Apple made the right move

sirdavidabraham

@MonzoPro said:

@sirdavidabraham said:

@Igneous1 said:
I disagree. It's a high handed gamble which may (or may not) pay off.

Which I guess is pretty much what Apple always does. The original 3.5inch iPhone itself was a gamble...and widely panned for being "too big" (laughable now) and not having a physical keyboard.

Not supporting the ubiquitous flash was another decision met with outrage.

A curated AppStore was panned for being too "controlling"

I'm thinking that this headphone decision is going to work out.

And the discussion is a good distraction from the current lack of Cubasis 2.0 in the AppStore. That's the true outrage for me

Not supporting Flash was a major PITA as so many sites were still using it at that time, reinforcing my personal view they make a habit of premature technological changes.

And it's easy to look back now and scoff at complaints of the floppy disk being removed, but that was nearly 20 years ago when they were still very much in use.

If wireless earphones really are better sounding than wired ones, don't cut out or crackle, DRM controls don't stop me listening to stuff, and other makers follow suit so I can use them with more than one thing then I might consider an iPhone 7. But even then at an extra £150 for the earbuds the iPhone 6 is much more attractive at this point.

@srcer said:

@lala said:

@brambos said:

@lala said:
I haven't heard a single convincing tec argument for getting rid of the headphone jack, its not like its a mess that doesn't work or delivers bad quality or "its to big" or something ...

The argument is very clear: the future is wireless. Wires need to die. They're just speeding up the process (like they did with Flash, the Floppy, etc.)

bt audio is a consumer hell hole
if I plug the cable in it travels nearly at the speed of light, no latency, no extra batteries, no connection break ups
isnt the future supposed to be better and simpler?
and not technicaly worse, slower and involves me to look after more things (swallows time) and impractical?
if its not better its not the future - its just something worse than I have now

Points for 'nearly'.
Irony being that the wireless bit is actually at the speed of light.
It's the chips on either end that cause the latency. Chips are getting cheap enough that the amount of horsepower needed to do it right will be priced reasonably for embedding in the all the wireless headphones coming down the pike. Whether the W1 proves to be that chip remains to be heard. Regardless, time is nigh.

@mrufino1 said:
Well, I just saw an article on reuters that the iPhone 7 is sold out worldwide, so what do I know? I still don't think it's a good idea but I will fully disclose that I am not a multi billion dollar Company and have no business mind.

T-Mobile said pre-orders were 4 times higher, Sprint said something similar....looks like iPhone 7 has legs

mrufino1

T-Mobile said pre-orders were 4 times higher, Sprint said something similar....looks like iPhone 7 has legs

Yep, it has legs. But it doesnt have a headphone jack...

theconnactic

Lol!

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@mrufino1 said:
Yep, it has legs. But it doesnt have a headphone jack...

oh, là là.^^

ymmd

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I doubt anyone really thought sales would be affected of the iPhone going single socket. I do think it would speed up the slow down of iPad sales though if they do it there.

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Personally, if they wanted to be forward thinking, removal of the physical home button should have been first.

mschenkel.it

@Fruitbat1919 said:
Personally, if they wanted to be forward thinking, removal of the physical home button should have been first.

This.
Even tho I like to have some physical switch. And more on the subject I love to have a analog on/off rather than digital when everything soft related goes haywire.

u0421793

I hear they'll be removing the screen next - the glass was a deficiency, kept breaking.

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@u0421793 said:
I hear they'll be removing the screen next - the glass was a deficiency, kept breaking.

And inter app audio, you don't need it for Pokehermum Go.

Samu

Why do we even need a 'device'. Wouldn't pure implants be better with direct stimulation of all sensory organs for a mind-blowing experience

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Well I'm sure many millions don't use half the iPhone 7 or plus offers. As for cost for a phone, my last 3 cars have cost less than an iPhone 7 plus total

Now my iPad is different, it is my whole music studio and has hardly been a day without use and gets pressed hard.

Phones - give me a cheap clam shell any day haha

Samu

@Fruitbat1919 said:
Well I'm sure many millions don't use half the iPhone 7 or plus offers. As for cost for a phone, my last 3 cars have cost less than an iPhone 7 plus total

And since iPhone 7 is not available anywhere and pre-orders will ship late october/november I might as well wait for the next 10th year anniversary model as my iPhone 5 is still rocking along quite nicely

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@Samu said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
Well I'm sure many millions don't use half the iPhone 7 or plus offers. As for cost for a phone, my last 3 cars have cost less than an iPhone 7 plus total

And since iPhone 7 is not available anywhere and pre-orders will ship late october/november I might as well wait for the next 10th year anniversary model as my iPhone 5 is still rocking along quite nicely

iPhone 5's seem to be doing ok still. I know my friends 4s is really struggling now, but he at least has had a few years of good service and they were a lot cheaper back then.

I found an iPhone 5 last year. Took it to the cop shop and they have now given it back to me as no one claimed it. Can't use it though as it's locked to someone's account. So I switch it on occasionally in case the owner can trace it and come get it back. If it was not on someone's account I would use it lol

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Inside the Lightning to 3.5mm adapter

srcer

@yug said:
Inside the Lightning to 3.5mm adapter

It does have a DAC!
Text summary for the video disinclined
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/20/lightning-earpods-teardown-confirms-dac/

So does the old lightning to 30pin adapter have a DAC? I mean the 30pin port has analog audio, so either lightning supports analog passthrough or the 30pin adapter has a DAC. Googling doesn't make it conclusive that lightning doesn't do analog passthrough, but I'm beginning to suspect it doesn't, and that the 30pin adapter has had a DAC all along (the dock too for that matter). So any comparison of these DACs (what I'm really after is the quality of output of the 6s Plus 3.5mm vs the 3.5mm of the adapter used with 7 Plus)?

Edit:
found this and this
https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Lightning-to-3-5mm-jack-adapter-with-normal-headphones-provide-the-same-audio-quality-as-Lightning-headphones
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-specifications-of-the-digital-to-analog-converter-DAC-in-the-Apple-Lightning-to-3-5mm-audio-jack-adapter-cable
which both dismiss out of hand there being a DAC in the adapter, so it's controversial among the so called experts. It seems there's likely much that's misunderstood here. One shouldn't underestimate the rate at which chips are shrinking. Although the power dissipation comment is interesting, I'm sure there's a simple explanation there.

SecretBaseDesign

@srcer said:

@yug said:
Inside the Lightning to 3.5mm adapter

It does have a DAC!
Text summary for the video disinclined
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/20/lightning-earpods-teardown-confirms-dac/

So does the old lightning to 30pin adapter have a DAC? I mean the 30pin port has analog audio, so either lightning supports analog passthrough or the 30pin adapter has a DAC. Googling doesn't make it conclusive that lightning doesn't do analog passthrough, but I'm beginning to suspect it doesn't, and that the 30pin adapter has had a DAC all along (the dock too for that matter). So any comparison of these DACs (what I'm really after is the quality of output of the 6s Plus 3.5mm vs the 3.5mm of the adapter used with 7 Plus)?

Edit:
found this and this
https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Lightning-to-3-5mm-jack-adapter-with-normal-headphones-provide-the-same-audio-quality-as-Lightning-headphones
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-specifications-of-the-digital-to-analog-converter-DAC-in-the-Apple-Lightning-to-3-5mm-audio-jack-adapter-cable
which both dismiss out of hand there being a DAC in the adapter, so it's controversial among the so called experts. It seems there's likely much that's misunderstood here. One shouldn't underestimate the rate at which chips are shrinking. Although the power dissipation comment is interesting, I'm sure there's a simple explanation there.

There's got to be a DAC somewhere (the internals of the iPhone are all digital -- and it jumps to analog when you're moving the speaker cones). The jack on iOS devices didn't have a lot of shielding -- for my pitch-to-MIDI app, the headphone jack was close to useless because of the intermix of signals from audio in to audio out.

The Lightning connector transfers the audio digitally -- so you can get a clean signal wherever you want, and then convert to analog using a high quality DAC with plenty of shielding. My Apogee Jam, FocusRite, and Line 6 all sound great -- better than anything I was getting with the headphone jack.

With the old 30 pin dock -- they had analog audio out, as well as video(!), using DACs that had to be inside the phone.

http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml

srcer

@SecretBaseDesign said:

@srcer said:

@yug said:
Inside the Lightning to 3.5mm adapter

It does have a DAC!
Text summary for the video disinclined
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/20/lightning-earpods-teardown-confirms-dac/

So does the old lightning to 30pin adapter have a DAC? I mean the 30pin port has analog audio, so either lightning supports analog passthrough or the 30pin adapter has a DAC. Googling doesn't make it conclusive that lightning doesn't do analog passthrough, but I'm beginning to suspect it doesn't, and that the 30pin adapter has had a DAC all along (the dock too for that matter). So any comparison of these DACs (what I'm really after is the quality of output of the 6s Plus 3.5mm vs the 3.5mm of the adapter used with 7 Plus)?

Edit:
found this and this
https://www.quora.com/Does-the-Lightning-to-3-5mm-jack-adapter-with-normal-headphones-provide-the-same-audio-quality-as-Lightning-headphones
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-specifications-of-the-digital-to-analog-converter-DAC-in-the-Apple-Lightning-to-3-5mm-audio-jack-adapter-cable
which both dismiss out of hand there being a DAC in the adapter, so it's controversial among the so called experts. It seems there's likely much that's misunderstood here. One shouldn't underestimate the rate at which chips are shrinking. Although the power dissipation comment is interesting, I'm sure there's a simple explanation there.

There's got to be a DAC somewhere (the internals of the iPhone are all digital -- and it jumps to analog when you're moving the speaker cones). The jack on iOS devices didn't have a lot of shielding -- for my pitch-to-MIDI app, the headphone jack was close to useless because of the intermix of signals from audio in to audio out.

The Lightning connector transfers the audio digitally -- so you can get a clean signal wherever you want, and then convert to analog using a high quality DAC with plenty of shielding. My Apogee Jam, FocusRite, and Line 6 all sound great -- better than anything I was getting with the headphone jack.

With the old 30 pin dock -- they had analog audio out, as well as video(!), using DACs that had to be inside the phone.

http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml

Of course there's a DAC, the question has been whether it's in the adapter or still on the phone (of course there's one for the speakers) with pass through use of some of the lightning pins. If it's in the adapter (seems the case), how does that compare to the one that was onboard before (side question, was the DAC onboard the 6s used for jack and speakers, or were there two different DACs?)

A comment on another thread https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/269779/#Comment_269779 indicates word on the street is that the adapter DAC isn't as good as the onboard one. So it was the case that for best audio quality a 3rd party DAC was in order, now more so. As @Samu has said, this may all be for the good, since people will actually have to use an outboard DAC, they may start to see the throw in one as a throw away one.