about latency? Well, yes and no. One way to think about it, continuing with the water analogy, is there is a bucket under the faucet, and what you're really after is a nice even flow of hot water just over the pour spout, but not the rest of the edge of the bucket.
So what is the bucket?
The amount of computation.
When you think about how something traveling at the speed of sound can beat something traveling at "the speed of light" it really highlights how much extra 'distance' the computation is taking.
Interesting. Has the spread always been this way? If not then the fact that Apple do not like to change prices mid cycle might say a lot about where they think the pound is headed vs the dollar.
If this is the dawning of low latency, reasonable bandwidth audio transmission, then midi should be no problem via BT, should it, can't wait for all those BT enabled keys, pads etc.
This is the future, but is it now?
Yeah, right...
Crossing fingers, but not holding breath
Just as an example, the Air 2 is $399 on the US store, and an identical model £379 (including VAT) in the UK.> @srcer said:
Not sure, but the guy in the store was very surprised with the scale of the increases. I seem to remember he said a standard power cable was raised from £12 to £19, which is about a 60% increase. He took me on a tour of the store, going through the price rises in an incredulous, quivery voice.
I think they will lose a lot of sales over this, and before headphonesocketgate and the price increase I was up for a 7. Now I'll either go for the SE, or make this one last a bit longer.
I wonder how can i use my Irig Lightning Midi keyboard then plugged in and also sametime use my Headphones with next Ipad models ? Thats what i enjoy to work with comfort Zone.
+1
How does wireless technology work for musicians when they are on stage, and the guitars they use have no cords connected to an amp? I know there is some kind of wireless/wave stuff going on. 20 years ago a friend of mine had this for his guitar, just like the big wigs. I never wanted to spend the money to do it.
Does this type of tech have any relation to Bluetooth? I ask, cuz I am a dummy when it comes to this kinda thing. Kinda like midi.
Here's the first reviews: https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/13/airpods-review-roundup/
Even if its sound quality and battery life are good, using siri to change the volume is ridiculous. Looks like an attempt to force users to buy an iWatch
You've added nothing to the discussion with this response, but if it made you feel better, then we'll consider it at least worthy of something.
we dont want to turn blue from the lack of oxygen.
MIDI may be ok now, didn't get a bt midi controller yet, but I am willing to. Korg and Roland are selling them already so I guess it's manageable. Korg just came up with their 2nd generation midi bt stuff ...
Thx to apple for pushing this.
For audio, meh, I want to see someone doing latency tests first.
Discretion is the mother of the porcelain box.
They didn't say what audio format and what stats it has, or did I miss this?
24/96 uncompressed pcm are a lot of bits to push.
So it won't be that.
iOS 9 itself does max 48khz (without external interface).
My guess is it will be compressed AAC?
You could just reach in to your pocket an adjust the volume, no reason to buy an Apple Watch but I agree that changing the volume with Siri has to suck...maybe not if the music doesn't stop. Still it has to be incredibly awkward while you're on a train or the bus to speak something like "hey Siri turn up the volume" out of nowhere. Maybe the future it's voice control but for the time being...
Edit: just read the review. Volume control really sucks. It's one of those apple first generation things, like the pencil. It's awesome but incomplete.
Yes, I believe the next generation will be better. For now, I'm gonna stick with my Sony SBH20 - it works with any traditional headphones, sounds great, has call, volume and music controls, and is 4x cheaper
Hm these first reviews aren't really telling, it's just impressions.
I want hard facts from real audio guys.