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Song of the Month Club - January 2017

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  • richardyotrichardyot

    I've updated the SoundCloud. This month's playlist:

  • JRSIVJRSIV

    @gburks said:
    Its been a long time since I've posted here. Stepped away from iOS and into Ableton Live for several months.

    Here is a track inspired by the upside-down sense of truth all over the news this weekend:

    The new news about Korg Gadget coming to Mac got me inspired to open it up again. This was composed in Gadget, midi exported to Ableton Live, sequencing hardware synths: Korg minilogue, Moog MG-1, Roland Juno-106. And my "sampled material" was played from iPhone directly to Mac over USB. That's convenient, need to use that feature more. Fun workflow composing in Gadget and mixing down through hardware.

    Well, if you saw my one or two posts in the thankfully absent as of now political threads the AB forum has had, I am an unashamed Liberal Democrat, so I loved the samples and thought they were dropped in at effective points in the track.

    But I was struck more with the groove and the very ear wormy melody. I could hear this track in a video game, especially one that's a throwback to the 16-bit SNES/Genesis era. I don't know if you dig the whole chiptune/video game soundtrack thing but man you are very talented at it.

    Very cool stuff.

  • JRSIVJRSIV

    @richardyot said:
    My entry for the month, will catch up on feedback shortly.

    A couple of notes, I had the bright idea of recording the vocals in the bathroom to get some natural reverb, it certainly worked but was quite hard to tame in the mix. I compress my vocals aggressively so that also really brings up the sound of the room. Not sure I'll do that again... Also I think I can finally post a vocal that hasn't been pitch-fixed at all and it sounds in tune (to my ears anyway, tell me if it's not).

    The track is a bit of a mess as I'm not really sure what sound I'm grasping for. One day I will find it.

    The vocal melody came to me on the street in North London on New Year's Eve, had to stop on the spot and sing it into my phone in front of random passers-by before I forgot it. Doesn't mean it's any good, but I think I write better melodies away from the instrument or iPad. Then I try and fit music and harmony around them, which I'm getting OK at. Seems to work better for me than writing music first, for now anyway.

    Rich I listened twice, eyes closed. Man,you wrote a great song and recorded it well. Congrats.

    I abhor Auto-Tune & think it's killed so much of the soul out of music. Glad to hear you sing and have a natural, double tracked vox chorus effect happening that was a tool tons of cats used to & still use. I love double tracked vocals.

    I think you're like I was for awhile early on when I started. I played drums, guitar & bass and wrote songs but didn't think of myself as a singer. Luckily I met some people & musician friends who were encouraging and took time to teach me the technical side of singing. I thought it was either someone could sing great or they couldn't. But using that logic it's like first picking up a guitar, trying to play it and giving up after 2 minutes.

    The voice is an instrument just like any other so technique, practice and confidence is all part of it; that took me a few years to truly grasp. So my only criticism is let your confidence grow and develop your conception of what your style is, because you have a very good voice, the timbre & tone is cool.

    Going into the second chorus the swirling echoes and the bathroom reverb gave the track a very ethereal vibe, really cool.

  • JRSIVJRSIV

    @richardyot said:
    @Jocphone (and others) thanks for the feedback. Melodyne has been pretty useful to me in that it allowed me to write and record a lot of songs while I was learning all aspects of the craft. Still much to do of course but I'm glad to have made so much progress with the singing. Still need to work the lower register, I think it's a question of finding the nice tone and resonance, because I can hit the notes but the timbre isn't great.

    The thing that has really helped me recently is to focus on where the voice is resonating, and I find when I do that I seem to hit the notes without really trying. So when singing high notes I focus on the part of my face where the main resonance occurs, with low notes the focus is in my chest, and in between it's my throat. Seems to work for me. Singing teachers on YouTube are always talking about head voice and chest voice, and becoming aware of where the voice is resonating has definitely helped me.

    The feedback in the background is just another of my endless experiments in search of an original sound, I know I haven't found it yet but I keep trying.

    Absolutely Richard. I had a lady who was a fantastic singer give me like a masterclass one afternoon and it was game changing. She'd demonstrate the resonate areas of the head, mouth & nose by making me do these weird Jim Carrey, Robin Williams type noises and voices, talking real nasally. It broke open the dam like 'Oh...now I get it'.

    I went back & listened to McCartney, Sting, Lindsey Buckingham of Fleetwood Mac, Elton, Prince, etc all these legends and could now hear their different vowel resonants and "pockets" as she called them. The "head voice" made sense as now I could see how manipulating where my tongue was, how open my jaw was, etc changed the tone and how the "chest voice" was about breath control and the diaphragm, getting the wind to belt & sustain notes.

    Don't mean to go on & on but you're always helping the members & setting up the SOTMC, always an asset to the community, so I just wanted to let you know you ARE a singer & to keep at it man.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @JRSIV said:

    @richardyot said:
    @Jocphone (and others) thanks for the feedback. Melodyne has been pretty useful to me in that it allowed me to write and record a lot of songs while I was learning all aspects of the craft. Still much to do of course but I'm glad to have made so much progress with the singing. Still need to work the lower register, I think it's a question of finding the nice tone and resonance, because I can hit the notes but the timbre isn't great.

    The thing that has really helped me recently is to focus on where the voice is resonating, and I find when I do that I seem to hit the notes without really trying. So when singing high notes I focus on the part of my face where the main resonance occurs, with low notes the focus is in my chest, and in between it's my throat. Seems to work for me. Singing teachers on YouTube are always talking about head voice and chest voice, and becoming aware of where the voice is resonating has definitely helped me.

    The feedback in the background is just another of my endless experiments in search of an original sound, I know I haven't found it yet but I keep trying.

    Absolutely Richard. I had a lady who was a fantastic singer give me like a masterclass one afternoon and it was game changing. She'd demonstrate the resonate areas of the head, mouth & nose by making me do these weird Jim Carrey, Robin Williams type noises and voices, talking real nasally. It broke open the dam like 'Oh...now I get it'.

    I went back & listened to McCartney, Sting, Lindsey Buckingham of Fleetwood Mac, Elton, Prince, etc all these legends and could now hear their different vowel resonants and "pockets" as she called them. The "head voice" made sense as now I could see how manipulating where my tongue was, how open my jaw was, etc changed the tone and how the "chest voice" was about breath control and the diaphragm, getting the wind to belt & sustain notes.

    Don't mean to go on & on but you're always helping the members & setting up the SOTMC, always an asset to the community, so I just wanted to let you know you ARE a singer & to keep at it man.

    Nicely done.

  • richardyotrichardyot

    @JRSIV said:

    @richardyot said:
    @Jocphone (and others) thanks for the feedback. Melodyne has been pretty useful to me in that it allowed me to write and record a lot of songs while I was learning all aspects of the craft. Still much to do of course but I'm glad to have made so much progress with the singing. Still need to work the lower register, I think it's a question of finding the nice tone and resonance, because I can hit the notes but the timbre isn't great.

    The thing that has really helped me recently is to focus on where the voice is resonating, and I find when I do that I seem to hit the notes without really trying. So when singing high notes I focus on the part of my face where the main resonance occurs, with low notes the focus is in my chest, and in between it's my throat. Seems to work for me. Singing teachers on YouTube are always talking about head voice and chest voice, and becoming aware of where the voice is resonating has definitely helped me.

    The feedback in the background is just another of my endless experiments in search of an original sound, I know I haven't found it yet but I keep trying.

    Absolutely Richard. I had a lady who was a fantastic singer give me like a masterclass one afternoon and it was game changing. She'd demonstrate the resonate areas of the head, mouth & nose by making me do these weird Jim Carrey, Robin Williams type noises and voices, talking real nasally. It broke open the dam like 'Oh...now I get it'.

    I went back & listened to McCartney, Sting, Lindsey Buckingham of Fleetwood Mac, Elton, Prince, etc all these legends and could now hear their different vowel resonants and "pockets" as she called them. The "head voice" made sense as now I could see how manipulating where my tongue was, how open my jaw was, etc changed the tone and how the "chest voice" was about breath control and the diaphragm, getting the wind to belt & sustain notes.

    Don't mean to go on & on but you're always helping the members & setting up the SOTMC, always an asset to the community, so I just wanted to let you know you ARE a singer & to keep at it man.

    Thanks for the encouragement and the kind words. SOTMC has been a great exercise in many ways, and it's been a real pleasure watching everyone's progress as well as my own. Quite a few members seem to have jumped in to singing rather effortlessly, @JohnnyGoodyear, @Bluepunk, @crouchie etc just all happen to have great voices without having to put much effort in, whereas for me it's been a much slower process but it's been rewarding making progress over the last couple of years.

    SOTMC is two years old, this is the 24th thread. It's been really amazing seeing this little community within a community grow together, and watching the very real progress that all the regular posters have made. I think @JohnnyGoodyear and I are the only contributors who have never missed a month, but the main thing is we have written 24 songs each in two years, and that is invaluable. In my case only 2 or 3 of those songs are really any good, but I know for a fact that without SOTMC I would have nothing to show for the last couple of years. You need to dive for a lot of oysters to find one pearl.

  • BluepunkBluepunk

    @JRSIV Thank you for sharing the vocal tips. The head and chest voice is something I will try now. Very interesting. Can't wait to give them both a go. Thanks again. :)

  • richardyotrichardyot
    edited January 2017

    @Bluepunk said:
    @JRSIV Thank you for sharing the vocal tips. The head and chest voice is something I will try now. Very interesting. Can't wait to give them both a go. Thanks again. :)

    This video is what made it click for me, in case that helps. The presenter is a bit annoying, but if you get over that the crucial info for me was that as the pitch of the tune goes up, the resonance moves up your face. So what I do is simply concentrate on where the resonance should be coming from (ie my chest, my throat, or my face, and which part of my face) - so by visualising the sweet spot for the resonance the singing is in tune almost by default. This means I don't strain for high notes for example, I open my face and relax into them, if that makes sense.

  • BluepunkBluepunk

    @richardyot said:

    @Bluepunk said:
    @JRSIV Thank you for sharing the vocal tips. The head and chest voice is something I will try now. Very interesting. Can't wait to give them both a go. Thanks again. :)

    This video is what made it click for me, in case that helps. The presenter is a bit annoying, but if you get over that the crucial info for me was that as the pitch of the tune goes up, the resonance moves up your face. So what I do is simply concentrate on where the resonance should be coming from (ie my chest, my throat, or my face, and which part of my face) - so by visualising the sweet spot for the resonance the singing is in tune almost by default. This means I don't strain for high notes for example, I open my face and relax into them, if that makes sense.

    Thanks for posting this. Blown away by it. Didn't know/understand any of these gems of information. It was enlightening for me because even the basics like sharp and flat are terms that I've heard but never had the urge to find out what they mean. It's the years of tub thumping and not caring a damn about anything musical. Another aspect that hit me was "Space." Creating it inside of you, ready for the, whatever is next. All very technical to my dumbness. Can see the importance of practicing now. That's where I fall down. No practice. Song to sing, 1 hour to do it in, where's the time to rehearse? I will find it.
    Thanks Richard. Enjoying this month at the Club. So much to ingest and take forward. Brilliant. :)

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    Forza The Club etc.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    Further thoughts on this matter might be the collecting together or listing songs that are a good test (not ridiculous, but doable) or work out for singing. A perhaps not obvious one (for those of us who are not American, as well as for some Americans also) might be the Star Spangled Banner. Lots of in and out and ups and downs. Might even consider doing a cover, Marvin Gaye did.

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