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Brian Eno : Reflection

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  • mannixmannix

    @philowerx said:

    @mannix said:

    @lala said:

    @mannix said:

    @lala said:
    Don't tell me you don't know who Gorgio moroder is.
    Maybe midnight express and top gun ring a bell?
    Donna summer was just the black chanteuse to that sequence
    Moroder said we need a Black female singer for this. ;)

    Don't agree with your pov here that an singer is merely a vehicle of a producer.

    Cough, this is more or less exactly what moroder said about I feel love and Donna.
    I guess he knows how he works. ;)

    Thx, didn't know this. Still will argue that it was combination of Summer and the producers that made the song what it became. Although I have no doubt of major role producers. Also offically listened as writers of the song are: Donna Summer, Giorgio Moroder and Pete Bellotte

    Nice fact what Eno said about the song:
    According to David Bowie, then in the middle of recording of his Berlin Trilogy with Brian Eno, its impact on the genre's direction was recognized early on:

    One day in Berlin ... Eno came running in and said, "I have heard the sound of the future." ... he puts on "I Feel Love," by Donna Summer ... He said, "This is it, look no further."

    I hated that song, thankfully Eno never wrote anything like it lol!

    We talk here about influence not of personal taste. Compared to Summers/Moroders "I feel love" Eno' s influence on popmusic is nothing more then a side note

  • philowerxphilowerx
    edited January 2017

    @mannix said:

    @philowerx said:

    @mannix said:

    @lala said:

    @mannix said:

    @lala said:
    Don't tell me you don't know who Gorgio moroder is.
    Maybe midnight express and top gun ring a bell?
    Donna summer was just the black chanteuse to that sequence
    Moroder said we need a Black female singer for this. ;)

    Don't agree with your pov here that an singer is merely a vehicle of a producer.

    Cough, this is more or less exactly what moroder said about I feel love and Donna.
    I guess he knows how he works. ;)

    Thx, didn't know this. Still will argue that it was combination of Summer and the producers that made the song what it became. Although I have no doubt of major role producers. Also offically listened as writers of the song are: Donna Summer, Giorgio Moroder and Pete Bellotte

    Nice fact what Eno said about the song:
    According to David Bowie, then in the middle of recording of his Berlin Trilogy with Brian Eno, its impact on the genre's direction was recognized early on:

    One day in Berlin ... Eno came running in and said, "I have heard the sound of the future." ... he puts on "I Feel Love," by Donna Summer ... He said, "This is it, look no further."

    I hated that song, thankfully Eno never wrote anything like it lol!

    We talk here about influence not of personal taste. Compared to Summers/Moroders "I feel love" Eno' s influence on popmusic is nothing more then a side note

    This whole discussion seems to be a side note to Eno's new release. Why are we comparing the father of Ambient Music to Disco?

  • IcepulseIcepulse

    @mannix said:

    @philowerx said:

    @mannix said:

    @lala said:

    @mannix said:

    @lala said:
    Don't tell me you don't know who Gorgio moroder is.
    Maybe midnight express and top gun ring a bell?
    Donna summer was just the black chanteuse to that sequence
    Moroder said we need a Black female singer for this. ;)

    Don't agree with your pov here that an singer is merely a vehicle of a producer.

    Cough, this is more or less exactly what moroder said about I feel love and Donna.
    I guess he knows how he works. ;)

    Thx, didn't know this. Still will argue that it was combination of Summer and the producers that made the song what it became. Although I have no doubt of major role producers. Also offically listened as writers of the song are: Donna Summer, Giorgio Moroder and Pete Bellotte

    Nice fact what Eno said about the song:
    According to David Bowie, then in the middle of recording of his Berlin Trilogy with Brian Eno, its impact on the genre's direction was recognized early on:

    One day in Berlin ... Eno came running in and said, "I have heard the sound of the future." ... he puts on "I Feel Love," by Donna Summer ... He said, "This is it, look no further."

    I hated that song, thankfully Eno never wrote anything like it lol!

    We talk here about influence not of personal taste. Compared to Summers/Moroders "I feel love" Eno' s influence on popmusic is nothing more then a side note

    Who decided that Eno's influence on pop music is a bellwether for his overall importance? What was Stravinsky's influence on current pop trends?

  • Igneous1Igneous1
    edited January 2017

    @philowerx and @Icepulse (amongst others)
    Yes, good to see the topic back on-topic, there are some interesting viewpoints here.

  • philowerxphilowerx

    @Igneous1 said:
    @philowerx and @Icepulse (amongst others)
    Yes, good to see the topic back on-topic, there are some interesting viewpoints here.

    Agreed. Here's an interview with Eno on Reflection: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0872pq4

  • mannixmannix

    @Igneous1 said:
    @philowerx and @Icepulse (amongst others)
    Yes, good to see the topic back on-topic, there are some interesting viewpoints here.

    Totally Agree!
    But don't forget that this sideline discussions deliver quite interesting material and also a quote from Eno himself about Donna's I feel love:

    According to David Bowie, then in the middle of recording of his Berlin Trilogy with Brian Eno, its impact on the genre's direction was recognized early on:

    One day in Berlin ... Eno came running in and said, "I have heard the sound of the future." ... he puts on "I Feel Love," by Donna Summer ... He said, "This is it, look no further."

  • philowerxphilowerx

    @philowerx said:

    @Igneous1 said:
    @philowerx and @Icepulse (amongst others)
    Yes, good to see the topic back on-topic, there are some interesting viewpoints here.

    Agreed. Here's an interview with Eno on Reflection: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0872pq4

    Love the reference to Erik Satie.

  • philowerxphilowerx

    @philowerx said:

    @philowerx said:

    @Igneous1 said:
    @philowerx and @Icepulse (amongst others)
    Yes, good to see the topic back on-topic, there are some interesting viewpoints here.

    Agreed. Here's an interview with Eno on Reflection: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0872pq4

    Love the reference to Erik Satie. My father used to play recordings of the Gymnopédies on Sunday afternoons or any time he wished for some quiet time. So beautiful.

  • philowerxphilowerx

    @philowerx said:

    @philowerx said:

    @philowerx said:

    @Igneous1 said:
    @philowerx and @Icepulse (amongst others)
    Yes, good to see the topic back on-topic, there are some interesting viewpoints here.

    Agreed. Here's an interview with Eno on Reflection: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0872pq4

    Love the reference to Erik Satie. My father used to play recordings of the Gymnopédies on Sunday afternoons or any time he wished for some quiet time. So beautiful.

    Around 43 minutes in the interview Eno is relating the origin of Music For Airports as a reaction to the bad German Disco music he was forced to listen to while spending several hours waiting at Cologne Bonn Airport in Germany mid '70's.

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    At the end of the day, I'm cool with Eno as long as he doesn't talk on his records.

  • philowerxphilowerx

    I do love his singing.

  • IcepulseIcepulse

    @oat_phipps said:
    At the end of the day, I'm cool with Eno as long as he doesn't talk on his records.

    I'm cool with him talking, as long as he doesn't say "at the end of the day". ;)

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    @Icepulse said:

    @oat_phipps said:
    At the end of the day, I'm cool with Eno as long as he doesn't talk on his records.

    I'm cool with him talking, as long as he doesn't say "at the end of the day". ;)

    Guilty as charged. I forgot to throw in a couple needless "apparently''s, too.

  • JesJes

    Great thread !
    A few observations ;
    My Life in the Bush of Ghosts was groundbreaking and a seminal work (to me.).
    Eno was a hugely interesting and influential artist (to me ) in the 1970s and 80s.
    In the future there is no doubt that he will be viewed as an important figure in musical history.
    Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy is my fave of his works.
    Music for Airports and the early Sony Walkmans were made for each other .
    How else could one stay sane in Bombay airport in the mid 80s.
    It's up to you if you think his new app is worth getting or not.
    Lots of people buy fabfilters galore without blinking.
    Personally, I don't need or want it.
    So called Generative apps are too fixed in my (limited) experience.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @Jes said:
    Great thread !
    A few observations ;
    My Life in the Bush of Ghosts was groundbreaking and a seminal work (to me.).
    Eno was a hugely interesting and influential artist (to me ) in the 1970s and 80s.
    In the future there is no doubt that he will be viewed as an important figure in musical history.
    Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy is my fave of his works.
    Music for Airports and the early Sony Walkmans were made for each other .
    How else could one stay sane in Bombay airport in the mid 80s.
    It's up to you if you think his new app is worth getting or not.
    Lots of people buy fabfilters galore without blinking.
    Personally, I don't need or want it.
    So called Generative apps are too fixed in my (limited) experience.

    Agree with most of that. And the palliative value of the Gymnopédies @philowerx....

  • philowerxphilowerx
    edited January 2017

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Jes said:
    Great thread !
    A few observations ;
    My Life in the Bush of Ghosts was groundbreaking and a seminal work (to me.).
    Eno was a hugely interesting and influential artist (to me ) in the 1970s and 80s.
    In the future there is no doubt that he will be viewed as an important figure in musical history.
    Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy is my fave of his works.
    Music for Airports and the early Sony Walkmans were made for each other .
    How else could one stay sane in Bombay airport in the mid 80s.
    It's up to you if you think his new app is worth getting or not.
    Lots of people buy fabfilters galore without blinking.
    Personally, I don't need or want it.
    So called Generative apps are too fixed in my (limited) experience.

    Agree with most of that. And the palliative value of the Gymnopédies @philowerx....

    We had a similar experience. I found Eno through my love of Bowie. I was 17 and Young Americans was on heavy rotation on my 8 track in my Volkswagen Beetle. Station to Station and The Man Who Fell to Earth released. Low followed and those synth pieces really grabbed my attention. When I was younger my father would play Walter/Wendy Carlos and Isao Tomita. Synthesizer music something I enjoyed immensely. I recognized Eno's name, picked up Discreet Music and set my turntable to repeat all night. I found a copy of Taking Tiger Mountain and was amazed at the diversity of Eno's palate. It was difficult to find in rural a North East Texas but I quickly found every Eno related work I could find. I know in this day and age with the vast resources we have available it's difficult to comprehend how otherworldly these sounds were from what was available on the then relatively independent radio stations. Very strange, very beautiful.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @philowerx I had an older cousin (just a year or two) who was Bowie as a Young American (to look at). OD'd shortly thereafter and is forever since in my mind wearing that blue suit. Poor kid. Or all the foregoing it was 'Bush/ghosts' that blew my doors off. Still does truth be told. I don't care who do what or how it was done, just that it exists.

    As for North East Texas and so forth, I don't miss the time of nothing, but there are ways I can persuade myself I do...

  • philowerxphilowerx

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    @philowerx I had an older cousin (just a year or two) who was Bowie as a Young American (to look at). OD'd shortly thereafter and is forever since in my mind wearing that blue suit. Poor kid. Or all the foregoing it was 'Bush/ghosts' that blew my doors off. Still does truth be told. I don't care who do what or how it was done, just that it exists.

    As for North East Texas and so forth, I don't miss the time of nothing, but there are ways I can persuade myself I do...

    Yes, My Life in the Bush of Ghost changed everything. '81 In Austin I remember going from one blissed out party to another when it released. I'd never seen otherwise normal looking people moving with such abandon. What a beautiful sight to be.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited January 2017

    Guys if you want to get back to topic you need to talk about the boring stuff, because the new album is that Muzak stuff again, it's so boring you can read a book to it without being distracted.
    If it wasn't so boring they could have just played the app for 2 hours on BBC as world premiere. ;)
    Yes it's that elevator music again.
    Wisely Jarvis played a potpourri of enos and other stuff so people don't fall asleep in front of the radio or switch the channel.
    Deal with it.
    Forget about eno and the kraut rockers.
    Let's talk about the cultural importance of elevator music. :#
    Maybe that isn't the right choice of words, easy listening is more exciting than that soft pling pling. ;)
    Yawn with me, äh eno.
    You really need to be stoned as hell to find that exciting.
    If I turn on ivcs3 and turn on the accelerometer and let it run in the background while I'm reading this it produces more exiting stuff than enos latest work. Discuss that.
    He is completely out of touch with here and now.
    To bad nobody told him before the release.
    Some things better just stay in the drawer, so you don't make a fool out of yourself.
    Im not surprised warp released it, they thought it's eno, it will sell.

  • philowerxphilowerx

    Children learn through play. http://speakola.com/arts/brian-eno-john-peel-lecture-2015

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    God, I miss john peel.

  • philowerxphilowerx
    edited January 2017

    We find joy in strange places.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited January 2017

    Let's see where the so called innovator of ambient music stole
    "Reflection is the latest work in a long series. It started (as far as record releases are concerned) with Discreet Music in 1975 ( – or did it start with the first Fripp and Eno album in 1973?Or did it start with the first original piece of music I ever made, at Ipswich Art School in 1965 – recordings of a metal lampshade slowed down to half and quarter speed, all overlaid?)

    Cough, not original at all
    It's Delia Derbyshires Green lampshade ;)
    Can't tell me an British art student had not heard about that.
    It's such an iconic thing in sounddesign.
    Published 67

  • philowerxphilowerx

    We do learn behaviors from those who came before us. Creativity is mutation. Delia was an unsung hero for such a long time. I'm happy she's finally getting the recognition she deserves.

  • u0421793u0421793

    @philowerx said:
    We do learn behaviors from those who came before us. Creativity is mutation. Delia was an unsung hero for such a long time. I'm happy she's finally getting the recognition she deserves.

    http://www.factmag.com/2016/11/28/electronic-pioneer-doctor-who-composer-delia-derbyshire-road-named/

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited January 2017

    This is not available now, to bad its really great and bitter sweet
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007jvh7

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited January 2017


    This is one of the most beautiful pieces of music I ever heard
    (Original not available on YouTube)
    Beethoven 9. 4 movement by Wendy Carlos / Rachel elkind
    The orchestra versions are so boring, but that vocoder WOW!

    Bowie used it as the intro outro for the last ziggy stardust show
    BTW. I'm still waiting for a decent vocoder with all the trimmings on iOS, what's around are only those childish versions, bah
    I need to be able to use anything as input and carrier and switch bands up, state saving, and Lfos for the Filters, link, blah blah
    Come on guys, this is not rocket science

  • philowerxphilowerx
    edited January 2017

    @lala said:

    This is one of the most beautiful pieces of music I ever heard
    (Original not available on YouTube)
    Beethoven 9. 4 movement by Wendy Carlos / Rachel elkind
    The orchestra versions are so boring, but that vocoder WOW!

    Bowie used it as the intro outro for the last ziggy stardust show
    BTW. I'm still waiting for a decent vocoder with all the trimmings on iOS, what's around are only those childish versions, bah
    I need to be able to use anything as input and carrier and switch bands up, state saving, and Lfos for the Filters, link, blah blah
    Come on guys, this is not rocket science

    Though I have great respect for her work I much prefer Tomita to Carlos. Attempts to synthesize existing physical instruments always sounds so very flat to my ears. Tomita's synthesis was more interpretive his playing style more fluid.

  • encenc

    Haven't read the last couple of pages do not sure whether we love or hate eno... regardless, he's on Jeremy vines radio 2 show any minute now ...

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