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@JohnnyGoodyear Thanks and maybe (I know you've suggested it before) we could all have a bash at this. Something to think about. Ta for those writing tips. I like the sound of where you're going with twisting the pace/message around and that appeals to me. I'll leave that for you word meister, and your biro. Can't steal too much this week. I totally agree, slow is a challenge. But I ain't gunna get anywhere further by playing safe. Never have. I'm in. I await a pm to see what I've got. Exciting.
I found this article helped me to have a basic understanding of what I should be doing to my small singing space. Don't have the cash or knowledge for most (all) of their tips but covering reflective surfaces (not all) definitely made a difference. Especially the desk top and window. The good old "Clap test" was a time saver in finding the most suitable room/space at home to start. Of course, as usual, the final decision was made by Missus Punk. So me and the Rode mic share the dog house.
http://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/room-improvement
@petermcclard - Very nice instruments! Original composition (to my ears). But the lyrics are crap.......haha, only joking.....bit out of character joke for me.....proves the vulnerability of positivity. It is easy to be negative, so a positive message is very welcome. Great positivity, is my opinion of the lyrics. We could have an argument about a detail, you said something like : leave the past behind, and look at the future. I disagree a bit there, look at/experience the beautiful now, is better in my opinion. Only the now is real. But thats a detail critisism, and not even completely true, cause when you are stuck in the past it is good advice to look at positive things that might happen in the future, in a way exploring the potential of the now. The overall positivity of the lyrics I like, and the main words/theme 'focus on the love' is a great message. It is all spoken with commitment on top of a very nice playful tune!! Preach on!
@Bluepunk how do you find the experience of singing in an acoustically dead space? Personally I really hate it, I much prefer singing in a reverberant room, even if it's technically worse for recording.
I find dead sounding rooms extremely difficult to sing in.
I love it now Richard. Took me a while to get used to it. What I found is because it's dead, I seem to push harder. It kinda forces me too. Over emphasising the delivery, the length of certain words and even letters within those words. That last song I did, the only effects that I added (after singing it completely dead, free of any effects) was a dash of EQ to promote what I thought was may natural voice tone and a splash of Cubasis stock reverb. And I mean a splash. Hardy touched it. That's it. Sorry a tickle of compression as well. But I do get where you are coming from and if it wasn't for a very kind and persistent person from this Club, I wouldn't have known to even give it a go. It felt uncomfortable to begin with, but that in itself, for my crap, is a good place to be, to get into the right frame of mind before assault.
I presume your mentor was @LostBoy85, he uses similar high-tech room damping (i.e. a duvet, or his car) as a vocal booth.
FWIW, my instinct about singing for the vast majority of the very few of us who do it (or record it) is that we simply don't do enough of it. When I was a lad (oops), if you wanted to record something you probably booked a local place to go into and a paid a pound a track an hour (or whatever). Comparatively (for us anyway) it wasn't cheap and as a result we spent weeks before hand in grotty rehearsal spaces thrashing out the one or two tunes we wanted to record over and over and over again in the hope that we wouldn't waste our time/money once we turned up to record. Now, more often than not, I'm still fiddling with the timing of the lyrics when I hit record and rarely sing the whole thing through more than two or three times. Yeah, I know, asked and answered....
@JohnnyGoodyear I try and practice singing and guitar every day, for at least 30 minutes but preferably an hour. There is the odd day when this isn't possible because of work but generally I do manage on average 6 days a week. It sometimes is a battle finding the time, but you know, don't break the chain and all that.
When recording a SOTMC entry I record about around 8 takes of each section (each verse, chorus, middle eight) and use the best version of each. A big advantage of recording at home is that you can really take your time and come back to it if it doesn't go well the first time.
But of course this is SOTMC which means by necessity we are recording something new every month, so there is only limited time to rehearse each time.
@richardyot great introduction and catchy chorus. Lots of interesting things going on musically but in some parts, particularly the bridge the mix was a bit muddy for me. You might want to try panning some of the parts to the extreme left and right to create space for the other sounds. The vocals definitely sounded more natural especially in the verses.
Sorry to but in. 8 takes! Of each section! Time for rehearsals! I need to locate that colouring book I had for Christmas. I'm gunna become an animator.
I think @JohnnyGoodyear is onto something here. These days one does not need to play a song all the way through (even once) in order to record it. Call me old fashioned but I don't call it a progress. Of course not everybody plays guitar/piano/ocarina as a realtime backing for their singing but if that's the case then that should be the priority (playing the whole song). Even more so if there is a possibility of having guitar and vocal tracks captured simultaneously.
This, not for the sake of showing off to your family at Christmas (could be a target) but to improve once musicianship, concentration, dynamics, stamina. There is a reason why many bands try and record songs in one take. Of course in the times of early Beatles and Stones the equipment was lacking but the main reason was to capture THAT energy. These days most of us end up making Frankenstein music. This is great but often leads to focus getting lost on attention to detail as opposed to the meaning of the whole thing.
It is known that after so many takes it is better to take a day off rather than banging that thing home. When saturation sets in, the objectivity along with physical ability and freshness to perform well fly out of the window. Followed by self confidence.
I've noticed that since I started singing for a living something's changed (for the better). It is definitely a muscle thing. It is that coordination between breathing, shapes of oral cavity etc. and the interaction between them gets more natural. I think also experimenting with different pitches, timbres, falsettos etc. helps freeing up the voice.
I'm not a good singer by any means but by doing it all the time certain functions become automatic so when singing a song I can focus on higher things.
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@supadom when I practice I play songs (both covers and my own) all the way through. But recording SOTMC I can say with 100% certainty that I will get better results by recording multiple takes of each section and choosing the best performances therein.
And to be fair even in the 60s this is exactly what everyone did in the studio. Bands may well have recorded the whole song in one take, but there were always overdubs later - especially for vocals. The Beatles may have recorded their first album in a day, but that was an exception because of the budget they had. It doesn't mean that Please Please Me is a better album than Abbey Road
But it's an interesting discussion, and I agree that emotion (rather than energy) should trump all else in music. And of course an authentic performance is probably more likely to contain that emotion as opposed to a more contrived process - but it's a balancing act and not necessarily a cut-and-dried thing.
As for playing and singing together - it's by far my preferred option for actual performance, and I sing better when I'm playing - not sure why, but I seem to feel it more. Trouble is it's a bitch to record and mix, especially as I have a relatively quiet voice and I hit the guitar like a hammer (I'm sure my technique will improve in time), so sadly it's not practical for more polished recordings, although it's fine for demos.
And of course that discipline of daily practice, playing and singing together, is what (slowly over time) improves overall musicianship. Rhythm, pitch, feel, and songwriting all improve gradually. And actually performing is way more satisfying than noodling on a screen. Of all the creative activities that I've pursued singing is by far the most plain joyful (for me, if not for my long-suffering family).
@richardyot
I cannot claim to have a toca sana solution to everyone's problems but to only highlight what was beneficial in my journey. If you find what you're doing is working for you then I'm absolutely delighted to hear it.
All I can say, and I'm by no means the first, is that practice makes perfect better.
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Emotion IS energy.
I think we're all saying the same thing on those points.
Agreed. And especially in the voice, as far as the average listener is concerned (and I add the modifier to mollify musicians everywhere
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@richardyot . Thanks very much for the careful listen and generous feedback. So much of what I do is by intuition and feel, but I appreciate your analytical thinking about song structure and content
@Marcel. Thanks for listening. Singing is not a realm I've entered yet. In addition to reservations about my voice, I've not invested in any equipment. Alas I don't own a mic.
@marliess. Thanks for listening mate. Re: vocal samples – the ones you mentioned come from an educational film released by the Physical Science Study Committee in 1960.
Lately I've been sampling a lot from old films on Archive.org.
@Bluepunk . I thought I saw a comment somewhere about Z3ta but couldn't track it down. Z3ta is a deep beast and I hope I didn't send you down a rabbit hole.
AFAIK the ios version of z3ta is very similar to the VST version of Z3ta 2. There are many tutorials online. This series looks pretty good:
@gburks . I really dug the way you staged the vocal samples. They were nicely chosen and there were points where you sequenced them so that there was a cacophony of voices. Much like the media. The juxtaposition of a somewhat upbeat tune against this dark subject created a weird kind of tension.
@richardyot. This tune took me back to another place and time. I really enjoyed the way the melodic instruments were washed in reverb. I always struggle with that kind of reverb at the mixing stage. A minor niggle (completely subjective of course) was that there were points where the bass sounded a bit faint in the mix. Your voice conjures up images of Ray Davies. Great back story on how you came up with the tune.
@Bluepunk - "Opera" haha!
Good song! Like the punky vibe. Thanks for explaining the lyrics. Puts the lyrics in the right perspective. Good production!
And you're right about the F this and that, the shame and the language. It gives me some breathing room/space, thanks for the F it angle! F IT, just practising 
I am not quite there, as I didn't wrote the 'uck'. FUCK IT! Yes I am learning now 
Singing in my own language is a good suggestion. Thanks for listening and for your kind feedback.
And about your feedback to my song: hahaha!
@theconnactic - Nice one! All instruments are really good recorded! And mixed and played, etc, its sounds very good! An improvement might be to alter the main theme a bit more and longer, you did alter it with a bass riff somewhere, but my preference would be a part where the main acoustic guitar plays some different chords, a catchy melodic chorus could really ad to the feel of the track (...easy to say...not so easy to do). Just thinking aloud now: perhaps change it to 4/4 in the chorus part with some jazzy chords...or would a time signature change sound weird...it could have a letting go/loosening/freeing impact/feel. Nevertheless I like it as it is and it sounds great.
@gburks - Alternative Facts, yeh
Good theme to write a song about. Funny theme but its a bit weird fun cause if thats the kind of people that are in charge... Your song: good production! Not my fav style of music but it sounds good and I enjoyed listening to it. Good choice of vocal samples.
@richardyot - Yeh......I mean about hearing melodies away from the instrument...thats a good thing! I know what you mean by that, I have had the experience myself, but always forget them...complete arrangements....it is something we perhaps can pay more attention to in ourselves. They are just there...somewhere...just open up inside to hear them.
Now about your track. I like the vibe! Dark and weird atmosphere in the back...nice, i like it! And the melody is not bad. Very nice break halfway!! The mix and mastering is good. Vocals good in the mix!
About your feedback to my song - thanks for your kind words and the constructive critisism. My vocals in my song sound not so good, I know. I am just not that good in recording vocals. I am thinking about recording them in my bathroom, and with less effects, can add them later if I want. I did make an alternative vocal mix in my song, but undecided if it is better.
@Marcel hey cool tune . Id like to hear I little less delay on vox. Sounds cool vocal drive sounds awesome but sounds like you burried it purposely ... I think if u take delay offff and turn up db it b awesome
@Bluepunk . Great production buddy this is the best ive heard from you I think you broke thru a great wall and had an eye opening moment cause everything sounds awesome. I love the fact that you didnt overcrowed and spaced everything out perfect . Awesome mix. Really I think youve found your sweet spot
You guys are really thoughtful and helpful. Very much enjoy the respectful and helpful vibe of these SOTM threads! Can't wait for Feb.
Yep. Good points all around. Out of all this cerebral strain from reading your post I completely forgot to smile
@richardyot I think youve done established your sound. This tune is cool I love the break at about 150 . About the vox they sound cool. I wouldnt change em one bit for this song. Experimenting is what makes a song
You are a star. Thank you for your time putting those up. It's a beast alright. This'll be fun. You can send me down as many rabbit holes (mole holes if you'd prefer, I'm not fussy) because love to explore. And the threat that i may not be able to get out intact or even alive, appeals.
Thanks again.
Yes, sorry. Welcome back Marcel. Also neglected to give you huge credit for singing in a foreign tongue. Kudos. Thanks for your positive comments.
There you go
You've sussed out where that word could come in handy in the future. In my case. Now. I've fucked the plumbing up. Slight leak down here at the Roxy Club. My fault. Pipes n joins all over the place. Not a clue what I'm doing. Back to your songs. Now that you've had a very brief introduction into some "other" words (but they are, aren't they? Just words?) there could be an opportunity to sing your next song in your language, interspersed with the odd Fuck. I think it could be cute. Polluted your mind enough already though. Back to the mess. Before I do, here's an extra special "Cwtch" heading over your way. If it's too tight, uncomfortable, tell it to fuck off. 
Just like I'm about to say to this spanner!
And coming from a talent such as yourself, that is a massive compliment. Thanks so much. This one clicked. Thanks also for your earlier comments. Hope things are all settled for you now. If that place you visited was anything like the one down here at the swamps, then I'd imagine not too much fun. But, channelled in the right (any art ) way, then some good, honest, memorable tunes/stories may come from these experiences.
Some of it yes
Ah, the good old days but I've given up on him. Obviously got through to Boot Camp. If he appears singing alongside Sinitta in the live shows, I think he should hand his membership card back in, our boss. 
I will keep pushing this thread to the top. Those commission rates you offered me for recruitment are much more than at work, so I will just sit here all day.... posting crap. As usual.
With all the chat about punk, swearing, recording and lots of learning a lot this month (thanks) thought this could be apt. Before I throw this album in the bin @ecamburn here's what that other tip sounded like. I'm chuffed that the lyrics roll across the screen because it threw up some interesting things. Tongue in cheek from me.
For @Marcel 0.35 - 0.40. (Fuck em)
For @petermcclard 0.41 - 0.50. (Love you).
For some of us, maybe? 1.08. - 1.12. (Tick)
For @JohnnyGoodyear 1.20 - 1.22. (Memoirs. Tick tock).
For @trackedout 1.44 - 1.48. (You'll get it).
For @richardyot 2.10 - 2.20. (Practice).
For my wife 2.33 - 2.36
All of us. 2.50 - 2.55. (Keep pushing.....hard).
For uncle Frank Carter, I'd suggest this song title of "Modern Ruin" says it all. Have you seen his posh new specs? The bin is far to pleasant a place for disposal. Gunna burn it. Slowly.
Hope I did this correctly. Apologies if not. Just tell me to fuck off. See you all next months lovers.
Gotta go. Ship/docked/baccy/Maudey off with tonsillitis. Rearrange!