Namm 2017 predictions

Will

@Matthew said:
Another outlandish never gonna happen one from me. Sonic Research Turbo Tuner for iOS. I've tried to get along using iStrobosoft and stuff like that, but they jump around so much they are practically unusable.

Have you tried Total Energy Tuner?

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@syrupcore said:

@kobamoto said:

what could it be

I actually wonder if that's about the MPC. Seemed like it was all British, all "electronic music". I know MPCs were (are?) popular with that world but the lack of American hip hop heads makes me wonder if they have something else coming out.

They has also the touch 2 (standalone).
https://macprovid.vo.llnwd.net/o43/hub/media/1001/12911/anatomy.jpg

Details at:
https://ask.audio/articles/new-standalone-akai-mpc-live-details-leaked-by-us-government

Icepulse

@5pinlink said:
It is puzzling that people are proclaiming these new Akais as a way to get away from the computer workflow, when they are designed to mimic the computer workflow entirely, but with a much smaller screen.
Don't get me wrong, i think they look like great bits of equipment, but they are not a huge leap away from a computer.

If the Touch one is true, it'll have a Rechargable battery... And I can do this...

Big difference from being teathered to a laptop and needing a wall wart.

Icepulse

@5pinlink said:
You have missed my point though, a lot of people are saying that it gets them away from the computer workflow, they small one is just a very small computer workflow with hardware controller, like i said, don't get me wrong, i am jonesing for one more than anybody

So is any old standalone MPC. Just w/ older, more limited OS's. It's not like those were mechanical, and didn't require a program to run.

No, the big difference is the portability, and lack of necessity for an external power source to run.

Icepulse

@Icepulse said:

@5pinlink said:
You have missed my point though, a lot of people are saying that it gets them away from the computer workflow, they small one is just a very small computer workflow with hardware controller, like i said, don't get me wrong, i am jonesing for one more than anybody

So is any old standalone MPC. Just w/ older, more limited OS's. It's not like those were mechanical, and didn't require a program to run.

No, the big difference is the portability, and lack of necessity for an external power source to run.

And the workflow on the touchscreen was quite unique vs. using the software on the computer screen.

kobamoto

@5pinlink said:
It is puzzling that people are proclaiming these new Akais as a way to get away from the computer workflow, when they are designed to mimic the computer workflow entirely, but with a much smaller screen.
Don't get me wrong, i think they look like great bits of equipment, but they are not a huge leap away from a computer.

an iPad is a computer, but it doesn't feel anything like my macbook, and mpcs don't feel anything like either of them

Icepulse

@kobamoto said:

@5pinlink said:
It is puzzling that people are proclaiming these new Akais as a way to get away from the computer workflow, when they are designed to mimic the computer workflow entirely, but with a much smaller screen.
Don't get me wrong, i think they look like great bits of equipment, but they are not a huge leap away from a computer.

an iPad is a computer, but it doesn't feel anything like my macbook, and mpcs don't feel anything like either of them

But they're all computers.

Will

@Icepulse said:

@kobamoto said:

@5pinlink said:
It is puzzling that people are proclaiming these new Akais as a way to get away from the computer workflow, when they are designed to mimic the computer workflow entirely, but with a much smaller screen.
Don't get me wrong, i think they look like great bits of equipment, but they are not a huge leap away from a computer.

an iPad is a computer, but it doesn't feel anything like my macbook, and mpcs don't feel anything like either of them

But they're all computers.

Right. So was the MPC60.

Icepulse

@syrupcore said:

@Icepulse said:

@kobamoto said:

@5pinlink said:
It is puzzling that people are proclaiming these new Akais as a way to get away from the computer workflow, when they are designed to mimic the computer workflow entirely, but with a much smaller screen.
Don't get me wrong, i think they look like great bits of equipment, but they are not a huge leap away from a computer.

an iPad is a computer, but it doesn't feel anything like my macbook, and mpcs don't feel anything like either of them

But they're all computers.

Right. So was the MPC60.

Yep.

chimp_spanner

@Dubbylabby said:

Meanwhile...
https://static.roland.com/assets/images/products/gallery/m_10mx_angle_gal.jpg
https://www.roland.com/us/products/m-10mx/

Damn, where can you get these? They're discontinued and I can't find any on eBay. Would be perfect for my little Volca rig!

AndyPlankton

@5pinlink said:
You are missing the point entirely.
These standalones run the 'desktop software' no previous standalone MPC ever did that, so that is nothing you can compare, I am talking purely about workflow, there is no app on the iPad that is the same as the desktop, so again, can't be compared.
These are very literally computers inside of the controller, with a small monitor.
Again, i am not trying to say this is a bad thing, but I don't see how this can be said to have a different workflow to the same controller with a computer, this is what some people are claiming.
Again, to be clear, I am talking about workflow and not the portable nature of these devices.

Like i say, i very much want one of these, but not because it is going to allow some different workflow, but because they are portable versions of the desktop software.

I guess the point could be stretched...and workflow could be stretched to include setup and teardown.......in which case these all in ones do affect the workflow as there is little or no setup or teardown.....

If your own definition of workflow does not include setup and teardown, then yes these have little affect on that as you are doing the same things as you would with separate devices.

Icepulse

@5pinlink said:
You are missing the point entirely.
These standalones run the 'desktop software' no previous standalone MPC ever did that, so that is nothing you can compare, I am talking purely about workflow, there is no app on the iPad that is the same as the desktop, so again, can't be compared.
These are very literally computers inside of the controller, with a small monitor.
Again, i am not trying to say this is a bad thing, but I don't see how this can be said to have a different workflow to the same controller with a computer, this is what some people are claiming.
Again, to be clear, I am talking about workflow and not the portable nature of these devices.

Like i say, i very much want one of these, but not because it is going to allow some different workflow, but because they are portable versions of the desktop software.

Ever work on an MPC Touch?

Icepulse

@5pinlink said:
I had MPC Studio, I sold it last week, but yes i have used MPC Touch, and rumour is that MPC Live works exactly the same way, do you have extra info ?

No, but it's safe to say that the workflow and navigation is distinct to that device, so if they maintain 2.0 w/ a win based OS, it's still "hardware", just as much as any previous standalone MPC.

u0421793

Workflow in my opinion is overrated (and that's coming from someone who wrote a lot about the goodies workflow can bring, in my dissertation, back then when I believed everything).

Risking deviating toward a different tangent, I don't know how many of you are web designers, but from my perspective the whole of the past five years have witnessed the process of painfully self-fisting the world of web dev unto itself. When I got into web design, it was easy. Later when I was teaching it, it was easy. Now, it isn't. Coming back to web dev after teaching it is like landing on a different planet. So many frameworks, so many names for things, so many ingredients, all chained together, all dependencies, all there to make your workflow easier to the point that without all of them, there's no flow of work at all. Newbies simply can't get in, and experienced people stand back in confusion. It's all a complicated mess.

The reason, in my opinion? Workflow. Once you stack a few stages together and rely on complex macro-processing to make your work more, well, complex, you can't remember how you did it the next day, so you automate it. Then you automate the automation, then some bright spark creates a program or utility that makes that easier, so you rely on that, and then automate the reliance on that, and someone builds that into a framework, and , well, you get the picture, and so on. All to make workflow easier (or at least, by then, remotely possible).

The point is, and possibly returning back to the script of this thread, if you're unfamiliar with it all (and everyone no matter how experienced they get will be faced with this unfamiliarity if you wait a while) you simply can't get any work done at all, never mind making it 'flow'. For a lot of people, workflow features are a hindrance.

Icepulse

@u0421793 said:
Workflow in my opinion is overrated (and that's coming from someone who wrote a lot about the goodies workflow can bring, in my dissertation, back then when I believed everything).

Risking deviating toward a different tangent, I don't know how many of you are web designers, but from my perspective the whole of the past five years have witnessed the process of painfully self-fisting the world of web dev unto itself. When I got into web design, it was easy. Later when I was teaching it, it was easy. Now, it isn't. Coming back to web dev after teaching it is like landing on a different planet. So many frameworks, so many names for things, so many ingredients, all chained together, all dependencies, all there to make your workflow easier to the point that without all of them, there's no flow of work at all. Newbies simply can't get in, and experienced people stand back in confusion. It's all a complicated mess.

The reason, in my opinion? Workflow. Once you stack a few stages together and rely on complex macro-processing to make your work more, well, complex, you can't remember how you did it the next day, so you automate it. Then you automate the automation, then some bright spark creates a program or utility that makes that easier, so you rely on that, and then automate the reliance on that, and someone builds that into a framework, and , well, you get the picture, and so on. All to make workflow easier (or at least, by then, remotely possible).

The point is, and possibly returning back to the script of this thread, if you're unfamiliar with it all (and everyone no matter how experienced they get will be faced with this unfamiliarity if you wait a while) you simply can't get any work done at all, never mind making it 'flow'. For a lot of people, workflow features are a hindrance.

I think "workflow" merely implies the manner in which you approach mastering your tools. It's why, for me, working w/ an OP-1 is infinitely preferable to working w/ a DAW. Pixel hunting, and mousing around is a motivation killer. Like Chess, a dedicated hardware workstation is limited in terms of "moves", but forces creative workarounds to arrive at infinitely elegant victories. My hands are a blur on the OP-1, and it's the simplified set of tools that allow me to turn it on and have something worth listening to, inside of 1 minute.

Icepulse

@5pinlink said:
OK, I shall leave you to it, you have entirely misunderstood the point i was making, I apologise.

No need to apologize, but at the same time, I'd be more inclined to suggest that you haven't presented your point clearly, rather than to say I "misunderstood" you.

kobamoto

yep, I think the issue is in how we individually define workflow.... cause that's all I'm talking about, all mpcs don't even feel like each other, a monome and an launchpad don't feel the same, maschine and the mpc don't feel the same etc.... all guitars don't feel the same that's why guitarist have a gang of'em..... if the new mpc felt like a windows pc they would not have made it.

Icepulse

@5pinlink said:
I better had explain more clearly i think.

Computer + MPC Touch
Is exactly the same as
MPC Live
MPC Live is an MPC touch with processing built in to run the V2 MPC software that also runs on a computer with an MPC Touch.
These two ways of working are exactly the same, if you do not need to go mobile, then there will be zero difference, in fact when you don't need to be mobile the MPC Live even turns directly in to an MPC Touch and plugs in to your desktop, the way they work is exactly the same.
But the MPC Live can be taken with you easily.
I obviously used the word workflow entirely wrong, I think it is exciting to be able to have the full desktop MPC experience but with the processing directly inside the controller.

Now I get u. I'm looking forward to the 2.0 experience, because up until now, the MPC Touch did require you to do certain things on the computer, like the initial save, and assigning q-link parameters. Also, navigating directories on the Touch was FAR from optimal. If 2.0 corrects those things, then yes. For me, however, I like being able to take the device with me, and leave the wall wart at home. So the Live will be a big plus.

Will

@Icepulse said:

@5pinlink said:
I better had explain more clearly i think.

Computer + MPC Touch
Is exactly the same as
MPC Live
MPC Live is an MPC touch with processing built in to run the V2 MPC software that also runs on a computer with an MPC Touch.
These two ways of working are exactly the same, if you do not need to go mobile, then there will be zero difference, in fact when you don't need to be mobile the MPC Live even turns directly in to an MPC Touch and plugs in to your desktop, the way they work is exactly the same.
But the MPC Live can be taken with you easily.
I obviously used the word workflow entirely wrong, I think it is exciting to be able to have the full desktop MPC experience but with the processing directly inside the controller.

Now I get u. I'm looking forward to the 2.0 experience, because up until now, the MPC Touch did require you to do certain things on the computer, like the initial save, and assigning q-link parameters. Also, navigating directories on the Touch was FAR from optimal. If 2.0 corrects those things, then yes. For me, however, I like being able to take the device with me, and leave the wall wart at home. So the Live will be a big plus.

I have a feeling working that kind of stuff out for the full hardware experience is part of the delay in 2.0.

When I think of stand alone hardware vs desktop software there are certain things I'm willing to "just accept" that are particular to each platform. I don't expect file naming and searching (etc) to be easy on hardware but when it gets that way on the desktop I want to throw the computer. Similarly, software requires some set up (closing other apps, configuring IO, menuing around for the 'new track' button...) and I accept that as a part of the experience whereas I expect hardware to 'just work'. The MPC Live has to nail the 'just works' hardware part for me to remain interested. Boot time is going to count too! I really don't want to give ol Bastard Jack my money anyway but damn.

As an example... I bought a used Roland VS2480 last year hoping that it would get me back to the simplicity/speed of hardware recording. Instead, it has all of the overhead trappings desktop software (and, to be fair, many of the features) and all the config/routing/setup/etc has to be done via a relatively small screen. Roland offered monitor and mouse support but at that point.... Plus, its boot time was 3-4 minutes. Deal breaker. Might as well use much more powerful software and a controller. Sitting on a shelf. Glad it was cheap. Rant over. Here's to hoping AKAI gets it right (including sending Roger Linn a slice!).

nrgb

New monitors from ADAM Audio.

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@syrupcore

AndyPlankton

@Dubbylabby said:
@syrupcore

That should be shared at every available opportunity

kobamoto

lol

[Deleted User]

@AndyPlankton said:

@Dubbylabby said:
@syrupcore

That should be shared at every available opportunity

I do it anytime it fits I can.

kobamoto

the fact that you're not familiar with the mpcs features, and that you don't seem to like it make your fixation with this video all the more entertaining.

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@kobamoto said:
the fact that you're not familiar with the mpcs features, and that you don't seem to like it make your fixation with this video all the more entertaining.

The fact you biase your opinion from something that you still has not touch meanwhile I repair them (mpc1000 and so) and know about embed development... makes your opinion even more silly.

Try again.

kobamoto

the fact that you repair them but don't know how they work is just a tad bit funnier
the majority of the features I listed are in the 1000, so either you knew and pretended to not know, or didn't know... either way I don't care. I had seen your post about the units here and on other forums and just thought it was strange but now I understand what's happening.... thanks for the conversation.

[Deleted User]

It's not about how they work, it's about how do YOU (and uberfans) use it (calling it workflow) but still not aswer (but troll) any chance to discover 'what's so cool" about a machine which has been a Frankestein (faulty data encoders, fluffy pads, cheap buttons and firmware so ALL)... today. 10 years ago it made sense (before Ableton live or Maschine) but today, what's the "mojo"?

Still not answer but biased (and hyped) opinions based only in "legendary workflow" (when the legendary was Mpc60 and it has nothing to do with a Reinassence+nuc package.)

Then try to argue without arguments and making ad hominem falacy which has boomerang results @kobamoto.

You got served.

Will

@Dubbylabby said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Dubbylabby said:
@syrupcore

That should be shared at every available opportunity

I do it anytime it fits I can.

me too! I actually asked Synthhead at synthtopia to include it in the footer of any article pertaining to an MPC. Never got a reply.

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