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Production doesn't count,
it's like thanking the doctor for making the baby.
It's like a lector pointing out flaws in the story.
Eno is not perfect, but I think he's great. And I highly recommend his memoirish book, "A Year (With Swollen Appendices)." Most of it is just him musing wisely about culture and art, and it's worth reading for the bibliography alone (that's where I first learned about the artist Tom Phillips, the architect Christopher Alexander, and Stewart Brand's "How Buildings Learn"). If there's a downside, it's that it was written in the midst of preproduction for a James album, which isn't all that inspiring to read about.
That sounds good, I'll have to check that out.
On a lot of the albums he produced, Eno was a creative partner in the process. So I don't think that analogy holds up.
I love 75% of Eno's catalog and own 99%. I'm not sure if I'll purchase the app but who knows. I'm quite happy he's still putting things out in the world. Interesting article in the Rolling Stone: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/read-brian-enos-sobering-2016-recap-2017-call-to-action-w458691
If I read most comments. Please don't overrate Eno. He's just one of the persons who's popular in een certain sub-category and when talking of influence nothing compared to somebody as Michael Jackson. And talking ab0ut album+app, no problem with the pricing. If he gets enough buyers is another question.
@lala: I get that you're a provocateur, but that's just silly. I would even agree that many producers aren't worthy of their gold records. Many of them are just engineers who got promoted.
But Eno is part of the pantheon. He's one of the guys (alas, mostly guys), who was the conduit for artistic genius. Right place, right time? Maybe. But you can't deny results of Phil Spector, Neshui Ertegun, Brian Wilson, George Martin, Butch Vig, Nile Rodgers, Quincy Jones.... And Eno is right up there. After all, he has equal co-writing credit on "Remain in Light."
Would you give more credit for "Exile on Main Street" to Jimmy Miller or to Bill Wyman?
Im still waiting for someone to name those records that changed everything.
No one came up with anything.
Instead I have to read empty phrases.
Don't believe every trash you read.
And therein lies the problem. Brian Eno is an incredible musician. He's not perfect by all means, but he did revolutionise how people think about music. Music For Airports broke down many restrictions of thought of what music could be about. Reflection is a yet another gorgeous piece of generative work that soothes, relaxes, and renders a person in a blissful state of mind. But, the question posed is who's the audience for this app?
The short answer is...Brian Eno sycophants who think the earth he walks upon is sacred. In my opinion, Brian Eno must be very out of touch with reality to charge such an outrageous price for an app. Musicwise, being out of touch with reality is a good thing since you can come up with new and innovative ideas and abstractions! Moneywise, well...unlike the other musicians on synthtopia who think it's cool to diss on Eno and not give an explanation, I'll give you my personal reasoning as to why I think $39.99 is too much damn money (whether you agree or not).
Basically, we already have apps in the appstore that can do EXACTLY what Reflection can do and more. They are Mixtikl and Noatikl. Okay, okay, so those two can't automatically change how they generate sound based on the time of day which Reflection can supposedly do, and they can't make pretty pictures appear on your screen, but they will play back a neverending sonic environment. Oh yeah, and YOU get to customise what goes in and doesn't go in the sonic environment, and save the environment, and load other environments. Of course, despite those two apps being the deepest, they aren't the only ones. Fugue Machine, while not as deep as Noatikl and Mixtikl, will get some pretty great results going for ya right off the bat!
The thing is, why only visit the river (as Brian put it) when you can sit by the trees of the park, walk down the path, rest in the grotto with a cuppa you just bought at the cafe down the street? Or maybe you want to visit the frigid lands of Antarctica without getting frostbitten, or take a trip to Jupiter in your modified Kia Sportage just to fly by the giant storm into which you could easily fit three Earths? Maybe you want to fly into the storm, or just live on Mars instead and be done with it all? It's your sonic space, so why not decorate it as you see fit rather than spend $40 just to have someone else do it for you?
Before music for airports we had dada and music concrete ...
So nothing mind bending about mfa.
What changed is what music journalists thought about that,
this has nothing to do with the music.
I also don't think most ppl here have heard harmonia or cluster or Amon düül ...
Donna Summer "I feel love" changed everything. It made electronic music for the masses consumable. Video from 40 years ago says everything. TV playback performance still done with classic instruments... People where not yet ready
Well, yeah, but nobody listened to Kurt Schwitters or musique concrète.
Stockhausen is a titan, a man who heard the future. But "Revolution No. 9" blows him out of the water. "Revolution No. 9" is actually listenable. And it is probably the only sound collage to have been heard by millions (at lest the first two or three minutes).
It doesn't really matter who did it first if they didn't do it best.
This is a very good point. I love Eno's work. "Before and After Science" is in my Top 10, probably. I love the ambient work, especially the more recent with Daniel Lanois. Every Bowie, Talking Heads, U2 album he is involved with is brilliant I think.
There is no way on earth I'd buy this app. I already have Xynthesizr and Fugue Machine.
It's weird to say, but I don't think Eno gets the Internet.
The secret ingredient of every Eno record is not technology, but doo wop. Not kidding. Go back and listen to the harmonies on his early solo records. It all comes from growing up after WWII in whatever small town near a US Army base and listening to doo wop records.
I feel love is Giorgio Moroder & Pete Bellotte not eno.
And it played in every gay nightclub from ny to Moscow, it still is.
I can't listen to Stockhausen and revolution nr. 9 is the worst track on the white album.
BTW. Bowie had to record the Berlin phase with other ppl because Conny Plank turned him down, that was his first choice.
But isn't "I Feel Love" — without question one of the most influential singles of the 20th century — by Donna Summer and not ... who did you say the producer was again?
(I actually like "No. 9." "Piggies" is the worst song on the White Album.)
Don't tell me you don't know who Gorgio moroder is.
Maybe midnight express and top gun ring a bell?
Donna summer was just the black chanteuse to that sequence
Moroder said we need a Black female singer for this.
Another Green World, Music For Airports and My Life in the Bush of Ghost. Never cared much for Moroder or Michael Jackson though I have in later years grown to appreciate some MJ, just a bit too poppy for my tastes. I do like Aphex Twin.
Comrade!
Of COURSE I know who Giorgio Moroder is! Was messing with your claim above that "production doesn't count"!
I'm with you. Eno's best stuff is far and away the Kraut collaborations. He really rode them for all it was worth. In fact, when I listen to them, I struggle to hear any major Eno influence on the recordings at all. Those records actually sounded living and breathing, as opposed to the mostly sterile Eno solo environments (that piano sound, ugh).
@ExAsperis99
C'mon. That kind of production is not what eno does.
Conny Plank is my favorite producer of all time. He was such a force and all over the place on the German stuff, which happens to be my favorite sector of music ever released.
I don't know. There's always "Good Night". At least Rev. 9 is somewhat interesting.
As far as Musique Concrète is concerned, I wouldn't put it in the same category as M4A at all. Indeed, it's generally far more abrupt and jarring, when contrasted w/ Eno's work.
But I also wouldn't call Eno's latest work "experimental", either. It's a pretty tried and true formula at this juncture.
I'd be more inclined to pay $40 for a Scott Walker generative app.
And since I'm sort of bashing Eno, I will take the challenge and post one of my own tracks that I think is more satisfying than most Eno. YMMV, but I'm not afraid to be proud of the music I've been apart of.
https://open.spotify.com/track/4EpFApk6inTaloUO85Uoui
> I'd be more inclined to pay $40 for a Scott Walker generative app.
Wow, absolutely.
Although isn't "Bisch Bosch" already that??
BTW. Bowie told a very funny anecdote about I feel love,
He said eno came running over to him, saying David you have to listen to this, I just heard the future, Bowie went with him to the other room and on the record player was the I feel love 12 inch
I mentioned Cluster in my first post in this thread. As for Amon Duul, their bass player has a studio near here and was the one who recommended the iVCS3 to me.
Give me Cluster or Ash Ra Tempel over ENO any day. I like a bit of gravy on my potatoes.
I have. I find the idea that anyone would want to compare Amon Duul (either of them) to Eno ridiculous. The Cluster album that I've listened to the most is the Eno collaboration.
I'm not a huge Eno fan, love Conny Plank's work to bits and would listen to a Loscil album before digging out an Eno one. But to suggest that Eno isn't a hugely important figure in ambient and experimental music is ridiculous. I mean jesus, just the way that he constructed Discreet music has been a huge influence on so many people (delays man). Here Come the Warm Jets. Very influential album on so many interesting indie/post punk musicians. His collaboration with David Byrne? Frippertronics? I mean come on.
@MonzoPro
^^
This is like saying you don't need album X by a musician, as all you need are synthesizers and drums. And that way you can customize the lyrics, the rhythms and the melodies.
I mean sure... I guess.
I love this thread, by the way. Strong opinions, but there's respect and elasticity to the arguments. Any thread that can invoke Faust, Donna Summer, Michael Jackson, Kurt Cobain? I'm home.