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TROUBLEMAKER 1.2, now with 64 step sequencer

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  • @brambos said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Thesys on ios refuses to behave and drifts a bit out of time even when using midi link sync hence
    the frustration. plus its midi export requires you to plugin to a pc so its practically useless unless in my
    studio. atleast the pc version lets me drag and drop directly into my daw.... troublemaker however has led
    to a ton of usefull clips exported into audioshare. even if the only thing you added was scale lock and 64 steps i
    would be immensely happy.

    I see. I have a certain roadmap in mind of where I want to go with my apps in general, but this is useful input/feedback.

    Thanks for clarifying!

    to further clarify modstep lets me import midi clips from audioshare so i can quickly import a bunch of the midi clips and jam with my volcas :)

  • edited January 2017

    The major (unexpected) leap for me that Troublemaker presented by also working as IAA was usability on iPhone. Definitely a lot more enjoyable to use on a small screen this way. Troublemaker's UX is very well done to suit an iPhone screen too, I love how it has two overlapping layers that transition so effortlessly.

  • @brambos said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    Thesys on ios refuses to behave and drifts a bit out of time even when using midi link sync hence
    the frustration. plus its midi export requires you to plugin to a pc so its practically useless unless in my
    studio. atleast the pc version lets me drag and drop directly into my daw.... troublemaker however has led
    to a ton of usefull clips exported into audioshare. even if the only thing you added was scale lock and 64 steps i
    would be immensely happy.

    I see. I have a certain roadmap in mind of where I want to go with my apps in general, but this is useful input/feedback.

    Thanks for clarifying!

    I'm having an unbelievable amount of fun too, making patterns in Troublemaker and exporting to Modstep or Aleph Looper. This 'rapid fire' MIDI export is a really nice workflow that I'd never really touched on before, perfectly suited to these kind of clip based sequences. I'm not really aching for more steps personally as I love the simple nature of it myself especially as I can work in interesting ways between Troublemaker and Modstep (although 20/24 could be interesting for 5 and 6 time). I can definitely see the value in it however, and a possible alternative that stays nicely in touch with the theme could be some kind of 'song mode' that allows patterns to lead on from each other. The trailer could be amended to brag about how patterns can be constructed while remaining synced to a MIDI clock ;)

    I would however, kill or die for a fine tune dial. It's the only thing keeping Viking synth loaded on my machine.. as good as Viking is, I enjoy Troublemaker for performance more in every possible way! (apart from being able to be played in tune in my usual contexts of performance)

  • edited January 2017

    @brambos said:
    Ok got it. And although personally I'm still firmly in the "Audio Units + DAW" camp, I can see the fun in jamming with Link enabled apps. But I think I'll never get used to all the tedious task switching between standalone apps on iOS.

    By the way, all the slide and accent voodoo magic is built into the Audio Unit part of Troublemaker. There's nothing magical going on in the sequencer. It's 100% clean standard MIDI.

    If you want to trigger a slide, simply use overlapping notes. And accents are triggered if you send a note with a velocity value > 100. It's the AU engine that interprets the MIDI data, translates it into control voltage, and then makes it sound like a certain analog synth.

    So in theory, any sequencer that lets you overlap notes and control velocity can pull it off.

    I also prefer that (Audio Units + DAW), but, as Gonekrazy said, we can have multiple ipads.
    I personally use 3 !
    Each of them running Modstep, then from each Modstep, synths are controlled by midi. Each of them runs AUM, so each of them can be controlled with IAA Start/stop, (and also by fact handling Link...), and Modstep also catch the IAA clock to redistribute to midi clock chain.

    From an external controller, I've got one button to push to run the 3 Modstep at the same time, in sync, launching all other type of sync.
    I also have 3 other midi buttons to launch each IAA Start/stop from AUM individually.

    Each Modstep control one type of synths ( one control drums, one control synths & bass, one control effects and voices, and also is the master mixer for all of them.

    I prefer to use the clips from Modstep most of times, but in the case of troublemaker, it's really about gigging live that I'm interested in...

  • Great learning about your workflows. Some power user stuff going on there B)

  • edited January 2017

    I would like either 64 steps in the sequencer or pattern chaining (either would do) for these reasons.

    1. Avoid app switching to troublemaker to switch clips when jamming live and to reduce pattern switching in TM to get Question/Answer type phrasing
    2. Enable export of longer patterns as it is not easy to stitch together individual MIDI files in the loop based apps (ModStep/Infinite Looper), you have to import separately and then copy paste between clips.
    3. Enable audio export on longer patterns, this removes the need to go via MIDI export/copy paste in ModStep, playback MIDI and record audio. With a longer pattern I could just export audio straight to Launchpad/blocs wave

    :)

    I setup my NanoKontrol2 with Troublemaker last night and it works really well....I have the eight faders as the 8 main rotary controls, the top row of rotaries as the smaller ones in TM...and then have mapped the transport / track select etc to the different waveforms. Total control of the synth with no need to switch to the app.....would be really nice with longer patterns when jamming ;)

    Also @brambos I hope your roadmap is set for 2 more major releases followed by 3 minor updates to that last release.......v 3.0.3 :D

  • @AndyPlankton said:
    I would like either 64 steps in the sequencer or pattern chaining (either would do) for these reasons.

    1. Avoid app switching to troublemaker to switch clips when jamming live and to reduce pattern switching in TM to get Question/Answer type phrasing
    2. Enable export of longer patterns as it is not easy to stitch together individual MIDI files in the loop based apps (ModStep/Infinite Looper), you have to import separately and then copy paste between clips.
    3. Enable audio export on longer patterns, this removes the need to go via MIDI export/copy paste in ModStep, playback MIDI and record audio. With a longer pattern I could just export audio straight to Launchpad/blocs wave

    :)

    I setup my NanoKontrol2 with Troublemaker last night and it works really well....I have the eight faders as the 8 main rotary controls, the top row of rotaries as the smaller ones in TM...and then have mapped the transport / track select etc to the different waveforms. Total control of the synth with no need to switch to the app.....would be really nice with longer patterns when jamming ;)

    Also @brambos I hope your roadmap is set for 2 more major releases followed by 3 minor updates to that last release.......v 3.0.3 :D

    All of this.

  • I tried 3 times to leave feedback and it didn't work.

  • @5pinlink said:

    I see no reviews for it on itunes though, is there a bug in itunes at the minute or something, i posted one ages ago.

    is it because the update came out ? Needs new reviews ?

  • activating notes is still fiddly. i have to concentrate and be super careful so i don't nudge a c into a c# for example. scales would at least make these accidents happier. still should have a long press or something to move.

  • @wim said:
    Mutate is awesome! I've found myself just spacing out for long periods with nothing more than a drum groove and a lightly mutating pattern going.

    On thought would be an additional "skip note" probability. That would totally take it over the top.

    Skip Note Probability now also in there (v.1.1.3). Also all mutation features are now controllable via MIDI CC (#40-#43).

    User manual is now fully up to date again.

    Have fun!

  • @brambos is a monster!

  • @vpich said:
    activating notes is still fiddly. i have to concentrate and be super careful so i don't nudge a c into a c# for example. scales would at least make these accidents happier. still should have a long press or something to move.

    Fully agree...

  • edited January 2017

    @brambos said:

    @wim said:
    Mutate is awesome! I've found myself just spacing out for long periods with nothing more than a drum groove and a lightly mutating pattern going.

    On thought would be an additional "skip note" probability. That would totally take it over the top.

    Skip Note Probability now also in there (v.1.1.3). Also all mutation features are now controllable via MIDI CC (#40-#43).

    User manual is now fully up to date again.

    Have fun!

    Thanks.... .....

    I'm hooked..

    :)

  • @brambos said:

    @wim said:
    Mutate is awesome! I've found myself just spacing out for long periods with nothing more than a drum groove and a lightly mutating pattern going.

    On thought would be an additional "skip note" probability. That would totally take it over the top.

    Skip Note Probability now also in there (v.1.1.3). Also all mutation features are now controllable via MIDI CC (#40-#43).

    User manual is now fully up to date again.

    Have fun!

    Daaaammmmnnnn! You are absolutely unbelievable! You need to stop now because I'm seriously starting to sound like a lunatic in my App Store reviews.

  • Skip step is huge

  • Hummm ... sorry @brambos, but I don't think skip step is working. I created a straight 8 note pattern and set various probabilities for skipped notes. Nothing changes.

  • @wim said:
    Hummm ... sorry @brambos, but I don't think skip step is working. I created a straight 8 note pattern and set various probabilities for skipped notes. Nothing changes.

    Seems to be working here. Or at least I can hear change(s) when introduced etc. (Pro/latest)

  • @wim said:
    Hummm ... sorry @brambos, but I don't think skip step is working. I created a straight 8 note pattern and set various probabilities for skipped notes. Nothing changes.

    Did you update to 1.1.3? What device are you using?

  • It seems that my interpretation of what "skip step" meant differs from the design. I thought skipping a step would mean simply that the note at that position would not sound, but the step would remain, creating a "gap" in the sound.

    But if I now understand correctly, what it means is the step is left out altogether, effectively shifting the pattern. In that respect, it is working as designed. Sorry for the confusion.

  • @wim said:
    It seems that my interpretation of what "skip step" meant differs from the design. I thought skipping a step would mean simply that the note at that position would not sound, but the step would remain, creating a "gap" in the sound.

    I would actually find this more useful

    But if I now understand correctly, what it means is the step is left out altogether, effectively shifting the pattern. In that respect, it is working as designed. Sorry for the confusion.

  • @wim said:
    It seems that my interpretation of what "skip step" meant differs from the design. I thought skipping a step would mean simply that the note at that position would not sound, but the step would remain, creating a "gap" in the sound.

    But if I now understand correctly, what it means is the step is left out altogether, effectively shifting the pattern. In that respect, it is working as designed. Sorry for the confusion.

    Would still like a big STOP WHERE YOU ARE ARE RIGHT NOW button....I seem to modulate etc, hear something fabulous but by the time I've got to getting the setting back to zero it's already changed....maybe missing something obvious?

  • Midi learn please! Not every controller is remappable!

  • edited January 2017

    @Philippe said:
    Midi learn please! Not every controller is remappable!

    They should be. That's what Midi controllers are for. :-)

    But either way, it's technically tricky in Troublemaker to do that (not impossible, but also not worth the effort) because of how cc are internally mapped 1-1 to AU parameters.

    Seriously, midi controllers are supposed to be flexible to fit in any midi setup.

  • edited January 2017

    @brambos said:

    @Philippe said:
    Midi learn please! Not every controller is remappable!

    They should be. That's what Midi controllers are for.

    I think Philippe is saying that not every physical controller is remappable so can't be used with the standalone app. not that its not usable with the AU.

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @brambos said:

    @Philippe said:
    Midi learn please! Not every controller is remappable!

    They should be. That's what Midi controllers are for.

    I think Philippe is saying that not every physical controller is remappable so can't be used with the standalone app. not that its not usable with the AU.

    Exactly, thanks!

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:

    I think Philippe is saying that not every physical controller is remappable so can't be used with the standalone app. not that its not usable with the AU.

    Exactly, thanks!

    Right, but even in the standalone app it's actually running the plugin. The standalone app is a small AU host which is made to host just one plugin. Within the plugin the CC codes are mapped to AU parameters with the same address. The AU parameters are leading in the AU code. So decoupling them is a bit tricky.

  • Nevermind! Just figured that AUM can do the trick! Thanks anyway :)

  • @Philippe said:
    Nevermind! Just figured that AUM can do the trick! Thanks anyway :)

    AUM is pure gold :smiley:

  • Just a thought I had while driving in this morning.....

    If the IAA app were able to load without Troublemaker hosted but a Control surface version instead....and it sent MIDI out, you could load Troublemaker instances in your DAW and still use the IAA sequencer / Synth controls to control that instance.....it would also allow you to record MIDI of manually switched patterns or mutations.....

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